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  1. As shadbaldes are made of metal (God Metal, actually), I assume that they can be burned by an allomancer. Does anyone know what this would do?
  2. So, I've been thinking about this since I knew about Lerasium and Atium. You can see the resemblance. But I didn't give it much real thought, until I found out there's WoB saying that Sharblades are also God metal: Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) I also got confirmed that the metal that spren turn into is god metal. Footnote: Unspecified question by yulerule. Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016) And that that metal is being called (informally as of yet) Tanavastium. Moreover, there's confirmation that there's now Harmonium on Scadrial: youshallnotpass Will there be a metal called harmonium in the mistborn world? Brandon Sanderson RAFO. But good question. WeiryWriter Just an fyi but you have confirmed the existence of harmonium before. (And this is probably a RAFO, but is there a reason you didn't follow the convention of the other "god metals" and call it something like sazedium? "Harmonium" just seems out of place.) Brandon Sanderson Sazed didn't like the sound of Sazedium. /r/books AMA 2015 (July 6, 2015) Which also lets us know that there is a conscious decision from the shards in the naming of the God metals. But the part that actually got me thinking was this WoB: Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Did Adonalsium have a god metal? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] RAFO. Skyward Chicago signing (Nov. 16, 2018) I always visualized the Shattering of Adonalsium as the breaking of something solid. I don't know why. But this makes me think I'm not that far from something important.
  3. I was thinking about how larasium grants allomancy when burned, and some people talked about allomantically burning harmonium giving you feruchemy, and I had an idea: when a feruchemist stores his power into harmonium, it drains his feruchemical abilities, i.e. when he stores an attribute some of the attribute doesn't get stored and is essentially lost. unless of course you are storing into harmonium, and then eventually the feruchemist will entirely lose feruchemy. the advantage being that a non-feruchemist could tap it and gain feruchemy... (I know that nicrosil stores investiture, so my theory may be useless here, but I havent read BoM yet). ___________________ on another note: I'm also wondering... if you used a larasium hemalurgic spike, perhaps that could essentially discharge all other spikes in the person? ___________________ trellium spikes protect the owner from Harmony seeing it, correct? how is this "stolen" from someone?
  4. WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD! DO NOT READ UNLESS YOU'VE READ FINISHED THE MISTBORN 1ST AGE TRILOGY Well, let's start off with what we know about Lerasium: Lerasium is the metal that Eland burned and gained mistborn powers with after getting gutted at the climax of the Well of Ascension, which allowed him to burn pewter and survive the otherwise fatal wound. Lerasium is the god metal of the shard of Preservation, and is named after Preservation's original (post-shattering) holder, Leras. The coppermind wiki states that if you alloy it with another allomantic metal, it makes people who burn the metal into mistings of the metal it is alloyed with, though how they learned this I have yet to determine. Due to being a pure metal instead of an alloy, it is a pulling metal. Now that we've established what we know about Lerasium, it's theory time: First, let's ask some questions: Does Lerasium have an allomantic alloy pairing, or does the misting-making alloy property eliminate a need for an allomantic pushing/pulling pairing? If so, what would said alloy do? What are Lerasium's Feruchemical/Hemalurgic properties? Is there still Lerasium out there in the 2nd age, waiting to be discovered? Well, personally, here are my theories as relating to the questions: For the first question, I think that the answer is most definitely yes. It does have a pushing/pulling pairing, weird other alloys or no weird other alloys. For the second question, I think it is very probable (unfortunately), that its paired alloy removes the powers of allomancers that burn it (think of it like permanent aluminum). However it could be one of those weird pairings (like tin/pewter) that does something completely different. Like grant feruchemical abilities, for example (that would be really, really cool). As for the third question, I'm stumped. I'm not even going to try to guess until I've thought this over a whole lot more. I'll probably just have to RAFO. As for the fourth, this is a tossup. On one hand, there were boatloads of Atium (Ruin's god metal), but on the other hand, Preservation stole Ruin's body (or something similar), but Preservation's body was never stolen (or anything similar). HOWEVER, Preservation spent most of his time barely holding together, not to mention dying and being inherited by a keeper who was less than Ideal (I'm not talking about Vin. Listen to Mistborn: Secret History if you want to know who.) and could barely hold together. I personally think it's very likely, though not nearly as likely as my Lerasium Alloy theory. Feel free to discuss and thell me what you guys think!
  5. Hi! Kell here. Alright, you may be bored with my crazy theories and questions by now but I'll still post. Atium, or Ruin, can store age with as its Feruchemical Attribute and steal any power via Hemalurgy. However, we haven't the slightest on what Lerasium, or Fuzz, and Ettmetal/Harmonium, or Saze steals/stores. (Another interesting topic is what happens to a Harmonium Savant, but I'll get teh dat later in my illustrious career.) I have a few peculiar ideas, and here they are! Metal: Lerasium Feruchemical Attribute: External time/age (Like Atium, but external-Makes objects you touch age web tapping, makes them 'rewind' during active storage) Hemalurgic thing: Steals all previous Hemalurgic attributes in target Metal: Harmonium/Ettmetal Feruchemical attribute: During active storage, rewinds time at a slow rate and when tapped, time goes forward at a slow rate. Harmonium Metalminds can't store much time, severely limiting the ability. Hemalurgic thing: Steals all targets memories or steals physical appearance (like a human Kandra) Ising I excited seeing to your posting of ideas!
  6. Here's something I was thinking about the other day. On Scadrial, the metals act as a key, unlocking the power for allomancy/feruchemy. I believe the term for what they are, realmaticly, is a focus. So are the aons on Sel. If Ruin and Preservation manifested the God metals, seeing as metals are a focus, shouldn't Devotion and Dominion do the same thing with their focus? Are there god Aons? Is there an aona-aon or a skai-aon? Let me know if I'm missing something or if this is way off the mark. But for the sake of argument, lets so they do exist. What would they do?
  7. As anyone who has read Shadows of Self knows, Bleeder is revealed to have a spike made from an unknown God Metal, originating from a shard that is neither Ruin, nor Preservation. This spike allowed her to fool Harmony. There are two ways I could image this coming about. A. Bleeder used a piece of a splintered Shard, and somehow gained the knowledge to use it. This is unlikely, since there are very few that Cosmere-literate. B. Bleeder met a Shard that willingly gave her a piece of it's power to mess up Harmony. If we pick the first option, it could either be Devotion, Dominon, Honor, or the other Shard Odium splintered. Again, I find this unlikely as only a Shard or Splinter would be able to give her the knowledge to use it. With the second option, I can only think of two that could possibly cause this: Autonomy (mildly suggested by Bleeders talk of 'freedom'), or Odium. Although, I am much more inclined to believe the metal belongs to Odium, considering that it is stated to have red on it. Most other people probably came to this conclusion also, but I figured I'd write it down since I haven't seen it anywhere else.
  8. As some of you might know, I formulated a theory a few days ago about Atium. It was basically a conspiracy theory, and was destroyed quite skillfully by Phantom and Voidus, among others. I abandoned that theory and thought a bit until I came upon another idea about Atium, and it led to a general theory about the God Metals. This new theory was inspired by Isomere's theory of Shard-Metal correlation, as well as the following quote from the newly Shardified Sazed in HoA: This quote implies that almost everything on Scadrial, including the metals and the people, contain Ruin and Preservation. Atium is an exception, containing only Ruin. The quote implies that Lerasium is another exception, containing only Preservation. Before yesterday, I've always imagined Atium and Lerasium as "magic metals," not really thinking about their molecular structure, and assuming that they just work. But I realize now that I might have underestimated Brandon a bit. Brandon had said that the metals on Scadrial all have physical properties identical to those of their real life counterparts (e.g. they are also made of atoms and molecules, follow basically similar physical laws, etc.). Brandon also said that the molecular structure of the metal influences the kind of Investiture that happens from tapping, burning, or impaling with it. So, if the molecular structure of the metal is important, that means Atium and Lerasium also have a molecular structure, because they can also be used in the Metallic Arts. This means the God Metals are also made of atoms, and that these atoms also follow physical laws (at least when not being burned). We already have knowledge of the physical and molecular structures of more than 100 chemical elements. After a certain point, the heavier an atom becomes the less stable it is, so we'll have to assume that Atium and Lerasium's constituent atoms must have atomic numbers below the very unstable heavy elements in the Periodic Table. This is the first part of my theory: Atium and Lerasium are just different names for two "real life" metals or metal alloys. But how do we determine which of the many metals in the Periodic Table, or the innumerable amount of possible metal alloys, is Atium? And which is Lerasium? Isn't that an impossible task without Brandon's help? Well, Brandon did give us a clue: The molecular structure is important. This implies the following: Two Allomantic metals containing similar atoms and similar structure would have similar powers. (This explains why a base metal's power is similar to that of its alloy.) Atium only has Ruin in it, so we can assume that if we had the exact same metal as Atium but without the imbalance (i.e. if it had both Ruin and Preservation in it), it would have a power that is almost the same as Atium, except changed in a way to account for Preservation's presence. This might manifest in a change in direction (for example, Internal to External), or something like that. Same goes for Lerasium. So, think of the effects of Atium Allomancy. Is there a known Allomantic metal with the same effect, except inverted somehow? Why, yes there is a metal just like that: Electrum. Atium is electrum without Preservation. Atium is Ruin's Electrum. How about Lerasium? Well, Isomere links Preservation to aluminum, and it seems like any of the Enhancement metals could fit, but I think nicrosil fits better due to the following reasons: Nicrosil is an alloy, just like electrum. Nicrosil and Lerasium exhibits the Others/Self inversion that we are looking for. Nicrosil's Allomantic effects mirrors Lerasium in that they both grant enormous Investiture to their target. So, Lerasium is nicrosil without Ruin. Lerasium is Preservation's Nicrosil. I would also like to talk about the God Metal alloys. We know that Malatium Allomancy works just like gold, except inverted, so Malatium is gold without Preservation. From this, we can form another theory: Atium's alloys also have no Preservation in them. Or to make it more general: Alloying a God Metal with a base metal removes the other god from that metal as well. This has some very, very interesting implications: Atium-Electrum is just Atium (because electrum without Preservation is already Atium). Lerasium-Nicrosil is just Lerasium (for the same reason as above). You will not become a Nicroburst Misting by burning an alloy of Nicrosil and Lerasium. You'll become Mistborn. Nicrobust Mistings are born, not made (well, not made by Allomancy; they could still be made by Hemalurgy). A Mistborn bloodline will have to be diluted by having children with non-Allomancers before a Nicroburst could naturally appear. This makes me wonder if it's just coincidence that the next Mistborn trilogy will feature a Nicrobust Misting. Edit: Phantom kindly reminded me that Lerasium is green. This leads me to theorize that the removal of Ruin from nicrosil has a side-effect of oxidizing the metal, leading to the green color.
  9. So, I was reading the AMA again and thinking about God Metals, and something Brandon said (basically that our understanding of the god metals has some holes in it) got me thinking about how atium works. We know that Lerasium can be used by both allomancers and non-allomancers, but in different ways. Non-allomancers do not need the ability to burn metals in order to tap the fraction of Preservation's power held in the Lerasium. Now let's turn to atium. To paraphrase what another user (mooglefrooglian) said on Reddit, Allomancy is required in order to burn atium--the burner either needs to be a seer or a Mistborn. It makes sense that a normal person swallowing atium is unable to use it like a person swallowing Lerasium is able to tap into its power, because swallowing and burning metals is part of allomancy, a magic system that is of Preservation, not Ruin. So, if used hemalurgically, is it possible that atium would not need to be charged, just like Lerasium does not need to be burned in order to grant allomancy? If this is the case, it could be that hemalurgic atium, like allomantic Lerasium, has more than one effect, depending on whether it is used within the magic system (with sacrifices, blood, and the whole works) or if it is just made to pierce the skin. The one hole in this theory is Shardic intent. It makes sense that Preservation's power can be given to anyone, since Preservation's intent is to preserve as much as possible. Ruin's intent is subtractive--compelling the holder to destroy and reduce things to smaller and smaller pieces. Hemalurgy requires sacrifice because it suits ruin's intent to concentrate power in the hands of fewer individuals. So, allowing for potential hemalurgists to gain power without sacrifice by using uncharged atium would be contrary to Ruin's intent. The only ways around this hurdle that I see are a) that the effect of using uncharged atium for hemalurgy does something that suits Ruin's intent in the same way that creating Mistborn fits with Preservation's intent, or b ) that utilizing the god metals outside of the magic systems allows the user to tap into a fraction of the shard's power, regardless of intent. Personally, I like option A better, but what do you guys think? Thanks for tolerating my musings .
  10. I was wondering if there was a way to artificially generate Lerasium and Atium. this question come from the fact that everything (except humans) on scadrial contains equal amounts of ruin and preservation, I was wondering if there is some way to separate the two powers that is contained in say, a rock, and condense them into equal amounts of Lerasium and Atium.
  11. So, from what I can piece together... The god metals result from a body breaking apart from the sheer power of a Shard, and they form the following: Gas/Spirit Aspect - The willpower and consciousness of the holder, able to be anywhere the atmosphere can spread. Liquid/Cognitive Aspect - The subconscious and full skill potential of the holder, absorbed easier than water into a human. Solid/Physical Aspect - The limited, but usable raw material of the holder, in handy bead form. The ways each of these replenish are rather interesting. The Well of Ascension, for instance. (Please, don't be shy about goofs or overreaching speculation - if I'm wrong, I'm wrong) Magnetic North itself, right? And it was a plug on top of Ruin's spirit aspect, hence Ruin's body had to dribble out through the ground. Why did Preservation collect as a liquid and Ruin as a solid? Why are beads of lerasium bare and atium inside large geodes? Did Preservation merge with the planet's crust? My theory, yes. The geodes are a protective layer against mutual annihilation of both elements. A magnetic north lerasium well and magnetic south atium well don't quite make sense, as Ruin's mind would not be trapped by the Well. But this may have been the original balance of the planet. The whole thing has so many what-ifs and RAFOs it can make your head spin. But this raises the curious possibility of what the south polers may have been doing when faced with the scientific curiosity of a world where the north and south poles may have both been on the opposite side of the planet.
  12. I love mistborn, and having read all of them at least thrice, I began having some questions that bug me whenever the metals they revolve around even pop in my head. So, here we go: 1. Lerasium makes Mistborn. Could Atium make Feruchemists? (a thread by Windborne Sword, paraphrased) 2. I hate Nicrosil. You store INVESTITURE*? It just seems so ambiguously useless. (*investiture=magical power/ability (like the AonDor/breath and the ability to infuse, burn or store attributes)) 3. I wanna see a Lerasium ferring and a Malatuim one. They are SO STORMING CRYPTIC! 4. Copper's cool. I mean, yeah. It is quite cool. But what in the name of Cusicesh do you get from compounding it? 5. When your metalmind is full and you continue charging it, does nothing happen, or does the attribute just go to waste? These probably should go in the Q&As, but I want your thoughts first.
  13. Let's have some fun! There are 16 metals in Allomancy, and 16 shards. Atium replaced the temporals metals with itself (a temporal metal of greater effect), because Preservation felt it should do so. Ruin was notable for not being able to see into the future well at all, but Atium let people see the near future very clearly. Using these facts, let's extrapolate! Assumptions: Each Shard's metal would replace one existing metal The shardmetal's effect would be superior but of the same basic type to the one it replaced The effect of the shardmetal should be some weakness of the shard, not their strength Atium replaced Electrum in effect, but took the place of Bendalloy (External, Pushing) which is opposite in that quadrant. Hemalurgy is more of an external pushing magic than an internal pulling one, so that corresponds So, in that case.... Tanavium Would replace the Internal, Pulling, Physical metal; Tin Tanavium grants the user a sense of absolute presence sense within an area, and the expanded mental capacity to comprehend and sort it. When burning Tanavium, the user would have complete positional and sensory knowledge of all objects, people and animals within a concentric spherical zone, with the knowledge becoming less precise the further away from the Allomancer they are. Honor is great at making bonds (mental), good at fixing people (enhancement), and decent at seeing the future (temporal). So his weakness is physical. He tends to do things internally (Nahel Bonds) and he pulls (inhales and attracts) rather than pushes Aonium Would replace the External, Pushing, Mental metal; Brass Aonium allows the Allomancer to dampen all mental affiliations to other things and people, effectively forcing a person to be unable to think about those things. An Aonium user could create an extremely focused (devoted ) person by dampening all thoughts except on the subject desired. Or they could dampen a specific subject, such as yourself, making you effectively invisible to that person as it would become impossible for them to think about you. Aona is great at making regional magics (physical), good at making enhanced Elantrian people (enhancement), and unknown at seeing the future (temporal). But the Aons and other programming languages are the ones that require the most specific cognitive input from the user, so that is Aona's weakness. Aona works mostly externally (glowing things and extra mediums like soulstamps and permanent aon writings) and pushes (affects other things more than the user) Skaium Would replace the Internal, Pushing, Mental metal; Bronze Skaium allows the Allomancer to not only sense any nearby usages of investiture, but flare or dampen them as well as sense and distinguish them. Flaring would act similar to nicrosil, while dampening would act similar to chromium, but more controllable. While you could not control the type or effects of the investiture, this would allow you to prevent being attacked by other allomantic abilities from a distance, or to enhance them, though with a finer grained detail. The abilities would be thwarted by a coppercloud. The allomantic strength of the user would determine how far you could seek, and how much you could dampen/flare their abilities (which would also be function of distance as well). Skai is great at making regional magics (physical), good at making enhanced Bone monks (enhancement), and unknown at seeing the future (temporal). But the Bloodsealing and Dahkorness both create/require things of lower than average intelligence (skeletals, fanatics =P), so mental is again the weakness. Skai works mostly internally (using blood, making zombies and adding bone growths) and pushes (magics affects other things more than the user) Endowmenteel Would replace the Internal, Pushing, Physical metal; Pewter Endowmenteel when burnt grants the user enhanced strength, speed, durability, health, and the enhanced mental capacity to control it in the form of skill. While active, the user has enhanced physical attributes of all types, heals quickly, and has an instinctive knowledge of his physical capabilities, similar to Kaladin when he holds Stormlight. The stronger the strength of the allomancer, the greater these capabilities. Endowment is great at giving powers (enhancement), good at seeing the future (temporal), and okay at increasing mental capacity (mental). Awakening and breath both give relatively few physical advantages, so physical is the weakness. Endowment works mostly internally (Breath) and pushes (breath effects the outside world, and awakening imputes itself onto objects) Cultivatium Would replace the External, Pulling, Physical metal; Iron Cultivatium not only allows the user to pull any metal towards them, as if attracted by a magnet to their center of gravity, but any object. It obeys the same general rules as Iron, except metal is not required. The strength of the pull is related by how close to metal the substance is - metal pulls VERY easily, and much more strongly than Iron. Stone and other non-organics pull well, dead organics pull poorly, and live organics very poorly. Cultivation is great at seeing the future (temporal), good at granting boons probably (enhancement), and the boons have strange mental effects often (mental). This leaves physical as her weakness We don't know how endowment works, but all the internal metals are taken, so it will have to be External, and cultivating seems more pulling, so we're gonna go with that. Bavadinium Would replace the External, Pushing, Enhancement metal; Nicrosil Bavadinium when burnt by an allomancer would have the unexpected effect of surging the spirit web of another person the Allomancer is in contact with. This ability would increase the allomantic abilities of the subject permanently - snapping any unsnapped allomancers, pushing practiced allomancers into savancy. In addition, any existing allomantic metals would surge compounded with the energy burnt from the Bavadinium user, causing a multiplicative nicrosil effect to take place. Strong Bavadinium allomancers would be able to cause single mistings to rarely gain a second misting power along with the above effects (usually one adjacent in the allomantic table) at a very low power. This is often dependent on the individual sDNA of the target. Flaring Bavadinium could occasionally force the awakening of an unbalanced Mistborn, with partial savancy as well as a broken spirit web with damage similar to hemalurgic effects. Bavadin's weak area might be Enhancement. I'm gonna say... External and Pushing Raysium Would replace the Internal, Pulling, Enhancement metal; Aluminium It's fitting that Odium should get the cosmere-strange Aluminium as his metal, though I did not have that in mind when I analyzed his abilities. Raysium, when burned, destroys an Allomancer's investiture, scattering and damaging it beyond repair, turning the Allomancer into an ordinary person, even possibly a slightly spiritually damaged person depending on their allomantic strength. Flaring Raysium would take the person to a similar level of spiritual damage as being hemalurgically spiked, without the accompanying physical trauma. Odium is great at seeing the future (temporal), good at making evil monsters (physical), and plays a lot of mind games (mental). Enhancement is what remains, right? We don't know how Odium works, but judging by all the monster unmade he makes and their abilities, such as death rattles, thrill, corrupted spren, parshendi void forms, etc... I'm gonna say his abilites are Internal and Pulling.
  14. We all know that during the time of the Final Empire, Atium was harvested in the Pits of Hathsin. The harvesting had a peculiar quirk: Allomancy cannot be used in the vicinity of the Pits, otherwise the Atium geodes will shatter. The Steel Ministry had to process the harvested Atium geodes first and convert them into Atium nuggets before Ruin's body can actually be used by metalborn. I think this fact, that Atium geodes shatter upon contact w/ Allomancy (Edit: perhaps just external Allomancy directed at the geodes), is very significant. I believe that it happens because Preservation's power negates Ruin, and so Ruin's body (i.e. Atium) cannot endure the presence of Allomancy. We know that Mistborn can use normal Allomancy without destroying their precious Atium reserves, so I began to wonder: What miraculous process was the Ministry using to make Ruin's body usable in Preservation's power? What made Atium nuggets different from raw Atium geodes? (Edit: Almost everything above seems suspect now. I'll just leave it there for future reference.) I remembered another peculiar thing about the Atium nuggets that were used during the Final Empire: Its Allomantic effect is just like that of Electrum, except you saw other people's shadows and not your own. And I remembered Malatium, the alloy of Gold and Atium, which was just like gold Allomantically except it, again, showed other people's shadows. Then it hit me: The Atium being used in the Final Empire wasn't pure Atium at all! It was an alloy of Electrum and Atium! That's why the "Atium" no longer gets destroyed. The Steel Ministry alloyed the pure Atium with an Allomantic metal (in this case, electrum) and this made it Allomantically stable. (Edit: there's a lot of good arguments why the Lord Ruler and his Ministry didn't do the alloying themselves. Also, I no longer think that Allomancy is dangerous to Atium.) This explains the Allomantic effect of burning this "Atium" and why it seems similar to Electrum. It had electrum in it! It could also explain why Malatium was the only other Atium alloy known during the Final Empire. Due to the chemical properties of silver and gold, it would have been easier to discover the silver component of Atium-Electrum (leading to the discovery of Malatium) than its gold component. Without removing the gold, the other Atium alloys couldn't have been discovered. If our Brandonology experts declare that the above theory doesn't contradict WoB, then I plan to discuss other theories regarding Atium alloys. Meanwhile, I'd just like to list quickly some minor theories based on my thought process above: Pure Lerasium cannot be used in Hemalurgy. Trying to pierce a person with a Lerasium spike will shatter it. (Edit: this might have contradicted WoB) Lerasium alloys have Hemalurgic properties. Atium's alloys have a similar (but non-identical) Allomantic effect to that of their non-Atium component. (Edit: it is said that all Atium alloys are mental-temporal. I don't know what this means regarding the 8 remaining physical/enhancement base metals.) The "Atium" used to Feruchemically store Age is also the Atium-Electrum alloy. That's how it can be Compounded. Edit: Alloying a metal that is already an Allomantic alloy produces an Allomantically-pulling alloy. This new minor theory is based on Phantom's comment below. Edit: Since an alloy typically has a similar power to that of its primary metal, this suggests that the alloy of Atium and Electrum has more Electrum in it. This is good, because it allows for a more efficient use of rare Atium. ​Edit: Given the difficulty of assuming that the Lord Ruler and the Ministry were alloying all the Atium they collected, I'm beginning to suspect it was Leras himself who did it, perhaps as another way to keep Atium away from Ati. He told Rashek about it, of course. It's possible that Sazed hadn't learned of this yet when he wrote the book he'd given to Spook. Since Leras is now out of the picture, I suspect pure Atium will appear in the future, giving people the chance to experiment with this God Metal and create more Atium alloys. Edit: This theory is officially "Skaa's Atium Theory #1". I no longer subscribe to this theory, and am currently working on "Skaa's Atium Theory #2", which will be incorporated into a bigger theory on the God Metals, and which will appear in another thread later.