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  1. So me and @That1Cellist were having a talk about god metals and he proposed burning a Honorblade. Now if you are scared of catching dangerous weapons in your mouth could you use investure to make it where if you touch the honorblade it would be enough to burn it, if you could how much investiture would it take (let's say you have hemalurgic duralumin and are a nicrosil twinborn)?
  2. I’m rereading SA and am at the end of WoR. Syl tells Kaladin after they fight Szeth to go after the honorblade that Szeth drops, that it must not be lost. Why is the honorblade so important? Wouldn’t a spren consider them more dangerous because they grant Surgebinding without the Nahel bond? What do y’all think?
  3. Long Game 91: A Fresh Start in Shinovar They couldn't ignore their warriors' reports any longer. After nearly four hundred years of keeping the treasure the Heralds had left behind - well, most of them - someone had come looking for them. Someone not sent by Nin-son-God. No, these were Tukari. Stonewalkers. Some said they had a new leader, others just thought they had finally gotten word from some traitorous merchant. But the Tukari were coming for the Honorblades. And the Shin High Council must stand ready to face them. Welcome to Long Game 91: A Fresh Start in Shinovar! This is a simplified version of my first game, LG72, and revolves around the changing of hands of Honorblades and thus abilities across the game. I, @Ashbringer, will be your GM, with @Devotary of Spontaneity as your IM. (If anyone would like to co-GM, let me know - additional vote counters are always welcome.) There are two types of roles in this game, standard roles and Honorblade roles. Standard roles will be given to individual players and remain with them for the rest of the game (like normal roles) or until that player is eliminated. In this game, only the Shaman is a Standard role. Honorblades are transferable; they can be passed around and upon the Bearer’s death they will go to a new player. Each Honorblade grants two Surges; for recall’s sake, each Blade will be named by the Herald who held them. General Rules: Honorblade Rules: Surges: Shaman: Order of Actions: The game will start on Sunday, November 20th at 11:00 PM PST. Because of scheduling, the actual rollover time may change before the start of the game and/or rollover may take longer depending on how life goes. Between college and Thanksgiving Break I don't really have a time that I'm available every single day besides the middle of the night... but the game starting Sunday will mean there's no rollover on Thanksgiving Day, which is nice. One last thing - Ookla season is coming up, and this time it'll likely start during the game and not before. So if you plan on changing your name during Ookla season, please give me your old and new name in the GM PM and in thread once you do change it. Also please don't change both your name and profile picture. Clarifications: Participants: Quick Links:
  4. The Spren of Roshar are, as far as we know, unable to leave Roshar, which makes Surgebinding limited to Roshar. But is it the same for Honorblades?
  5. LG91 Day 8: Look At All Those Chickens! The city of Earthen Truth was running out of people. It was not, however, completely out. There was still Daalna, Hadrian, Evelt, Jet, and Infinite. And there were chickens. Several of them. But when morning came, the chickens were nowhere to be found. The three that had found each other, Hadrian, Jet, and Infinite, walked in search of them. They found them, staring at a pair of corpses. Evelt, the blade once held by the traitor Stick next to their body. But Daalna - the one the chickens seemed most perturbed by - Daalna was dead next to three. Intuition led to confirmation - Daalna had been an invader. But what did this? Surely even an agitated group of chickens couldn't take down such a threat. Surely. Cinnamon / Ookla the catastrophizer was killed! They were a member of the Shin High Council and the Bearer of Shalash's Honorblade! Tani / Ookla the Implosion was killed! They were a Tukari Invader and the Bearer of Jezrien's Honorblade, the Bearer of Vedel's Honorblade, and the Bearer of Paliah's Honorblade! Shalash's Honorblade is available to be claimed by Cinnamon's killer! If it remains unclaimed, it will be redistributed at the end of the Day Turn. Jezrien's Honorblade is available to be claimed by Tani's killer! If it remains unclaimed, it will be redistributed at the end of the Day Turn. Vedel's Honorblade is available to be claimed by Tani's killer! If it remains unclaimed, it will be redistributed at the end of the Day Turn. Paliah's Honorblade is available to be claimed by Tani's killer! If it remains unclaimed, it will be redistributed at the end of the Day Turn. The turn will end on Tuesday, December 13th, at 11:00 PM PST. Player List:
  6. Investiture, when you have enough in one place, tends to gain sentience. The honorblades are splinters of Honor he made himself, and clearly quite invested. Each generation of blade since them- sprenblades and nightblood- has been sentient. Spren figured out the radiant bond when trying to replicate honorblades- but why did they try to replicate them? What made spren look at an inanimate sword and go "i could do that", unless the swords were, in fact, something similar to them. To me, it would just make sense if the honorblades, too, were sentient. So why haven't we seen this sentience? Well, for the same reason people didn't know pre-radiant-return shardblades were sentient: cause they're dead. They died, probably, when the heralds gave up the oathpact. This would leave one honorblade still alive, Taln's honorblade, one that we haven't seen yet and clearly has *something* going on behind the scenes. (Primarily, who swapped it out for a normal shardblade after taln returned? Where is it now?) We haven't seen shardblades in the cognitive realm, and it's like our radiants have had a lot of opportunity to either. They lost the honorblade before they figured out how to go to shadesmar. It's not like the radiants would have to be dumb and not think to check what honorblades look like after they knew spren were different in the cognitive. (Technically there was a couple-month period where Jasnah could have checked, but I think it's a lot more believable for one person in a couple months to not think of this than a whole city in a year). There's also a cheeky WoB about honorblade's 10 heartbeat limitation My assumption for a while was that the reason for this was about perception. They thought it would take 10 heartbeats, so it did. But in the Vyre interlude, we see him going "Adolin was able to summon his blade in less than 10 heartbeats. There must be a way I can too" and actively trying, to no avail. And the shin have more experience with honorblades than they do shardblades- and i doubt the 10 heartbeat thing is that common of knowledge among people without shardblades, so why would they think this limitation exists? So maybe they actually *do* have a 10 heartbeat limitation, because they're deadeyes.
  7. LG91 Night 4: Battar Up The death of a warrior shook the city of Earthen Truth. They may be lower in the class, but when they were needed they were loyal and true. And an expert at dealing with infiltrators. So for one to die in the night, with little more than a nameless grunt as recompense, the city was on edge even with Stick taken care of. Egg-son-chicken had claimed to hold an Honorblade. One with Surges capable of stopping such an act. Well, that part had been true at least. The bloodthirsty citizens soon found that not every such event was a traitor over a tragedy. Cash67 was executed! They were a member of the Shin High Council and the Bearer of Battar's Honorblade! Battar's Honorblade has been redistributed! Vote Count: Cash67 (6): Turtle / Ookla the POKE VOTE, Araris Valerian, Shining Silhouette / Ookla the Debonair, InfiniteInsanity, Archer / Ookla the Paragrapher, Tani / Ookla the Implosion xinoehp512 / Ookla the Forgotten (1): Cash67 The turn will end on Friday, December 2nd at 11:00 PM PST. Player List:
  8. So, something I've wondered about since I read RoW is what has happened to the Honorblades, and what will happen with them going forward. Based on Dalinar's encounter with Ishar, it's strongly implied that he attacked the Shin and took the Honorblades from them. He may have only recovered his own, so we don't know that he has all the missing ones. But that means that 6-7 of the Honorblades are either in the possession of the Shin or Ishar's forces, or split between them. Nale has his, Moash has the WindRunner blade, and we still don't know what happened to the StoneWard blade. Since Kaladin and Szeth are headed to Shinovar in book five, it's more or less guaranteed that more information about the other blades Shinovar protected all those years will come out. What really happened to them, where they are, who has them, we don't yet know. But we will hopefully find out. What I'd like to ask/postulate, is what will happen if they honorblades are recovered by the radiants? If the desolations truly end after book 5, then there won't be the same kind of need for them anymore. The desolations will be done. The heralds my eventually recover, but who knows what state they'll be in. And as a certain honorspren said and Szeth has proven, the honorblades are dangerous. Without any kind of oath restricting the actions of the ones holding them, they can be used to terrible effect. Of course, some of the honorblades could still be useful. The blades could be used to train people in the surges of that blade's corresponding order, which would be useful in times when there aren't many radiants of that particular order, such as BondSmiths. Or ElseCallers at the present time. So the honorblades could still be very useful, but also very risky. This brings me to my conclusion. I think the honorblades should be destroyed. They were forged from Honor's soul, and Vorenism likely considers them holy artifacts, but with the danger they represent and the need for them greatly diminished, they should probably be disposed of. The way to do this, of course, is with Knightblood. If that sword is capable of damaging one of the honorblades, then it should be capable of destroying them. It would be tricky, given how Knightblood works, but it should still be possible. Of course hiding them or locking them away is an option, but the Shin tried that. And while they were successful for a long time, the blades were ultimately recovered by insane heralds who have done Adolnasium only knows what with them. That's why I think the honorblades should be destroyed. What do you think?
  9. There are a number of theories floating around about who/what Aux is. We know a couple of things for sure: Auxiliary claims to be dead Auxiliary is referred to as a spren Auxiliary acts as a living shardblade by changing shape Auxiliary is probably not a bonded cognitive shadow of a dead knight radiant (WOB) Auxiliary refers to himself as knight and Nomad as a squire Auxiliary can absorb and then use multiple types of investiture Auxiliary can manipulate spirit webs with what looks like Spiritual Adhesion Auxiliary can initiate a Skip to transport Sigzil, assuming he has enough investiture Before I really get started, there is a WOB that is brought up frequently in these discussions: I think the intentionality refers to the clause "at one point", as in Sigzil held the dawnshard prior to this book but after SA4. And there is no additional implication. We know that Sigzil no longer has the Dawnshard: " An after-effect of the burden he’d once carried, the thing that had given him his Torment." This is important, because it means that all the abilities Aux shows are innate as are Sigzil's. As a couple of other posts have deduced, Bondsmith surges seem very similar to Aux's abilities. Spiritual Adhesion to allow Connection between Nomad and the planet and between Nomad and Hoid. Aux can also fuel Skipping, which seems similar to how Dalinar summons perpendicularity, though Brandon did confirm that skipping doesn't require the use of a perpendicularity. So, I propose that sometime before SP4, a new Bondsmith was added to the order. We are led to believe it is possible in Words of Radiance, in Epigraph 44. The name itself is most reminiscent of the unique spren that Bondsmiths bond. Auxiliary as in "a person or thing providing supplementary or additional help and support." Makes sense that if a new bondsmith was created, that it would because help was needed. Even Sibling was created with the specific purpose to oppose Odium. Why not a 4th in the most desperate times? Not sure who would bond Aux but maybe someone we have not met. Now, Auxiliary claims to be dead. When a radiant abandons the oaths, the spren turns deadeye, and deadeyes are not vocal like Aux. So what happened? There is a WOB that might shed a little light. So, what happens to a spren that has completely melded into one with their radiant if that radiant dies or forswears? Could the mind of the radiant persist as a sub personality of the spren while the spren gains the ability to manifest without an additional bond (given that they are still basically bonded to the dead knight)? The knight's mind and the spren's body. If this is true, it would explain the odd third person dialog from Aux. It would also explain why he refers to himself as a knight. But why is Nomad a squire? He was a knight radiant last we heard, a windrunner. We do know that Bondmiths have squires: Well, maybe Sigzil, being apart of the Bondsmith's retinue qualified him to being both a squire and a knight, at least in Aux's mind. Now, what about Nomad's lack of oaths, oaths ended and forgotten. Oath's that were suppose to override part of the Torment. Lets say that Wit convinces or tricks Sigzil into picking up the Dawnshard while still bonded to his Honor spren. We know that it could cause problems and that something did/is happening with his spren because of the Dawnshard So we know that having a bond with a spren means that their essence is filling in cracks in the spirit web. Holding a Dawnshard does the same thing. What happens when those two forces start overfilling the cracks or even worse, fighting over the space. I cannot imagine anything good for the Radiant or the spren. So Sigzil and his spren mutually decide to end the bond. But, that time while being bonded and holding the Dawnshard has greatly increased his Torment. So, now lacking a blade of his own, Sigzil and Aux (now the semi-deadeye) teamup and the resonance between Aux's surges and Sigzil's investment from being a Dawnshard for a time, allow for skipping.
  10. I hope so... Normally I think they wouldn't risk the Honorblades but Szeth is pretty pissed and he's got a so
  11. Using the following quote from Syl about honorblades: "This sword gave the assassin power to use lashings, but it also fed upon his Stormlight. A person who uses this will need far, far more Light than you will. Dangerous levels of it." From what I understand, this would mean that the honorblade is consuming the stormlight, same as Nightblood, to do what they do, in Honorblades case: grant the surges to the wielder. This led me to a couple of questions: Can the honorblades be feed any kind of investiture, or are they tied to stormlight? (ex. Can a fused use voidlight to fuel an honorblade?) If Breaths can be used to power an Honorblade, could Returned kill themselves using one? And the additional, but maybe it's more related to the nature of Heralds, how did the Heralds get access to stormlight to continuously power their blades, did they really depend on gems? Or can Heralds produce stormlight as part of their perks package? (If I remember correctly Lift mentions that Nale starts glowing suddenly in one of her Interludes)
  12. So, we have this WoB from the mini-con that says that if Nightblood pulverized an Honorblade, you could repair it with investiture: So that got me thinking: If you cut an Honorblade in half with Nightblood, then added tons of investiture to both halves, could you replicate the Honorblade? Obviously this wouldn't work with shardblades, but Honorblades aren't alive, so I think it could work.
  13. Szeth-son-son-Vallano, Truthless of Shinovar, was dead. Every passing day, Szeth realized that his Truthless-ness had been dead for a long time. He'd died at the Battle of Narak, and been reborn as... something. Something not quite right. But a second chance was more than many got. Particularly more than a stonewalker like him. But that was one of the many lies he'd discovered that the Shin told him anyway. So Szeth, Skybreaker, nodded to the men around him. Dalinar's chosen. The Alethi had been hesitant to allow Szeth away from him so soon after the events of Thaylen Field, but once he'd told him about the treasure the Shin had been guarding for so many years - the very treasure that Szeth had used a part of to kill the man's own brother - he agreed to the mission immediately. He even sent soldiers and his Captain of the Guard: Kaladin, the Windrunner who'd freed him. Even if it was by trying - and mostly succeeding - to kill him. "It's time to go," Kaladin said. "Odium's forces have been close to Shinovar for some time. We need to get there before they do." Szeth nodded, checking his sphere pouches and scabbard for a third time. He couldn't imagine accidentally leaving sword-nimi behind, but doing so would prove more than disastrous. Then the two Radiants inhaled, tapped the remaining warriors, and Lashed them all towards the sky. Towards Shinovar. "I will cleanse the Shin of their false leaders," he thought to himself. "I will recover what they stole. The Honorblades. The weapons of the Heralds themselves." "Perhaps with them, we stand a chance." * * * The Shin High Council listened to the man before them speak. Rarashe-son-Lurdroler wasn't exactly the most charismatic of the Guardians, but he kept the oaths and was overall Truthful. Which made his report all the more disturbing. A man guarding the Honorblades attacked. And they were found dead and hanging from the ceiling, Stormlight running from his body. Rarashe said the attacker had fled, but they all knew what this meant. They'd lost both Honorblades capable of the Surge of Gravitation. One to the man who claimed to be a Herald, one to a man who called himself king. So this attack... it came from one of them. And if Nin-son-God was to be believed, he would never kill an innocent guardsman. There were infiltrators afoot in Shinovar. They knew of the Honorblades. And they weren't afraid. "Call for the Stone Shaman. We need a full investigation of this," said the lead councilman after a brief bout of whispering. "We can't lose our advantage." Eventually they found the main entry point on their city border: a causeway with Lashed bodies and disarmed men. There were two other points: one where a guard had vanished, another where they'd simply been strangled. Multiple incursions, although only one was a large group. So their Honorblades were under attack. Well, they wouldn't lose them without a fight. * * * Welcome to Long Game 72: The Secret of Shinovar! I, @Ashbringer, will be the GM with @Elandera as my co-GM and ________ as an IM. This game revolves around the concept of Szeth's Fourth Ideal, of returning to Shinovar and getting revenge for being falsely made Truthless, along with him and Kaladin collecting the Honorblades the Shin still have to use in the fight against Odium. I'd also like to note that while this game is a post-Oathbringer concept, it does NOT contain any spoilers for Rhythm of War unless I somehow managed to predict it correctly. I haven't read the book yet... so please keep it as spoiler-free as possible. There are two types of roles in this game, Unique roles and Honorblade roles. Honorblades are transferable; they can be passed around and upon the Bearer’s death they will go to a new player. Players carrying an Honorblade are called "Honorblade Bearers" or simply "Bearers", while the actual Honorblade uses the name of the corresponding Herald. Unique roles will be given to individual players and remain with them for the rest of the game (like normal roles) or until that player is eliminated. They are, as implied, each Unique. Basics: Honorblade Roles: Surges: Unique Roles: Order of Actions: Rule Clarifications: Signups will end December 4th at 5:00 PM PST. Please feel free to create an RP character! Most characters in-writeup will go by [name]-[son/daughter]-[name], but feel free to be a traveler from another land if the Shin naming conventions get too odd. Depending on if people are willing to be pinch-hitters I may install an activity filter, but... Edit: You must post at least once every two cycles. If you fail to do so, you will be replaced with a pinch hitter. (Or die, depending on how many pinch hitters there are.) Oh... and 1000 Posts!!! Spectator List: Player List: Pinch Hitters that I need to make an inactivity filter for: Quicklinks:
  14. no row spoilers

    So on Roshar we have the ten surges. The Heralds were given special magic swords, later known as the Honorblades, which granted them access to these mystical powers. As a matter of fact, anyone who bonds one of these blades is granted access to its surges. We also know that spren saw this, and decided they could mimic it. If a spren bonds with a human, through a process known as the Nahel bond, they can grant said human access to the surges as well, and even manifest physically as a replica of one of these swords. Jump cut to Scadrial, where we have a different kind of bond. But is it really so different after all? Sure, the powers are a little different, and you get them not by acting a certain way, but just by having the right amount of investiture in your bloodline. Remember though - something of the Nahel bond is hereditary too. No, not the powers, unfortunately, but there is a physiological difference between the offspring of a surgebinder and the offspring of anyone else. Their eyes. Okay, so what exactly is @Narcoleptic Axolotl proposing here, (you might ask yourself)? Well, I'm glad you asked. . . . yourself. . . . Whatever. I think it's reasonable that Harmony could create weapons that would bestow upon the holder all the powers of a mistborn and full feruchemist. Not totally unlike what the Bands did. You would still need your own metals and metalminds, just like Szeth still needed his own stormlight. And, just like the honorblades, these 'harmonyblades' wouldn't allow for quite the level of efficiency that an invested person can operate with. That meaning, you would have to flare your metals higher to get the same strength a mistborn has. And, while it's not clear what a lack of efficiency in feruchemy would mean, you'd have that too. Now, let's consider the last of the metallic arts. Hemalurgy. I don't think it makes any sense to think the harmonyblade would grant hemalurgic power, unless holding it made you perfectly aware of all the hemalurgic bind points. As useful as that might be, that's not the most interesting aspect of the harmonyblade with hemalurgy. We can assume that the honorblades, like shardblades, are made of Honor's godmetal, Tanavastium. (This WoB is a little confusing, but I've highlighted the part that matters.) So presumably these harmonyblades (maybe harmony-spears, given the spear's significance in Scadrian history) would be made of Harmony's godmetal, Harmonium aka Ettmetal. So, hypothetical scenario, someone's using a harmonyspear and stabs a metalborn. What happens? What attribute is stolen? Surely not nothing. We know godmetals can steal attributes: (again, you need only read the highlighted part.) Well, that's where I come up short. According to the coppermind, Harmonium is extremely reactive with water, and of course blood is like 98% water. (Disclaimer: don't know for sure about that and don't care.) So a spike made of harmonium would be pretty impractical. Maybe stabbing someone with your harmonyspear is a bad idea, because as soon as it pierces the skin, your spearhead starts exploding. Imagine that. Maybe go with a warhammer then? Maybe don't use it as a weapon. After all, its most useful aspect is granting you all allomantic and feruchemical powers. With those, you almost don't need a sword. Just go with obsidian daggers or something, that's stylish in its own way. Okay, that's all I got. Interesting stuff, right?
  15. Given that Nightblood was able to (seemingly quite easily) utterly destroy a Vessel, but only managed to nick Ishar's Honorblade, Honorblades must involve truly staggering concentrations of Investiture. Large amounts of Investiture left lying around tend to start forming minds of their own. Were Shin "given to the Honorblades" to prevent sapience from manifesting in the Honorblades, which might have possibly completely disrupted the Oathpact? Further, families share deep bonds that no random group of people would have, so perhaps having the Honorblades held by minds with deep interpersonal bonds was also serving to somehow prop up the Oathpact. Any merit to that as a possible reason for Shin families being "given to the Honorblades"?
  16. The first thing I would like the point out is that, this is something that came to my mind this morning when I was unable to sleep due to the heat in the UK at the moment, it could be very flawed and I could have had many things really muddled up. But, with everyones input and thoughts, I am sure more sense could be made out of this. Outside of the books, I must admit I am unsure with how much has been revealed from Sanderson himself, most of this could be unproven or thrown under the rug, but I think it's intersting. So, I have a theory about the Unmade, The Heralds and Honorblades. Basically, the history of the Unmade is very cloudy and in modern Roshar, their history is largely unknown. Some sources claimed there was 10 but it is generally assumed that there are 9. This I think is very interesting and quite important. There are 10 heralds, and only 9 Unmade (but there could be 10, see what I am getting at?). Ever since the Oathpact was abandoned, only 1 herald went to Braize, being Taln. This means there are 9 Heralds left on Roshar, incidentally there are 9 Unmade. I think there is a link there… I do believe that there are 10 Unmade, and even though sources indicate that they have existed on Roshar since before the Desolations, I debate how true this is (backed up by the clouded history). I think, in previous Desolations when the Heralds were trapped on Braize, they were being tormented and fighting against a specific Unmade (one per Herald, and its Voidspren). After the Oathpact was broken, and only Taln went to Braize, his Unmade went with him. Thus, 9 Unmade were on Roshar with the 9 Heralds, and 1 on Braize with Taln. [Off topic I thought of in my edit, but, the Unmade could be Odiums ‘Heralds’. We have seen the Fused use surges, maybe there are different types of Voidspren, similar to the different Spren needed for each order of Radiants: Honorspren, Cryptics, etc.] For whatever reason, the Voidspren remain trapped on Braize as long as one Herald and Unmade are present. (This I can’t seem to find a logical reason for, but I think it is important, something about a Herald being on Braize keeps them trapped, even if it is one Herald.) After Taln had given in, and returned to Roshar, everything on Braize was freed. Thus, the coming of the True Desolation. This also means I think a 10th Unmade has come to Roshar, one that has been ignored. (this backing up some sources from history that claim there were 10). This was the first thing I have been thinking on. Secondly, Moash and Honorblades. Moash killed Jezrien in a way that is unlike that in history, when a Herald got killed in history, they seemed to return to Braize, however, Moash killed Jezrian with a knife that contained a gemstone. I think Odium has been cunning in his planning. 4500 years had passed since the last Desolation, the longest time in history; this is A LOT of planning time. We don’t know much about the creation of Honorblades, and we know Shardblades are Spren that mimicked Radiant surges, but Honorblades are said to be a type of Splinter of Honor. I think however, Odium has found ways to create an Honorblade out of the Herald itself. This would be interesting, if the gemstone in the dagger Moash used has bound the herald, (also confirming this death being ‘different’), then perhaps that gemstone can be used to create a new Honorblade. And this could have interesting implications, imagine if his new Honorblade/Heraldblade?, allowed the wielder to become to new head of that order of Radiant. Imagine if, it actually allowed them to manipulate and ‘control’ the knights under that order; it would really mess up Dalinar’s plans. I feel like Moash will also be the first person to wield this. I find it too strange the Jezrien (being the order of windrunners, thus Kaladin, Moash’s ‘friend’) is the first Herald to be killed in this way. If a new kind of power is created from Jezrien, and Moash wields it, then, he could take control of the Windrunners, and if he is able to somehow influence them, he could turn them against Dalinar. And Moash being Moash, will probably try to convince Kaladin that this is the ‘right’ thing to do. Ironically, this could be what leads to Kaladin debating breaking his oaths, as what Syl and the Stormfather have been promising would happen, but this time, in a way that is ‘different’ to The Day of Recreance. Since this is the True Desolation, it would make more sense that things would turn out differently to how they have in the past, ESPECIALLY with this additional time Odium has had to plan.
  17. So. I've been wondering about ways to create Shardblades using different magic systems. So far, there's the original, the Honorblades, which were made by Honor, and grant Surgebinding to the user. There's Sprenblades, which are bonded sentient Splinters which manifest in the PR and grant surgebinding. There's dead Shardblades, which are the Blades of dead spren whose Radiants betrayed their oaths. They have the same abilities of other Shardblades, but do not grant Surgebinding. There's Awakened Blades, such as Nightblood and presumably Azure's Blade. Since there are so few examples, the only common information shared by these weapons is the requirement of Ninth Heightening, and 1000 spare Breaths to Invest the weapon with. These are the known types of Shardblades, but there may be other ways to make one. Possibly AonDor could be used on a regular sword to give it strength, sharpness, and the summoning ability, however, this might only work in Elantris, and the Blade would always exist in the PR. Another method could be pulling a Seon or Skaze into the PR fully. So Aon Blades, Seon Blades, and Skaze Blades might be possible. Scandrian Blades would be different from other blades in that they would not be supernaturally sharp or strong, but they would grant powers and/or be made of Ettmetal, so an Allomancer's Blade would have a strip of Ettmetal in the sword, or an Ettmetal hilt. This could be used with Unkeyed Feruchemy to make the Blade itself a "medallion", and therefore give the user Allomancy or Feruchemy. I'd imagine the most common Blades would be Ettmetal, with unkeyed metalminds for A-steel and A-pewter. A-pewter would let the user swing the Blade with increased power, and possibly be put into the Ettmetal to make the Blade stronger. A-steel would push an opponent's armor and weapons away in a fight if put into the Ettmetal. These abilities might mimic an ordinary Shardblade's ability to cut through almost anything. A simpler option is that the entire Blade is just a metalmind, no Ettmetal involved.
  18. So shardblades and Honorblades are essentially investiture manifesting as a solid in the physical realm. So assuming that they are both of honor then what is the difference between the actual metal of honorblades and shardblades. Is it the fact that the sprens investiture had a different intent.
  19. Me and my family are into cosplay, specifically prop making and when we made Jezrien's Honorblade and I 3D printed the windrunner glyph, I noticed something odd: The center of the Glyph for the Windrunners looks like a stylized version of Jezrien's Honorblade from the end papers of Oathbringer. Once I noticed that, I started to think, so I started looking at the Radiant Glyphs, descriptions of the Honorblades we have seen (Jezrien's, Nale's, Taln's, let me know if there are others) and comparing the two. Then the pattern started to emerge. the centers of each of the glyphs looks like their associated Herald's Honorblade. Nale's looks like a stylized blade with two fullers, much like his Honorblade. The center of the stoneward glyph lookes like Taln's, which is described as being spike-like. I am working on mapping out potential blades from the other glyphs, but I wanted to share this while it was fresh on my mind.
  20. So we know that a normal shardblade will not appear as such in shadesmar, as it will instead appear as the spren which becomes the blade in the physical realm. We also see that Vivvennas shardblade does appear in the cognitive realm because it is not a spren. So then what about honorblades? As far as I'm aware, the honorblades aren't spren, but instead some other magical stuff™. So I ask, would an honorblade be usable in the cognitive realm?
  21. I have been rereading Oathbringer and I am starting to notice a few connections between the various Moash parts that may relate to Odium's plans. First, the Fused are slowly going crazy because they have been reborn so many times. Also, it seems that the Fused do not have as fine of control over their surges as the corresponding Radiant orders. The Fused are also becoming a liability because they are being reborn at what seems like a greater rate than previous Desolations. Which means that Odium needs a replacement. Which leads us to Moash. First, the Fused are collecting Shardblades and Shardplate. Secondly, Moash kills Jezrien with a dagger that has a gem in the pommel and the wounds bleeds black smoke(similar to nightblood), we also know that the blade is functionally similar to hemalurgy. The gem in the pommel also lights up after Jezrien dies. So the blade is stealing something and storing it in the gem. Also, Odium only has nine orders of Fused and seems to be missing one for the Surge of Adhesion, which is a primarily Honor based Surge. Given that the Heralds have a direct connection to Honor through themselves which is channeled through the Honorblades, I think Odium might be trying to gain the ability for his forces to use Adhesion. Not in the Windrunner sort of way, but more like a Bondsmith. If he uses the dagger to give Moash the direct connection to Honor so that he can use the Honorblade with levels of power magnitudes larger than a Knights Radiant. Moash would then be able to act as basically a dark Bondsmith and unite Odium's forces. Which leads us to my next point: Odium wants and needs to replace the Fused. I think he wants to do this by making Voidbinding Radiants. I think the direct connection to Honor might be able to heal the shardblades long enough for Odium to corrupt the spren and then bond them to Singers or Humans. Which would give the Void Radiants less checks on their power than a Knights Radiant and more Surges and more control of said Surges than a Fused. Sure, Odium's power might burn through them quicker, but he can always get more people to bond. They could also be used to discredit Dalinar's Radiants through false flag attacks on allies. And with Moash's connection to Honor's investure, the Void Radiants could be powered without having to rely on stored investure. It would also fit with the whole Odium is the new Vorin god theory that has been floating around.
  22. So I've been wondering, what exactly would a radiant bonding an honorblade entail? For one, would a radiant actually be able to bond an honourblade in the first place? Yes they can hold it without the screams but does their bond with a spren interfere here. But if they could and were to do so, then presumably they would gain the ability to use the surges associated with that honorblade. Once they have done this, would they still face the issues Szeth did with Jezrien's honorblade? Where stormlight would leak more quickly and such? Or would those things be overcome by their status as a radiant and the powers which come with that. Further, if this were possible, then how many could one person bond? Would it be possible to have a Windrunner say who then bonds all the honorblades and becomes a mega radiant? Or would the bonds interfere and get all confused? I welcome any input.
  23. What exactly are we supposed to expect of the Heralds in the coming books? I would love to see Taln come to deal with his madness in someway, be reunited with his honorblade and lead men against the fused as he once did, but I doubt that would actually happen. So what can we expect of the Heralds instead? Are they so much of a wildcard that they will hinder Dalinar's quest? Will they help out and assist the Radants? Will they turn and support Odium? (is it even possible for a Herald to do this?) Maybe they'll just exist and not do much, but I highly doubt that. Will Moash/Vyre go around and pick them off one by one? I hope this isn't the case, but who knows. I'm eager to know what you all think and if we have any hints to base our guesses on.
  24. Hi. I don't know if this question has been asked or theorised before but I was wondering that now Jezerien is dead, shouldn't his honorblade vanish too, or because Jezerien is proper dead, will the blade remain? In the prelude to WoK, after seeing 8 swords, Kalak knows 8 had survived because: "If their masters had died, the Blades would have vanished". The term "master" I mean to think the original owner, not the current person wielding the blade. As in, if the current owner died, I wouldn't expect the blade to disapear. So I believed that when Jezerien died, the blade also went, but with Jerzerien proper dying, I'm no longer sure if this is 100% accurate. Side note. I also believe we have not seen the true power of the Honorblades. Kalak also mentions in the prelude to WoK that: "These Blades were weapons of power beyond even Shardblades" But, what we have currently seen from an honorblade is, in my opinion, a little underwhelming. So I also believe we have yet to witnesses the full power of an honorblade. Are there any WoB that answer theae questions?
  25. Throughout the Stormlight Archive, we see that Honorblades give a person Radiant powers— the ability to surgebind. Also, we know that one of the metals, nicrosil, stores investiture. Are Honorblades made of nicrosil, and is that how they give abilities to people? It would explain how people gained powers, and why they no longer have them after losing possession of the Honorblade. I don’t know if Sanderson has already answered this in a WoB, or if this is already a forum. If someone could please let me know, that would be great. If not, then... let the theories begin, I guess.