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  1. dead-moth

    wither

    From the album: threnody stuff

    I love shadows for silence in the forests of hell so much. Hold on tight, Silence. It won't stop the withering but at least she won't die alone
  2. The general consensus about the force coming at Scadrial is either Odium or Autonomy. Here's an alternate idea: The red haze Sazed showed Wax and red-eyed faceless immortals are related to The Evil that caused havoc on Threnody. Support for this idea: In MB: SH we see there being a connection in the Cognitive Realm via the Ire that the Threnodites may be coming toward Scadrial. Three hundred years later, perhaps The Evil made its way from Threnody to Scadrial (or almost to Scadrial) and is causing trouble there. It seems like a weird coincidence that Brandon mentions the Threnodites at all in MB: SH, unless there's a connection to the story. Miles Hundredlives was under the influence of something. Since SH shows the Ire (most likely from Sel) and a risk of Threnodites, to me the something would be related to one of these places. If the red haze/red-eyed faceless immortals are influenced by something from Sel, to me it's likely related to the Svrakiss. Interesting idea though, what if the reason the Ire are so worried about something coming from Threnody is because they know the Svrakiss came from there in the first place? Sounds awfully similar to shades to me (with cultural references added in to make it religious). Not that they're the exact same thing, but similar. Whatever The Evil was/is, it created an issue with the afterlife on Threnody, which is why shades float around everywhere. This could be a result of The Evil's ability to put a barrier in the Cognitive Realm, preventing souls from moving on to the Great Beyond. The red-eyed faceless immortal that speaks with Suit at the end of BoM says that he can "serve in another realm." Perhaps The Evil is starting the same kinds of mischief that it caused on Threnody. Disclaimer: It is completely possible that Odium was The Evil on Threnody, but I find it very unlikely that Autonomy was. Let the story overlapping begin! It's beginning to look a lot like cosmere! =)
  3. Let it be known that I'm so excited about the essays that I haven't even read Edgedancer yet (even though Stormlight is my favourite series). We got some lovely information from Khriss that clarifies so many old questions. I have a few main theories that I want to bring up, that I know some people have already tossed a few of these around, but well, I'm just so excited I needed to make my own thread. Sorry, not sorry. Selish Observations Scadrian Observations (Secret History spoilers as well as Arcanum Unbounded) Taldain Observations Threnodite Observations Drominad Observations I have to go for now, I'll continue later tonight with the Rosharan system, Silverlight, and some theories I've got about all this new info. Thanks for listening to my ramblings. Time to do a complete cosmere reread and hunt for clues.
  4. As always I will begin with a short version of the Theory. Then I put the meaningfull fact and the extended version. The theory has some spoiler from Shadow for Silence in the Forest of Hell and Mistborn Era 1. Short version: The Evil that killed everyone in Threnody's Homeland was the Shard Ruin (held by Ati). Relevant point: - Shadow for Silence novel take place between Mistborn Era 1 novels and Stormlight Archive. - there is a WoB about the Evil to be related to Ruin - Threnody and Scadrial have the same "star pattern" visible (the Starbelt). - Threnody seems to have a Invested's Silver. - Threnody is a minor Shardworld and therefore there isn't any Shard on the planet. Extended Version: The first point to make clear about my Theory is that I suppose that Scadrial and Threnody are in the same Solar System. We may speculate this from the "Starbelt" visible from both the Planet and the Invested Metal. Of course Threnody is a Minor Shardworld and this meaning that any Shard that came on it had no resistence at all(it's relevant for future points). I think that what happened on Threnody is the result of the Ruin's year-of-freedom between the Well of Ascension and his death at the end of Hero of Ages. Ruin's intent was about destroy everything. His quest on Scadrial in the book was to find a portion of his former power to overpowered Preservation and shout down Scadrial. It must be stressfull to him. Be on a planet and be stopped by Preservation everytime. Therefore he focus his attension on Threnody a planet close enough to may extend his influence on him while he was heavy invested in Scadrial. On Threnody he begin his destruction and the people call him the Evil. At that time Leras was quite mindless and mechanicaly stopped all the effort of Ruin on Scadrial. But I suppose that he was not so flessible to try to stop Ruin in Threnody (Ruin was probably stopped when Leras died and Kelsier take his place). But if Ruin was without Preservation, why didn't he simply destroy Threnody in a moment? Because He can't, he was Heavy invested on Scadrial and if he Invested his power on Threnody, Preservation may overpowered him. Therefore he put together a "calamity" that kill everyone that didn't escape from the Homeland. The exile arrived to the Forest, found the Shades that are part of the Threnody's Natural-Investiture (not create by Ruin) and began to build a new life here.Without know that the Evil was gone. After the Harmony's birth, he may send a help to the Threnody people and give to the Threnody's Silver an ability to Preserve aganist the Shades. The last part may be a willing choise of Harmony or a simple mix of Threnody Natural Investiture and the Influence of Ruin&Preservation Investiture through the Metal-focus of Scadrial (also the Simple Rules seems to be relate to Entropyc's Ruin). We know that the people comes to the Forest of Hell something like 3 generation ago because the Silence's Grandmother is among the first to arrive to the Forest. And we know that the novel take place in the 300 years between the HoA and tWotK. Therefore also the time are quite possible. Well this is my theory, good reading
  5. How does any form of magic happen on planets with no shards? How is there any investiture? I would understand if the two planets had the exact same sort of magic, but they are different enough that there has to be two different things going on. What are those things that are different if they are not shards?
  6. In Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell, silver that makes contact with a shade is ruined. It turns black and crumbles. My question: is the ruination a natural process (turning into silver sulphate, or silver bromide, for example), or is the silver transmuted into another element, alchemy-style?
  7. Is there such a thing as a former major shardworld? As far as my understanding goes, A major shardworld is a planet with an active shard or a splintered shard or two. While a minor is one like Threnody where there is no shardic influence just the planets "natural" magic. Could a planet have had a shard on it at some point in time, but then it left to go and cause destruction (or create life) elsewhere?
  8. Trell is a shard we have seen before. Threnody does not have a shard on it, but it may have at one point. I propose that this unnamed shard wanders the cosmere destroying planets. Its metal is a spike that brings spiritual things to the physical, like spiking shades turns them into physical beings (red-eyed faceless immortals). This theoretical metal could also explain quite nicely how Kelsier got his body back. In the BoM broadsheet, the main story of (Allomancer Jak's woman friend, whatever her name was), she was fighting a guy who had a gun that charged from green to red, and then disintegrated a window. This might be weaponized threnodian technology. Using a story in a broadsheet as hints about future books has precedence (stories about encountering masked savages in the SoS broadsheet), and when Main Character Girl goes back to investigate the wreck of the skycar she is met by a "thin, white haired, young guy" who asks her some slightly mocking existential questions (Hoid?). The only way Hoid? could be included is if this story is based on actual events (the only reason to pay attention to a fictional newspaper story).
  9. Okay, with some new information and WoB, I thought I'd gather all my thoughts into one place and make this a proper theory: Threnody was a Shard. This all started when I stumbled over the word "threnodic", describing flowers that might be used at a funeral. The immediate rush to the dictionary produced this definition: Threnody (n) A song or poem that expresses sorrow for someone who is dead. or A song of lamentation for the dead. This clear nod to an emotion brought to mind the quote from the letter in WoR, regarding Odium as "God's own divine hatred" and what Odium has been up to. We know from WoB (question 32) that Odium has Splintered more than just Devotion, Dominion, and Honor: LEIFTINSPACECan you write in one of my books about something we don;t know about the Shards, or at least one of the Shards? BRANDON SANDERSONOdium has killed at least one more Shard than the ones we know about. So, we know that at least one aspect of Adonalsium's emotions became a Shard: his hatred. And that an unknown Shard has been Splintered. So operating under the hope that Threnody was named for a purpose, I asked at the Denver Calamity signing: Q: Was Threnody named in memorial for someone? A: Yes it was. (With a big smile on his face.) So there's that. This would seem to imply that whatever it was named for died before it was settled, or at least that it died before the current civilization as seen in "Shadows For Silence in the Forests of Hell". At that point in the timeline, we know that something is messed up in the Cognitive Realm, hence the situation with the Shades. We know one other world where things are wonky in the CR: Sel, where Devotion and Dominion were splintered. Add my final assumption (or prediction, if you will) that if Adonalsium Shattered into Shards that included an emotion (Odium; divine hatred), it may have included more than one—Threnody; divine sorrow or divine lamentation. The conclusion is that, at some point, Odium either splintered Threnody on another world, and the cataclysm forced the people there to move worlds, settling on and naming Threnody after the Shard; or he visited Threnody, then unnamed, and splintered Threnody there. If it is the former, I think the people who worldhopped would have used the unstable Investiture post-splintering to fuel their worldhop, and that is what is currently mucking things up in the Cognitive Realm. If the latter, then it is a similar situation with Sel, where the splinters and Investiture stayed at the world, but are causing havoc in the CR.
  10. I've just started listening to SSFH again and these very first sentences jump out at me. This almost sounds like a description of a worldhopper. This is the first time I'm reading this novella in awhile, so please enlighten me if we have some good theories about what this may be referencing!
  11. I always tag stuff of interest as I do my first read-through of a Cosmere work (part of why I love my kindle is how easy it is to pull everything up in one place and do instant cross-referencing, something that has definitely helped me tease out some hints I would've missed otherwise.) Here's two paragraphs I tagged on my first read-through, before I read Secret History (before I even read the end of BoM): This jumped out at me on the first readthrough, and now it seems even more glaring considering what we now know about Kel's state as a voluntary cognitive shadow. Until now I've assumed that the Church of the Survivor was just a sort of Cosmeric joke on Kelsier, worshipping someone who would totes hate being worshiped. But now we see that the church actually got some facts about Kelsier shockingly correct. It makes me think (especially since we now have a WoB that he has a whole sequence of Secret Histories planned) that Kel is actually using his church as a tool. He is selecting his most dedicated followers, and having them survive the same way he did. He greets them as they enter Scadesmar (sorry, couldn't help it, but you know what I mean, Scadrial Cognitive Realm) and before they have a chance to move on, he gives them a chance to Survive - survive the same way he did. It seems likely he even has a way (or at least a plan) to reinhabit the physical realm someday. ​This also makes it suddenly make more sense - to me, at least - why Demoux, of all people, is (Way of Kings Spoilers) He was the ORIGINAL Survivorist. He was espousing Kelsier's ideals waaaay before it was cool. He makes perfect sense to be the first of Kelsier's followers to follow his example, even in death. So, my question is - why is the Survivor building an army of cognitive shadows? ​I don't know the answer, (I suspect we won't find out the answer until the sci-fi Mistborn series) but I do know that when the Ire thought there might be an army of cognitive shadows coming their way from Threnody, they kind of freaked out. And those cognitive shadows we're (as far as we know) united in purpose and following an incredibly charismatic and psychopathic leader. Just sayin'.
  12. Between the general worry of those extremely old (or perhaps extremely new?) Elantrians and the second (as far as I know) on-screen appearance of Nazh, I feel like Threnody HAS gone ahead and officially joined the Main Stage of the Cosmere, despite the opinion of Alonoe (BTW, could you HAVE a more Aonic name, sule?). This is interesting for a lot of reasons to me, but the timeline is of particular interest, as we see that Nazh is certainly alive at the same time as the Shades. This would seem to me to indicate that Nazh is quite old at, probably from the Homeland days of Threnody. We know that Shadows for Silence only took place a couple of generations removed from the settling of the Forests, but it seems that there are enough Threnodite cognitive shadows that the Ire keeps forces patrolling the border, and carry a specific anti-Threnodite device with them on their trip. We also know that Nazh was around during the Shaod period of Elantris, which was set a long time before the events of The Final Empire. Does this seem correct to everyone else? And is everyone else as excited to see more Threnodites as I?
  13. The Ire mentions Fortune, with a capital F. It sounds like a Shard to me. - Location 1389, Kindle Are we absolutely positive that there is no Shard on Threnody? I haven't read Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell because I didn't think it was important in the greater scheme of the Cosmere. I suppose I need to rethink that position now. Also, who is Senna? Whoever she is, she's likely the bearer of a Shard. Preservation mentions her. -Location 823, Kindle Maybe Senna is the holder of Fortune. Maybe she's someone totally different. Why do I assume she's a she?
  14. In my research to gain info on the ten major planets within the Cosmere, I found a fairly major flaw with the Coppermind wiki page for Ashyn and the unpublished Cosmere work The Silence Divine. It says on the wiki page that the book is set on Ashyn. If you follow the link to the post user "theofficetroll" is quoting from a Q&A session about the Greater Roshar system. Brandon states "Odium's presence is felt on Roshar, but he is on Brayse, the 3rd planet in the system." theofficetroll asks if that Shard is on The Silence Divine, a confusing question. Brandon answers a different question, perhaps misunderstanding the question: "Oh, you mean Ashen. Ashen is mostly barren with small fertile patches." Brandon meant that Ashyn was the third planet in the system, not that the Silence Divine takes place there. Perhaps he thought the asker was confused as to the identity of the third planet he had just made mention of. To confirm that this is actually a mistake, Words of Brandon (compiled) x 2 comes to the rescue. Therein the question and answer states: Q: Does the Silence Divine take place in the Cosmere? A: It does, it takes place on a planet called Threnody. There is no shard on that planet however. The magic is more something you interact with, not something you perform b/c there isn't a shard there. So there's no shard on Threnody, but it's still considered a Minor Shardworld. Interesting. I do not know how to make changes to the wiki page, so I'll leave that to you fine gentlemen. Unless I'm entirely wrong.
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