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  1. Hey Guys, So I’ve had an idea in my head for a while now and I haven’t seen anything on the forums regarding it. So I figured I should at least bring it up. I apologize if this has been discussed previously, I couldn’t find it anywhere. Lets start with some facts: Hoid is refered to as the “Bearer of the First Gem” in one of the letters. Gems can hold stormlight, a form of investiture Gems can also hold beings of investiture of varying sizes (spren and Unmade) The Unmade, Splinters of Odium, was contained inside “Kings Drop”, a perfect gem the size of a child’s head. Now for some speculation: What is to say that if someone was to have a large enough gem (I realize that it gets unrealistic to a point) they could potentially contain a whole shard. As I imagine that the Unmade hold a non-trivial portion of Odium’s power and a child’s head doesn’t seem TOO big considering the vast power. In the very first letter Hoid states that “the element” is safe. When compared to the later letters this could refer to the first gem. But why would Frost care if the gem would be safe unless it has vast importance and that specific individuals would want to destroy it. The only thing I can think of that would make a gem interesting enough that a shard would refer to it as a type of title would be if it were VERY large. Well or if it held some special type of investiture, but we haven’t seen investiture being special in this manner before. I recognize that it could be a title, but I feel that Brandon wouldn’t bring up something like that in this manner if weren’t a physical or real object. So could Hoid possess a gem, the size and cut so large that it could be a prison for a shard? Could the reason that he believes Rayse would level a very important city if he even suspected Hoid was there is not because he’s just been incredibly annoying to him, (or not just) but because he is the sole bearer of a “weapon” that can imprison a god or a piece of a god? Could it already contain one of the six shards we don’t know about or a piece of one? When your talking about volume of a 3 dimensional object if you increase the radius it will increase the volume by n^3 times. So if its 5 times as big (like a small boulder) it will hold 125 times more. Though that doesn’t take into consideration exactly how much larger a shard is than its splinters, or how it would possibly be created and cut I think the idea still stands as an interesting possibility. What do you guys think?
  2. in the epigraphs of WoK the writer, presumably Hoid, states Given that this letter is most likely written by Hoid, and Hoid is thought to be the bearer of the first gem, it is safe to assume at this point that the element is the first gem. This quote leads me to assume that the first gem currently resides WITHIN Hoids body. We know Hoid has incredible regenerative properties, and according to a WOB somewhere that Hoid is ridiculously hard to kill, hiding the gem inside himself may have been seen as a relatively safe hiding place for it.
  3. Do we have any idea what the First Gem is? I tried looking on the Coppermind and couldn't find anything substantial. This question specifically arises from the second of the Oathbringer Letters, where the author of the letter (Presumed to be Autonomy/Patji) addresses the receiver (Hoid) as "Bearer of the First Gem." If we then look at The Second Letter from Words of Radiance, we see that the author (Presumed to be Frost) asks the receiver (Hoid) whether he has "given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead?" I think it seems safe to say that both are referring to the same Gem. We also know that Hoid is known as Topaz, due to "the large gem stone he wore a long time ago." All of these seem to indicate that Hoid is carrying a gemstone, one that is known by those who were involved in the shattering of Adonalsium, and that it is important enough that once can address Hoid (who has many remarkable feats) simply by the fact that he is the bearer of this gem. The Gem is most likely as old as the shattering, or older. The Gem is either a topaz or of similar color and clarity, (I currently lean towards the latter) and is currently "dead." What constitutes the Gem being alive is unclear, although I would propose that the Gem is magical in nature, and so the gem's "death" is, at the very least, that the gem's magic is no longer active. It seems that Hoid is rather attached to the Gem, as he continues to carry it with him across worlds and through millennia, even though it is now dead. Not only is Hoid actively carrying the gem, but he seems to be actively trying to restore or use the gem, even though it is dead and individuals as knowledgeable as Frost believe that it is a lost cause. In fact, Frost's statement to Hoid that he should give up on the gemstone now that it is dead seems reminiscent to me of their interaction in The Traveler, where Frost tells Hoid, "You will not find a way to restore what you have lost...it is impossible." Hoid then responds to this stating that "You don't know that, the old rules no longer hold" and following up with "This isn't...just about the dead." This interaction, much like their discussion in the Words of Radiance letter, revolves around Hoid having something that is "dead" and Hoid not giving up on it. If we are to make this connection (which, admittedly, seems tenuous at best) we can then surmise that the gem's death is more than just a loss of power, and that the gem had some form of sentience or sapience, (as evidenced by the way Hoid responds to Frost) and Hoid is indeed actively trying to restore the gem to life. Lastly, I would propose that the First Gem was instrumental in the shattering of Adonalsium. Admittedly, this has no real evidence other than the fact that the other individuals involved in the shattering seem aware of the gem, and seem to have a measure of respect for the gem. I would however believe that from a writer's standpoint, referencing the first gem as an item from before the shattering does not seem to hold thematic weight unless it has an impact on the storyline from that time. I've looked a bit for references to the First Gem and haven't found anything more substantial than vague references. I'm hoping someone more knowledgeable will be able to fill me in.
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