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We know that Tin Allomancers can see through the Mist better than they should due to Allomancy and the Mists both being of Preservation, so I'm wondering if Tin Feruchemists could do the same thing to Harmony's Mists in Era 2 due to Feruchemy and the new Mists both being of Harmony?

mists and stormlight are basically the same thing, and Brandon already mentioned it being possible to use them, but I don't understand why they haven't done that yet Are they blocked or something? Why doesn't Kelsier research how to access the planet's own investiture instead of bringing it from outside?

I've had a pet theory for a while that the people who died to the mists were actually those who would have been full mistborn. From memory the text actually says that the reason the atium mistings were ill the longest was because atium mistings were 'the most powerful'. If so, then surely Mistborn would be worse affected and maybe die? That would also help explain why there are no full mistborn in Era 2, as everyone with the Spiritual DNA potential to be a mistborn died earlier. Does anyone know if there's any evidence for or against this idea?

So I had a few questions about the specifics of Preservation’s snapping mists 1. The Mists raised the Allomantic potential of people who didn’t have any to begin with. But what would it do to an unsnapped Misting or Mistborn? Would they just face a regular snapping? Would they become a more powerful Misting? If it helps, imagine a room of 100 unsnapped Mistings. In theory, the Mists should still act, but maybe not if the targets are treated as Snapped Mistings 2. If #1 is true, can the Mists overwrite the ability of an unsnapped Misting? For example, 100 unsnapped Thugs walk into the Mists. Some would have to convert into other metals if Preservation still wanted 16 of each Misting. But I also assumed that the Mists do make one of each Misting and the 16% isn’t just referring to who gets sick. Similarly, can the Mists turn an unsnapped Mistborn into a Misting? 3. The one that interests me most. Can the Mists affect Feruchemists? It’s could easily be possible since the Keepers were all dead by HoA. Trickier if you assume the Mists never stopped Snapping people, but still not impossible, since Keepers wouldn’t have much reason to be in the night mists. (Side question: how many members did the Keepers have? Just curious to see how many could trigger the Mist if they were all together. 4. Is there any reason to think the Mists ever stopped Snapping people? They did only appear at night after Rashek used the Well, but I don’t buy that he suddenly figured it out in the relatively short time after scorching Scadrial. The transformations would also be easy to mask. Affected nobles or noble blooded skaa would just be thought of as Snapped the normal way. Skaa were even more superstitious and few would go into the Mists. On top of that, even fewer would figure out their powers, since knowledge is rare and skaa mistings either hide or die/become inquisitor fodder. If they did, most people would probably conclude noble blood. Given what we know, I honestly think it’s more likely the Mists never stopped Snapping than that they did, despite only acting at night. But if there’s any contradictory evidence or things I’ve forgotten from HoA, let me know

If you took a polestone from Roshar and set it out in Scadrial's Mists, would it charge with the Investiture there?

Specific Rythms have shone to be able to affect Investiture, specifically the Lights, in a variety of ways. My question is would it be possible to affect he Mists of Scadrial as well? Perhaps using the right Rythms might make the Mists able to be stored in Gemstones? Or perhaps make it coalesce into Lerasium? Big leap in logic I know, but it has been confirmed that Rythms exist everywhere in the Cosmere and implied that Gemstones can store more types of Investiture than we've seen. Any thoughts?

So iirc, Mistborn could see through the mists. So can Mistings, right? Do you know if Ferrings/Feruchemists can see through the mists as well? Anyway. Mists can power Allomancy, and according to WoB, Feruchemy as well if someone knows what they're doing. But it's interesting to me that mists seem to empower Mistings by more than just their metallic power: From BoM: So does that mean that the Mists can provide just a touch of any of the powers? Brandon also said that a Misting's power is determined by genetics, and that Mists can empower and Snap someone who ordinarily wouldn't have enough allomantic potential. So does that mean, since all Mistings are descendants of full Mistborn, that they have like, 60% potential for their primary power and 1% or something for all the others. And the mists empower this one percent?

The Cognitive Realm of Scadrial is, like it's physical counterpart during nighttime, absolutely covered in Mists, which shapes itself to reflect the Physical Realm. My question is, are the MIsts in the Cognitive Realm the same as the ones from the Physical Realm? Are they the gaseous form of Preservation's Investiture or is this just a quirk of the Cognitive Realm?

Both stormlight and the mists of Scadrial are gaseous forms of investiture. How come radiants can absorb stormlight, but mistings and mistborn cant absorb the mists under normal circumstances?

This isn't as much of a theory as it is a notable connection, but here it goes: I always wondered why the Mists in Scadrial never went into people's homes at night, seemingly disappearing at a house's thresholds. But then, I noticed something interesting: At the end of Oathbringer, when the Everstorm passes over Urithiru, Odium speaks to Taravangian, telling him to "open the window" several times before being able to speak with him "in person" as he does with Venli. Why would a Shard, even one trapped in Braize, need someone as insignificant as Taravangian to open a window? That seems almost fey-like from what is basically a god, and it got me thinking: could this be linked to the Mists back in Scadrial? What do y'all think?

We know that Lerasium is the condensed power of preservation, as Atium is to Ruin. The power of shards can exist in material form in solid and liquid states. Logically, it should be able to exist in gaseous form as well (and plasm) which leads me go believe that the Mists are - in fact - Preservation's own power in gaseous form. -Vin is able to absorb the Mists and enhance her Allomancy with it, becoming capable of manipulating metals inside someone else like the LR and perform a Steelpush so powerful it decimates Kredik Shaw. Lerasium turns people into Mistborn, but apparently this is just a side effect. Lerasium's true power is unknown, but we know that using the Mists (a sort of dilute Lerasium) gave Vin a huge boost. According to the wiki, burning enough Lerasium to achieve Savanthood would make one the Shardholder of Preservation; this seems to be what Vin did by absorbing all of the Mists. We know that Leras intended for her to succeed him temporarily, and she Ascended after his death. This makes me wonder, however, what would have happened if Leras still lived and Vin absorbed the Mists - would she have been unable to, as someone already held Preservation? Or, can anyone at anytime take hold of Preservation by burning enough Lerasium? (I know it's unlikely anyone would have access to the relevant amounts) -Lerasium is also unique in that anyone can burn it, thereby becoming Mistborn. Lerasium spikes steal all abilities, much like Atium spikes. The wiki states that Atium spikes are "better" at this than other metals - and I believe that this means Atium spikes lose less power during the transfer. Based on Preservation's intent, however, I believe that: 1- A Lerasium spike is exempt from the Law of Hemalurgic Decay, that is the powers it steals will always remain at full strength, barring that the spike is split. 2- A Lerasium spike isn't just able to steal any ability (like Atium) but will invariably steal and store all abilities. My problem with the second part of this theory is that things beyond Metallic abilities can be stolen, like Investiture and Identity. I'm not sure what the implications of this are. I have no idea what Feruchemical properties Lerasium has. Maybe it can somehow store the Preservation part of people, making the person more destructive while feeding a Lerasium mind, and more Preservative while tapping it? This is, however, rather flimsy guesswork.

Hi guys new here, this may have already been answered but can the mists be stored in metal similar to how stormlight is stored in gemstones.

Hi I don't know if this has been discussed before, but do you think that the mist are now the excess ruinous intent in era 2? A WoB implies Harmony is doing something with his "spare" Ruin so to speak (new to using the forums so im not sure how to link this WoB). So could the mists now be this excess ruinous investure rather than preservation? The reason I thought this is at end of Alloy of law, Wax burns some of the mists, while wearing the spiked earing. However, in era 1, a spike stops Vin using the mists, which were of preservation. So my question is, was Wax able to use some of this mists as a consequence they are now more of Ruin, which is in line with Wax "being of Ruin", or did he have access just as a consequence of Harmony's attention (implying the mists are still of preservation or just Harmonys combined intents in general). P.s I know there are theories that the spare ruin is related to a potential daughter-product of an ettmetal reaction, but what if this excess is the mists, or that a mix of both ?

Mistborn Foreshadowing much?

Please tell me if this has been proposed before. Anyone who has read the Stormlight Archive knows all about Rock's obsession with the thick lowlander air. I think most people just assume it's a cultural belief. However, I think it could be Honor/Cultivation's gaseous manifestation. Ruin and Preservation both had a solid, liquid, and gaseous manifestation: Preservation's manifestations Ruin- this, atium, and his Shardpool at Hathsin(I think I remember that from somewhere but if I'm wrong correct me.) So, the rest of the shards probably have these three manifestations too. I'm not sure if that's been confirmed yet, but it seems like a logical assumption. We know the solid manifestations of Honor and Cultivation are the Shardblades and the shardpool(s) of one (or both) of them are in the Horneater Peaks. We haven't seen their gaseous manifestation yet. Is it possible that the Horneater air is this gaseous manifestation? It seems like a strange idea for the Horneaters to get into their heads, and Rock continues to believe it despite having breathed the lowlander air for around a year. If there was really no difference, then Rock probably would have realized. What do you think?

So, from what I can piece together... The god metals result from a body breaking apart from the sheer power of a Shard, and they form the following: Gas/Spirit Aspect - The willpower and consciousness of the holder, able to be anywhere the atmosphere can spread. Liquid/Cognitive Aspect - The subconscious and full skill potential of the holder, absorbed easier than water into a human. Solid/Physical Aspect - The limited, but usable raw material of the holder, in handy bead form. The ways each of these replenish are rather interesting. The Well of Ascension, for instance. (Please, don't be shy about goofs or overreaching speculation - if I'm wrong, I'm wrong) Magnetic North itself, right? And it was a plug on top of Ruin's spirit aspect, hence Ruin's body had to dribble out through the ground. Why did Preservation collect as a liquid and Ruin as a solid? Why are beads of lerasium bare and atium inside large geodes? Did Preservation merge with the planet's crust? My theory, yes. The geodes are a protective layer against mutual annihilation of both elements. A magnetic north lerasium well and magnetic south atium well don't quite make sense, as Ruin's mind would not be trapped by the Well. But this may have been the original balance of the planet. The whole thing has so many what-ifs and RAFOs it can make your head spin. But this raises the curious possibility of what the south polers may have been doing when faced with the scientific curiosity of a world where the north and south poles may have both been on the opposite side of the planet.

Since Sazed now holds the power of Preservation, couldn't he take the form of the mist spirit like Leras did if he wanted to? Also, would he be bound in not being able to directly speak to humans anymore (as Preservation was) or would the fact that he is partly Ruin amend that (as Ruin was able to speak directly to those with Hemalurgic spikes)?

So I was rereading HoA and when Vin is wailing on Inquisitors near the end and drawing on copious amounts of mist I noticed a lot of similarities..... It says that she breathed in the mists It also says something along the lines of there was a storm inside her or swirling or raging (don't have the book in front of me) It also said it was smoking off of her skin and that she breathed it out Let me qualify by saying that I am realatively new and haven't tried to scour all theories for this, so if I'm restating something I would love a link to the discussion. If not, Is there a correlation between stormlight and the mists more than just both being gaseous manifestations of the shard? It seems pretty intentional to me. I would love to hear your comments, questions, reprimands etc.

This post is largely a collection of information about what the highstorms have been shown to do and my take on them. Firstly, highstorms can be predicted mathematically with some degree of accuracy ~80% by Lirin. Secondly, WoB is that they serve a similar function to the mists in some way. The Mists did several things: They were attracted to allomancers, they could be used to fuel allomancy by certain individuals, they countered the power of Ruin to some extent and allomancers burning tin became attuned to them. I believe a passing remark was made about desolations being predicted mathematically has also been made. Mists were also the body of Preservation. The likely explanation is that this last point is what Brandon meant about mists and highstorms being related, but I thought about taking the connections one step further. From these, we can draw parallels. The Highstorms certainly fuel surgebinding, although not as directly as the mists fueled Vin. Kaladin had a unique experience of seeing a face in the highstorm which can be connected to the attraction of mists to invested beings. (people with magic have some special resonance with the body of the shard powering them) My speculations are that the two other functions of the mists are also mirrored by highstorms. Both Desolations and Highstorms have the potential to be predicted with some accuracy. Thus, highstorms may be related to stopping desolations in some way. This covers both the countering of Odium's power and the mathematical predictions of each. If a highstorm occurs every time that a desolation has the potential to happen, they could block Odium's attacks. Does anyone have any other ideas on how these interactions might occurs or whether they happen at all?

So I just finished HoA again today, and there were a few things that stuck out to me: 1. The mist that seeps out of vin/sazed when they're holding preservation's power (or ruin's) is really really similar to how stormlight leaks from surgebinders. I know there was a Q&A I read recently where stormlight (highstorms?) was similar to the mist from mistborn, and that we didn't have a name for it. Just thought that was interesting. 2. When sazed picked up Ruin and Preservation, he essentially created a "new" shard because he was of a single mind how to use the opposing powers. They function as one shard now, and WoB said that if Sazed were to die, he would drop harmony, not ruin and preservation (though they could be separated again). This made me think that Adonalsium could be put back together eventually. Extrapolating in the other direction, would it be possible for Honor (or other splintered shards) to be rebuilt? Obviously, there's a lot about splintering that we don't know, but it seems at least like a plausible idea. What do you guys think?