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  1. After rereading Sunlit Man and hearing about the grand apparatus, I started thinking about what Canticle could actually be. I'm not speculating what it's for in this post, but it started that way. When I got to the part where Nomad realizes that the planet is sucking up the sun's investiture, I had a sudden thought that I think has some merit as a theory. Could Canticle be awakened somehow? The transfer of heat on Canticle seems to only work for things that are "alive" and it has to be done with specific intent when something without a conscience is involved. So my theory is that the planet is able to drain the sun's investiture by using the same method that the beconites and whatnot use to transfer heat, and it can do this because it was awakened for that intent. I looked to see if there were any WoBs that deconfirmed this or if anyone had made a similar theory but I couldn't find anything, so if you have any feedback that would be appreciated.
  2. So at this point we pretty much know that Nightblood's connection to Ruin is that the command of "destroy evil" is an innately ruinous command. This connection to Ruin is what causes Nightblood to bleed black, Ruin's color. This is also likely what occurred with the machine in Yumi, which also had destructive tendencies with blackness oozing out of it. My question is this: How does that connect to Midnight Essence? Does it connect to it, or is it just a color coincidence? We know that Midnight Essence uses some degree of corruption of investiture, but that isn't exactly ruinous. In fact, a lot of what we see with Midnight Essence seems to be more close to Cultivation or Preservation than Ruin. They are built upon mimicry and adapting, and are not inherently destructive. Is there a connection to be made, or are they just weirdly similar?
  3. So Hoid can't hurt people, or seemingly even animals. But what about these things. I figure he still wouldn't be able to hurt Returned, since they still have a normal soul, and I suspect awakened objects would be fine, he can likely harm objects, and just because they are invested with a command likely wouldn't stop that, and I would expect the same would be true for lifeless, but it's a bit harder to say, but they are called "lifeless" after all. But type 4 biochromatic entities is a tricky case. They aren't alive in the way normal things are, but they are definitely sentient. (Also Nightblood is basically invincible but this is hypothetical)
  4. Random thought, might be worth asking for a WoB. Can Nightblood break Commands, particularly of a Lifeless?
  5. TLDR version, Most of Nightblood's initial investiture was from Ruin (but actually Harmony), rather than Endowment. There's a few wob's that I'm looking at here. First, there's a wob that Nightblood started out with more investiture than 1000 breaths would account for, then there's a wob that Nightblood is connected to Ruin in some way. The third wob stated that Harmony had to do something with Ruin's extra investiture to keep it in balance with Preservation. The final wob related is that Nightblood has been to more worlds than Roshar and Nalthis. So my theory is that Nightblood wasn't actually created on Nalthis, but on Scadrial. We know (from yet another wob) that Vasher and Shashara were worldhoppers before creating Nightblood, so it isn't impossible that they'd been to Scadrial. One reason they might have tried to make Nightblood on Scadrial is that they might have belived that (incorrectly) that the metal on Scadrial contained investiture. Harmony knew that he had too much of Ruin's investiture, and had to get rid of some, so helped invest nightblood (probably without them realizing) while it was being created. A possible reason for him to do this would be his shardic future sight. The most popular cosmere timelines don't quite fit this theory, but I wasn't able to find any wob that actually ruled out my crazy theory. Maybe I missed a wob somewhere, or a line in warbreaker that disproves my theory, or maybe I misunderstood something, but if I'm not, this theory accounts for the mystery of Nightblood's extra investiture, and Harmony's missing investiture.
  6. So, I've noticed a lot of Nghtblood-centric threads on this forum (as there well should be, given that Nightblood is the singular most Invested object in the Cosmere and one of the most unique), and it got me thinking about how it works and what it really is. After leafing through some other theories and looking through the Arcanum, I think I have an idea. So, a quick refresher on how Nightblood was created: So, Nightblood is an Awakened Steel sword with the Command "Destroy Evil" Now, take a look at this WoB: Nightblood, a regular Steel sword that was mined, smelted, alloyed, and forged on Nalthis, and then imbued with Breaths, which is Endowment Investiture, has Ruin's Investiture in it. Why? Well, my theory is as follows: The Breaths in Nightblood were given a Command, which became the sword's Intent: "Destroy Evil". And what happened when this Command was given to Nightblood? Does that ring a bell? The Command breaks down into two basic concepts. "Destroy," and "Evil". I think that, upon receiving the Command, the Breaths were corrupted with Ruin's Intent, that of Destruction, which essentially makes the Breaths part of Ruin's Investiture. All of those Corrupted Breaths, now being forced into a single sword, oversaturated it with Investiture, and so it started leaking it, letting those Corrupted Breaths dissipate. However, here's the problem: Investiture can't be destroyed. The closest it can come to being destroyed is when it's exposed to Anti-Investiture, where the Investiture simply becomes energy, which can presumably be turned back into Investiture. So, how can the Breaths follow their new Intent? The closest it can come to 'destroying' Investiture is Corrupting it and keeping it stuck in the sword, forcing it to stay out of the Investiture systems for as long as possible. Nightblood is, functionally, a prime manifestation of Ruin's Intent, doing its best to destroy Investiture by Corrupting it and trying to keep it compressed within the sword. This is why Nightblood has grown in power over the centuries; it absorbs the Investiture from everything and everyone that it possibly can. The "Destroy" half of the Command essentially dictates the method by which the sword works. All this is separate from the "Evil" part of the Command. That part forms the basis of Nightblood's 'test'. If you want to use the sword for personal gain, extortion, killing your enemies, etc, you will be drawn to kill others with the sword, and then yourself. If not, you feel nauseous. Use the sword and you become Bonded to it, and you become immune to the test. "Evil" determines the test by which the sword decides whether someone is evil or not, and the "Destroy" part ordains how it will kill someone who is decided to be evil. The fact that Nightblood-inflicted wounds cause blackness to form on the corpses through its Aluminum sheath just goes to show how powerful it is. It suggests that Ruin's magic system could have been far, far darker than Hemalurgy. Had Ruin settled on a planet other than Scadrial, alone, it could have resulted in a magic system more like a twisted, nightmarish version of Breaths and Awakening: A world where you can kill other people and suck their Investiture out as they die, with more Investiture gained the more the agony the victim is in as they pass. Collect enough Dying Breaths and you can create creatures or constructs out of Midnight Essence. Infect someone with Dying Breaths and you can possess them through an Entropy Bond, controlling them like a puppeteer, their eyes leaking black smoke all the while. Each use of Dying Breaths expends Breaths in a way that they can never be recovered, always driving people to kill more to gain more power. The more Dying Breaths you have at any given moment, the more sadistic and masochistic you become, reveling in pain. Luckily for the denizens of the Cosmere, Ruin never gets a chance to truly express his Intent, beyond wanting to destroy Scadrial. Nothing we see him do is unique to him; Any other Shard could recreate those effects, Intent notwithstanding. Nightblood is a tiny window into the truly destructive power Ruinous magic systems can have. Thoughts?
  7. Had to related what-ifs that may be possible and I'm not sure yet on the scope of the ramifications. What if Returned had a security phrase known to Endowment and anyone that she decided to divulge that information to? What if Nightblood or Azure's sword had security phrases? What would or would not be possible? Did Shashara have more control over Nightblood as the Awakener, or did Nightblood operate about as we've always seen? Thoughts? If these are possible there could be some pretty terrifying reveals.
  8. I realize that Nightblood is currently on Roshar, but I put this in Cosmere discussion because it deals with multiple planets. So it felt appropriate. If you haven't read Warbreaker, Oathbringer, and Rhythm of War, you should wait until you do.
  9. (lots of spoilers) Ok, I don't have any concrete proof, but the reason for my argument is that I refuse to believe that something that only requires 1000 breaths, and is relatively easy to create (with a wide perspective) could ascend to the spiritual realm and kill a god. There has to be another answer. if this could be done so easily, the 16 would have reacted somehow, instead of refusing to acknowledge the swords existence. So I thought about it, and came up with a possible theory; Nightblood is a dawnshard, specifically the dawnshard of destruction (I have another theory about what all 4 dawnshards are, but that is for another time.) You may say, "Oh but Shashara and Vasher made it with just breaths, and Vasher would not have killed shashara if it was a dawnshard, because he knew it could not be re-created." While that is all true, it can be thwarted with a simple fact. Vasher and Shashara did not know it was a dawnshard. "Oh but how would they have accidentally got ahold of one of the most powerful forces in the cosmere?" Think about it. The Shard that abides on Nalthis is the Shard of Endowment, whose intent is believed to be bestowing gifts and talents upon people. My theory is this: Endowments saw Shashara desperately trying to make a breakthrough about investing steel, likely in emotional distress because of how envious she is of Yesteel, after he invents ichor alcohol. She hits a roadblock unable to do anything, so Endowment, true to her Intent, decided to bestow her a gift, a dawnshard, which maybe she has held since the shattering, or maybe she found it later. Endowment places the shard in the sword. Shashara does not know this happened, and just believes she got this effect through investing the sword with 1000 measly breaths. Possible right? I believe it is the most possible reasoning. But it does make things kind of sad, because it means that vasher killed Shashara for nothing, as re-creating the sword would have been impossible. Anyway, that's my theory! I'm excited to hear what yall think!
  10. What do people think would happen if you tried to draw Nightblood while wearing Aluminum gauntlets (or full plate mail, which seems the safest way to draw Nightblood, if there is indeed a safe way to do so)? Would Nightblood still go active and try to destroy, not be able to draw Investiture out of the wielder, would those weird tendrils try to climb over the Aluminum to suck Investiture out of you anyway, would Nightblood's power be lessened, or something else?
  11. so to my knowledge the reason shardblades work is because they are very highly invested and its the same with shardplate, so if you were to pour a high amount of breaths into a sword of cloak without awakening it would it still cut through anything (like nightblood) or block blows (shardplate)
  12. I put this in the Stormlight Archive Forum because most of where we see Nightblood, is on Roshar? So, I'm going back through Warbreaker, and Nightblood sounds (at least to me) to be far more astute than they are in OB or RoW. Granted, Nightblood seems pretty interested in/distracted by Szeth (and Lift) so it could be that, but there are a *lot* more comments about Vasher from Nightblood in Warbreaker then there are about/to Szeth? They sort of, poke fun at him (Vasher)..or comment on hypocrisy and other complex thoughts, that I don't feel are represented in their dialogue in SA? Am I missing something about this? I know from some WoB, that Nightblood is/has been maturing over the centuries that they've been alive as they absorb investiture, but their dialogue seems even more self-centered in SA then it is in SA, more juvenile maybe? At least to me. Thoughts? Illuminations? Reasons for this that I'm missing something obvious?
  13. So, we know that if Nightblood is not given enough Kinetic Investiture, he will instead consume the soul of the one who wields him. We know that the soul just means the Spirit Web, so Nightblood is consuming the wielder's Spirit Web. Could you find a way to very specifically cull certain parts of your Spirit Web with Nightblood? Say you have an unwanted Connection, could Nightblood consume that? Could he consume a Nahel Bond? The fact that you're an Allomancer? That you are an Elantrian? Would this be plausible in any way whatsoever? I'm excited to hear your thoughts.
  14. Do we know if Nightblood has a cognitive aspect? I know he isn't a spen and doesn't have a body in the CR, but does he have a sphere or a fire (Or whatever the Nalthian version is). Along with that, what do summoned shardblades look like in the CR?
  15. Ok so I was thinking about how awakening draws color from things, turning them gray, and shardblade wounds also turn things gray. I was also pondering how Nightblood leeches the color from people when they wield it. So I have a few questions on this topic and I am curious to hear what other people think. I have no idea if this is supposed to be a discussion or under questions (as I have multiple questions). A lot of this is probably theories only, and some of it may have already been discussed. First, how is the lack of colour related between the two (Awakening color-loss and Shardblade wounds)? Is it related at all? If a Lifeless is cut by a shardblade is it cut in one swing? Second, if Nightblood bled someone's hand gray could said hand be cut off in one swing from a shardblade? Third, how is colour related to the soul? Color is lost when the soul is disconnected by a shardblade, and why is this color-loss happening? Fourth, can people killed by shardblades be turned into Lifeless? Do shardblades need multiple swings to cut through awakened objects? If something was invested with enough breath (say Vasher's cloak but it is given more breath than necessary to protect him), would it block shardblades?
  16. Okay, so I haven't read the Tress book so don't use those spoilers please (you can put them in spoiler box if you want) but I don't think it would apply here anyway. My question is: Trellium repels Investiture, right? And Nightblood leaks Ruined Investiture, right? So what would happen if you put Trellium near Nightblood's smoke?
  17. This is a theory I've been kicking around in the back of my head for a little while. It takes the WoBs about Nightblood's creation (Endowment's involvement and Ruin's Investiture) and mixes them with some timeline analysis to get a final result and hopefully partially answers the question of Nightblood's creation. To summarize in a single sentence: Nightblood was made as Ruin died. I think that Endowment waited until she knew that Ruin was about to die, then pushed Shashara to make Nightblood. She took some of Ruin's Investiture, momentarily free of any Vessel's control, and mixed it into the Breaths used to make Nightblood, resulting in the sword we all know and love, rather than a normal Awakened Sword like Vivenna's Blade. How do I know these events line up? Info from Warbreaker, Stormlight, and Mistborn Era 2. We know that Era 2 starts 341 years after the Catacendre. Era 2 takes place between Stormlight 5 and 6. Warbreaker takes place before SA, probably between 10 and 20 Rosharan years (extrapolated from the fact that Vasher trained Adolin) though we don't have an exact date. The Manywar was ~300 years before Warbreaker, though again we don't have an exact date. Adding the extra 10% from Rosharan years and given that we also don't know how long a Nalthian year is, its possible that the Manywar was happening during Mistborn Era 1. Especially if the Nightblood book adds some extra years in there or if the Manywar over 300 years before Warbreaker. What do you all think? Reasonable? Crazy?
  18. So Brandon mentioned that the composition of the Nightmares is related to Midnight Essence and Nightblood's black smoke. I wonder if this also relates to the material that the Aether of Night assumedly grants the Sorceress of the Midnight Sea control over.
  19. Nightblood is seen to leak investiture in the form of black smoke. does this smoke have any affects on anything? What if Nightblood were to be destroyed would the investiture slowly leake out or would it form a kind of blast of stored investiture?
  20. Hello everyone, i was just wondering: is there a limit to how much Investiture Nightblood can absorbe? Since RoW we know there is kind of a limit, at least Nightblood was fed up after consuming part of Odiums Investiture. But is this the hard limit of how Invested Nightblood can become or can it still wield more Investiture? Secondly we know that Nightblood leaks Investiture in form of black smoke, so there is definitely a loss there. Just imagine the possibility of Nightblood storing a very big amount of Investiture. In that case it may function as a Perpendicularity, so you might be able to travel the Realms freely just by holding Nightblood. There might also be the possibility for Nightblood to mix different types of Investitures. I imagine that, after consuming Stormlight and Voidlight, the black smoke it leaks may have similarities to Warlight. I hope we see something like this in later books, as it would enhance our understanding of the cosmere significantly. So let me know your thoughts on this. Maybe there is somthing in the books i missed or maybe there are WoBs I don't know about. Cheers and have a wonderful day.
  21. So, important question. Are awakened objects sentient/is Nightblood sentient? I would say no, but I'm able to be convinced. Thanks ya'll
  22. Nightblood can cut through Fused, Thunderclasts, and Spren. 2 questions. Yes, I know that Nightblood hurts like crazy when you draw it. But If Szeth drew it some more, he could’ve annihilated the Fused forever. However, can Nightblood destroy an Unmade or the Nightwatcher, Stormfather and Sibling?
  23. So we saw a lot of Nightblood in RoW and I wanted to share a theory. So I believe that Nightblood uses the anti-Investiture we learned about (e.g. anti-Voidlight, anti-Stormlight) in order to destroy. So think about it: Raboniel told Navani about how anti-Voidlight would react with Odium's vessel to kill him like what was done to Tanavast. Coincidently, Rayse, Odium's Vessel, a being that should be too powerful to be killed by a human creation, was then killed later by Nightblood. Furthermore, we see Nightblood damaging Ishar's Honorblade; this was previously thought to be impossible. The only theory I can come up with is it came into contact with anti-Investiture. Now, some might argue that Nightblood wasn't damaged in either process as has been seen in the case of Investiture reacting with its opposite. Remember that Shadblades and Honorblades are pieces of power manifested in the Physical Realm. Nightblood, however, was once an ordinary sword infused with massive amounts of Investiture and given a Command with Intent. It then uses external Investiture to fuel its power. My theory is that, somehow, the Investiture that Nightblood absorbs from its bearer becomes inverted, as we saw Navani do in her experiments. This anti-Investiture is then what causes instant antihalation upon contact with its opposite. We saw anti-Stormlight used to kill Phendorana. I believe that would still happen if she had been manifested as a Blade. Possibly in the form of, say, breaking or chipping it? I also believe that is how Nightblood kills so... uniquely. The descriptions of people being instantly vaporized sound similar to what happened to Phendorana as well as Raboniel's and her daughter's souls. So definitely not cannon and I am sure my theory has some holes, but I honestly believe this has merit. I would love to here your thoughts as I believe this will have massive implications for the future!
  24. So we know Nightblood is full of Investiture. It is so full it bleeds black smoke. It is more invested than an Honorblade, can kill vessels of Shards, and was made by Awakening. Nightblood was based on shardblade design maybe even from the Honorblades. It seems to me that the 5 scholars at the height of awakening scholarship traveled to Roshar. Maybe to learn more about other worlds or other magics. They were impressed with shardblades. The sleepless were tasked with guarding the Dawnshards. One way to protect a dawnshard from Odium is to make it harder to reach. They gave it to Shashara, who created Nightblood along with Vasher. She was given the Dawnshard Destroy. They decided the best way to safely use it was if it was commanded to only destroy evil. They figured it would make the Dawnshard safer to wield. Rsyan was told not to bind a spren because using the Dawnshard in conjunction with Investiture is dangerous. Ie. Creating Nightblood with Awakening. A Shardblade so powerful because the dawnshard (similar to having the 5th heightening, or perhaps more) was used as the force to awaken it, maybe with additional breaths. What do you think an awakened soldier with the Destroy Dawnshard could do?
  25. When Nightblood destroys something or someone, it basically consumes everything that they are made of, physically, cognitively, and spiritually, and converts it into Investiture that acts as more of Nightblood itself, hence the reason it's so powerful. But what if someone could trick Nightblood into thinking that they were already a part of it? Nightblood is so Invested that it cannot hold all of the Investiture that it has consumed, so it constantly leaks when unsheathed. So what you would want to do is use Raysium to capture some of this cast off power. Then, you create a blanked Aluminummind. Next, you create a Hybrid Investiture that uses Nightblood's Investiture and the Investiture from your blanked Aluminummind and store the resulting Investiture back inside the Aluminummind. Finally, when you draw Nightblood next, you would blank your own Identity while tapping the Identity from the "Nightmind", and hopefully that would make Nightblood consider you a part of itself enough to not consume you. Anyway, hopefully this would work and not leave you like Rayse, which would be terribly unfortunate.
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