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  1. I posted this comment in an old thread, and I was told that it's better to start a new topic in such a case, than revive an old thread. So I've just gotten to the point with my pre-ROW reread (the Dalinar flashbacks about the sacking of the Rift), and once again, I'm baffled by this conundrum. There was a discussion about why Sadeas was or wasn't really in league with Tanelon, or was he really just framed. So why Sadeas DIDNT do it: Sadeas was loyal at this point, presumably he still considered Dalinar a friend, and even if he wished to move against Gavilar or Dalinar, it makes no sense to do it this way. Joining one fledgling highprince against Gavilar is foolish, and the idea of Sadeas being loyal to Gavilar is rocksolid. Now he could have wished to move against Dalinar for multiple reasons, but having him killed in a battle/ambush is a bit strange, and very risky. Tanelon did hate the Kholins and it makes sense he just wanted Dalinar dead at all cost, and framing one of their closest allies in the process just fits the bill. Why Sadeas DID do it: There is a traitor highprince, this is confirmed by multiple sides. There isnt anyone else there, or even mentioned before/after the events. It makes no sense (narratively) that an unnamed off-screen highprince was supporting the Rift, who then gave up on the idea. I guess Tanelon could have started this rumor himself, which gotten to Gavilar's ears as valuable information from a trusted spy, but that s a bit convoluted, plus what was his endgame, if he had no allies in this? Coax the Kholins into an attack, maybe kill Dalinar with the ambush and then... die or at least get conquered again? Sadeas arrived early. Dalinar says this when he's limping back to camp after the ambush and thinks it good fortune. It's a bit convenient that Sadeas arrives early, moments after Dalinar's supposed demise, to take control of the armies and make an example out of the rebels, what he advocated for from the start, but Gavilar refused, and seemingly Dalinar was unwilling to do either. Sadeas's viewpoint was reinforced multiple times in the flashbacks, starting from the early day, right up to the beginning of the siege and during. Make an example, slaughter cruelly, because that sends the right message, and means less trouble down the road. Dalinar has a change of heart even during the sacking of the Rift, before he finds out about Evi, he wants to send the stand-down order, but Sadeas tells him there's no way, he already set fire to the city from the other end as well, and shot down any who could flee with archers. He was really committed to not leaving any loose ends. There are supposed traitor scouts in Dalinar's army, bribed by Tanelon, who helped setting up the ambush. Ok, sure, it's possible, Dalinar ran a good army, and Tanelon wasn't very strong or influential, but these things can happen still. But what happens to them? Sadeas reports to Dalinar upon his arrival at camp, that they've already been dealt with "we bribed one to turn on the others, and executed the rest". Ok, that's suspicious AF, Sadeas concluding the investigation instantly, by bribing one and executing all the rest. I should think you'd want to find out how and when they've gotten turned, who are their contacts, torture them for information and punishment. Bribing one, then instant execution of the rest seems like serves one purpose, cover his tracks. Sadeas was in a much better position to get to a unit in the Kholin army, than Tanelon. When Dalinar admits to Sadeas that he fell for the "trick" and believed Sadeas could be the traitor, Sadeas seemingly tries to reassure him, saying that he thought Dalinar could turn on Gavilar. So there is the motivation. Sadeas was loyal, but only to Gavilar. He liked Dalinar well enough, but he was a rival and getting stronger, and he was afraid not only that his own position with Gavilar is overshadowed, but that Gavilar himself might be attacked by Dalinar, or hurt in some other way. Other tidbit: The throwaway comment about the rockslide, and Gavilar naming Sadeas as one of the potential employers of the Assassin in White in the prologue. So what did I miss? Are there WOBs about the Rift? Could the "bribed" scout be alive, the one who actually knows what happened? EDIT: typos and phrasing
  2. What do we think the purpose of Lift is for Cultivation? Personally, I think Cultivation is experimenting with fueling the Radiants herself. With Honour murderized, and the Stormfather prone to crying and feeling scared, it makes sense that Cultivation would need to see about fueling her Soldiers using a different form of investiture. This is risky buisiness because fueling Radiants will probably weaken Cultivation is some way, and who knows how much investiture she's splintered off of herself so far. ANother thing to consider is that the Stormfather seemed mighty peeved that Lift even existed, so maybe Cultivation had been held back from doing this while Honour was still kicking around? The Stormfather raged "She goes too far this time", as if this was stepping on the toes of Honour's purview. Do you think Lit is a one-off hail-marry for Cultivation, or do you think Cultivation plans to make/breed more Caloric Radiants? Should we expect and army of Chodwda Fighters, or is Lift the one and only secret weapon?
  3. In Polish translation of the epigraphs both author of the first letter and Uli Da are reffered to with feminine pronouns. Cosmere First post, just wanted to share this so you can make more accurate theories for my entertainment.
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