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Hi guys, First things first, this is my first post, but after browsing these forums for god knows how long I finally caught something in the books that prompted me to make that first leap and start a new topic of discussion. I can only imagine, with my luck, it has been discussed before, but I did try and check so I hope that is not the case. So there was a quote in Bands of Mourning where VenDell is talking to Marasi and the group about the Bands of Mourning (13% through on the Kindle version of the 3rd Wax & Wayne book), where he says: While we know Harmony knows Kelsier is at least alive in the cognitive realm, because of their interactions at the end of Secret History, this little line makes it fairly clear that the Kandra must also know about Kelsier's condition, because he only touched the power of Ascension after his "death". It went completely over my head first reading, so I can't blame Marasie and Wax for not picking up on it and questioning how/when Kelsier touched the power - of course, Harmony could have included Kelsiers' role post-death in the Words of Founding, but I find it unlikely given Waxs' shocked response at the end of BoM. This got me thinking, if the Kandra and Harmony both know of Kelsier and his exploits, how closely are they working together? A lot of this is going to be a RAFO situation, but I thought it might be fun to speculate on the relationship between Sazed and Kelsier. I would like to say that its fairly obvious at this point that Kel and Sazed are working together to try and work out what's going on in the areas under Trell's watch, hopefully leading into some bad-chull era crossover crew with Wax, Wayne, Spook, Marsh (who by the way must be an even stronger version of the Lord Ruler at this point), Kelsier, etc., but I might be jumping the gun a bit (see below). If it ends up that they are working closely together (I mean why else would Kelsier be running around a desert 300 years after dying..?), I'm really curious about is whether Kelsier is fully physical again and if so, has Harmony given him back his Mistborn capabilities? Who's 'in charge' as well? I mean, Kelsier was the crew leader, but now Harmony is literally god; either way, Brandon Sanderson will have a lot of fun with that... The real curve ball, though, is a quote from Shadows of Self: That could make it sound like he's not working or talking with Kelsier at all since Kelsier's off on his hunt for a physical body, which I think is unlikely, or him and Kelsier are out of touch (i.e. "since Kelsier left to do 'X'...) for a while for whatever reason. If he's left a while ago to do something that doesn't involve/allow keeping in touch with Harmony (i.e. a spy type thing), what could Kelsier be up to? Infiltrating Trell society? Trying to spark another revolution or something? Tiny bit jumbled and disorganised, but I got the main two quotes and a few of my thoughts down, just about! Thoughts? PS: When writing a post, I obviously don't want spoilers in the title, but how do I make it so that anyone who clicks on it knows that the books contain spoilers from 'X' book, without writing it in the title? Should I just simply be adding a tag for (in this case) Mistborn Era 2 spoilers?