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  1. ***contains some spoilers for band of mourning, the emperors soul*** hello all i think this topic has been talked about before in terms of the link between soulcasting and forgery. however after i read the bands of mourning another peice of the puzzle slotted into place. My theory is that shallan being completely unaware can use her soul casting and connection to cryptic spren with her drawing ability to change a persons identity. For this im using Gaz and maybe Yalb as a example. Shallans Memory skill might come from her bond with the cryptic spren. They are described as being a infinite spren trying to see the truth of things (whenever i imagine pattern i always think of some ever changing fractal pattern), when i think of truth i think less of 'truth and lies' but more the mathematical, spiritual, cognatve and realistic truth of the cosmere. I think her Memory ability is part of this glimpsing the truth of a object's/person's reality in all three realms. i think she is able to hack into an object or persons idenity and seperate it and modify it. When she draws she is able to use the physical action of drawing to manifest this change. In this section she describes the charcol,page,and other tools as blood,sinew,skin. interestingly enough these terms are in the ars arcanum besides the heralds. Therefore important to all magic systems in the cosmere. As shallan is activley thinking of these in those terms it is having a reaction to her drawing in the cognative,spiritual realms as well. In Bands of Mourning we find out that a object/persons identity can be manipluated and changed when the Kandra are talking to the wax and wayne gang. Although they are talking in terms of investiture changing its not a long stretch to think of the process as working bidirectionaly, investiture could be used to change a persons identity. we see this with Hemalurgy and forgery for instance. In The emperors soul Shai tells us how Forgery works. Using a phsyical object (marks) and having to know the memoryand history of a object/person to change its identity. I believe when Shallan uses her drawings she literally is able to trim of a part of a persons identity and modify it. whenever she draws a person she has come in contact with she draws a positive aspect reaffirming and strengthening part of the person which was always there and undeveloped.In Yalb, Talakv and Gaz and her other guards (cant remember their names now ) she was drawing braveness and confidence and in likenesses that where different from the people that they had become. I believe when she shows these pictures and drawing to the people themselves, the idenitity within the drawing that shallan had cut and augmented and transformed instantly reaches out and rebinds with the orginal person. As Shai says when forging an object in the cognitive realm is how it is viewd and how it views itself and will always try an exist as a whole. In the novels whenever these peoples glance upon their drawings of themselves they always take a while like Gaz, Jasnah ect, this isnt them admiring the artwork this is the time which their souls are being repaired and changed with shallans transformation ability. when we last see Gaz in words of radiance he seems different and changed this could be due to shallans transformation seeping through his spiritual and cognative self and changing his outlook and self perspective. However i could be wrong as other theorys go and this could be a kandra in disguise.
  2. We know that the gem determines what kind of thing you can Soulcast. It's obviously true in Soulcaster fabrials but I have seen either in text or in WoBs things that suggest it's also the case with Radiant Soulcasting. The question is: why? Once the Stormlight is breathed in it's indistinguishable from Stormlight breathed in from another type of gem. And of course if a Radiant walks into a highstorm, they would be able to replenish their Stormlight directly from the storm itself. So there are no gems involved but the situation is not fundamentally different as it's the same Stormlight anyway. It's very confusing and I can't wrap my head around it. If somebody knows any qoutes or WoBs explaining this, please post. My searches have been unhelpful in that regard. EDIT: elevant WoB(s): (I swear I've seen more)
  3. Of the 10 orders of the Knights Radiant, seven are named after surges: Windrunners- Gravitation Skybreakers- Division Bondsmiths- Adhesion Elsecallers- Transportation Lightweavers- Illumination Willshapers- Cohesion Edgedancers- Abrasion That leaves three orders: Dustbringers Stonewards Truthwatchers that aren't named after surges. It also leaves three surges: Growth/Regrowth Transformation Tension that don't have a specific order focusing on them. Renarin (truthwatcher) states that he "sees things." That makes me wonder, do the other two orders have special powers too, or is it just a cool sounding name? Interesting note, Windrunner's order name focuses on gravitation, and Lightweaver focuses on illumination. Kaladin's book focused on gravitation, and Shallan's focused on illumination. Tell me what you think below.
  4. Why exactly soulcasted food has no flavor? Is it only tasteless or odorless too? I remember that the jam Jasnah tried to Soulcast tasted terrible - but it HAD taste. It was not tasteless. What is going on here?
  5. What happens if you cover a hemalurgic spike in soulcast blood? Here's my theory: First off, we know from SoS that covering a spike in blood transfers powers hemalurgically, and that investiture is intrinsically linked to perception. If a radiant were to soulcast blood right onto a spike (atium, in this case, because it holds everything), what would happen? Because perception has so much power, I think that it would be as if that person's blood covered the spike. A person spiked with this would thus gain control over two surges. If someone else were to use a soulcaster, it would still be their blood on the spike. This might have other ramifications, but basically, soulcast blood is a replica of the blood of the soulcaster. What do you think? EDIT: as many have pointed out, I misread SoS, and so thought that covering a spike in blood (completely) was the same thing as stabbing someone.
  6. So we know that it's difficult to impossible to awaken something that wasn't, at some point living. How does this apply to soulcast bodies on Roshar? Would an awakener be able to reproduce Kalad's Phantoms on Roshar without having to use bones as a focus in the statue, since, before the soulcasting, the body had been alive?
  7. The king's soulcasters do their work at night or otherwise try to stop people from watching their work. It's generally assumed this is because they want to keep their work and methods secret. Maybe also to hide the appearance of the soulcasters themselves. What if they have a more practical reason - it's harder to soulcast with a lot of people watching? Soulcasting takes place in the cognitive realm, which is effected by the minds of people in the area. Could a lot of people watching an object anchor it more the way it is?
  8. So in WOK when Jasnah soulcasts the rock into smoke to save that little girl her smokes stone cracks and is drained of stormlight. Also in her other soulcasts she uses the corasponding spheres to preform the soulcast. My question is do you guys think this is necessary even as a surgebinder or that she was only doing it to look legit, or perhaps a surge binder can soulcast with any type of stormlight but is just more efficient when using the right spheres for different soulscasts. It takes less stormlight to turn something into smoke with a smoke stone then a sapphire or what ever. Your thought...
  9. In Chapter 5: Heretic, of Way of Kings, we see Jasnah Soulcasting for the first time. She did it because Coincidentally, a Large part of the ceiling had fallen in, blocking off the room with Taravangian's Granddaughter stuck inside. Is it at all possible that Taravangian was trying to determine is Jasnah was one of the Knights Radiants? We know he's willing to sacrifice thousands so long as Humanity survives. He seems like he'd be willing to sacrifice his Granddaughter. Speaking of which, are his Wife or children ever mentioned?
  10. Excepting a non-human Roshar natives... I had a thought. What kind of biology does soulcasted blood have. It would be odd if you could use safely in a pig or a cat as you can a human as seen with Jasnah healing Shallan. Now if you can soulcast blood that can work within a human circulatory system and regrowth can do such significant healing as we seen. It seems to me that surgebinding is strongly align to human biology... So does that mean that soulcasted meat is idealized human flesh? We know that soulcasting has limits it can't be anything to specific or to customized, otherwise the warcamps would have non-identical buildings for barracks and the like. So unless soulcasting can chose what kind of meat (generic chicken, beef, crab etc) you're making which I'm guessing aligns very similarly to blood creation I strongly suspect that incidentally all Rosharan humans who imbibe the synthetic flesh are actually cannibals. Sort of... Edit: So if you've found this thread. Congrats. Someone was actually brave enough to ask if this was true in a WOB
  11. I've been wondering about this lately. We know it's not possible to Soulcast gemstones, but magic systems from different worlds can often exploit loopholes (like Zahel using Stormlight instead of Breath). Is it possible to make metals for use in the Metallic Arts using Soulcasting? One thing to consider would be if metals on the other Shardworlds have the same link to Preservation that they do on Scadrial. We see Hoid using Allomancy in WoR, but he could have got the metal from Scadrial.
  12. While re-reading Way of Kings, an idea popped into my head. When Jasnah soulcasted Shallan's blood, did she remove all of Shallan's immunities? Does this mean Shallan will get deathly ill without stormlight? Is this question completely irrelevent? Have at thee!!!
  13. While re-reading the Way of Kings, the mugging in the alley scene got me thinking. Words of Radiance showed us that soulcasters offer stormlight to objects so that they can change their cognitive view of themselves, changing their physical attributes (I think...). My question is can you forcibly change someone's perceptions using soulcasting? We know the night watcher did it to the "I see everything upside down" guy from the interludes. Can you go further and make someone obedient to you via soulcasting?
  14. Alright, this is my first theory here. Be gentle! I think it's possible that all the orders of the Knights Radiant has access to Soulcasting along with the other Surges granted by their particular order. This stemmed from the scene where Kaladin is learning to do a Basic Lash and sees Shadesmar. This bothered me and I kept thinking about it, concluding it may be possible Soulcasting to occur for other orders. This is a bit strange. It seems to imply that viewing Shadesmar was the reason that Kaladin was able to start performing the Basic Lash. But this would be inconsistent with all the other non-Soulcasting surges we've seen used for the first time in the story. Kaladin didn't view Shadesmar when he did either of the other two Lashes (Reverse Lashes while running bridges and Full Lashing when sticking the sphere pouch to the barrel). Nor did Shallan view Shadesmar when she started Lightweaving for the first time. But for some reason, Kaladin sees it here. I believe he was so metally focused that he inadvertently crossed Realms, however briefly. His experience is also very similar to Shallan's earlier in the book. Shallan hovers between the Realms, much like Kaladin did. Kaladin sees Shadesmar but still is aware of Sigzil talking in the Physical Realm. The only two people we've seen Soulcast are of those two orders, but it's possible that it's simply a coincidence that the two who have Soulcast have access to the Transformation surge. Based on this, the requirements for Soulcasting seem to be visting Shadesmar while holding Stormlight, finding the object you wish to change, persuading it to change (be it through truth, logic or some other form of persuation) and offering the object the Stormlight as fuel for the change. All of those steps appear to be able to be accomplished without a bond to a spren that would put one in the order of Lightweavers or Elsecallers. We've made the assumption that the surge of Transformation is Soulcasting. It's even in the Ars Arcanum that way. But that document is written from the perspective of someone in-world and probably shouldn't be taken as an absolute truth (though it's probably fairly accurate in most, if not all, aspects). This would seem to imply that Soulcasting is one of the surges in the chart. But I don't think it necessarily means that. If you have access to surges, you would have access to Soulcasting due to being able to visit Shadesmar while holding Stormlight. This would mean that Soulcasting is still a subset of Surgebinding while not necessarily being a specific surge. This does, however, leave the question of what the Transformation surge is if it is not Soulcasting? It's possible that I'm way off here. If I am, it still begs the question of why Kaladin briefly slipped into Shadesmar when learning to Lash.
  15. Inspiration for this idea goes to xbauks. So, everybody has been looking for the Shardpools of Roshar's splinters. But think about this. Within greatshells, gemhearts can be found. Gemhearts that grow very slowly and, though they renew, can be used up. These gemhearts can be used to do extremely powerful soulcasting. I think these gemhearts are a strange form of Shardpool. Perhaps they are Cultivations, since they seem to grow within creatures that have to age and live first. I don't know, all speculation. But I really like the idea that gemhearts are shardpools.
  16. I'm going to take you through my complete thought process here. It's not long, and it's not very intellectual, but these couple ideas kept me busy for around 10 minutes, so... I was thinking on the "Soulcast air into bridges" topic, and what it really means if you can Soulcast air into things.... considering it is everywhere. Unless you are having a space battle, that's pretty over powered, hahaha. Then I started thinking "What if someone tried to Soulcast the entire atmosphere around Roshar into.... well it wouldn't really matter, because any material would doom the planet. That would be a really villainous thing to do, however obnoxious that storyline would be. They'd have to hunt for some huge gemheart that could handle Soulcasting like that. Oh my gosh it would be the Bowl of the Winds quest all over again." But you wouldn't really need a huge gemheart, would you? You could probably just bring standard gems (or however Soulcasting KR take in Stormlight) into a hightstorm and have like infinite Stormlight. That is on such a huge scale that it sounds like you could poke 1 bajillion holes in it, but what if instead you just walked into a highstorm and Soulcast the storm itself into something?! Picture Jasnah in armor walking into a highstorm and Soulcasting it into food ( I like to think it would be pot pies) and then literally eating the Stormfather. Hey Brandon, if you ever need a co-author/idea man, private message me and we can exchange phone numbers.
  17. So, in the philosophy of identity, there's a bit of a discussion as the extent to which "things" are part of us. How much is your homeland or house or favorite book a part of who "you" are? To what extent can you claim them as an extension of your self, a part of your identity as a person? Now, as I've said before, philosophy actually matters in the cosmere! There's actually an interesting discussion to be had as to whether objects gain some "sympathy" with their owners (oh, that is interesting...), but that's not what I'm looking at today. No, instead, I will look at clothes!!! You see, it turns out that (I think) your clothing is a proper part of your identity in the cosmere, at least to some extent. At least some magics operate on a level at which affecting "you" means also affecting your clothing. Examples: 1. Jasnah's combat-soulcasting. When she soulcasts the thugs, she wipes them out completely, clothes and all. She doesn't turn a man into a statue with clothes on it, but everything from hair to boots into crystal. This implies a deeper level of connection between clothes and identity because we already have fair reason to believe that soulcasting works on the level of "objects" by default: A goblet, an entire stone, etc. Shallan's blood when she was poisoned is an oddity here, but we might be able to explain that away as either Blood being an essence or Jasnah making a special effort there. 2. Lift's "Slick". This one is the one that caught my attention, actually. Lift, it seems, includes her clothing in the effect whenever she goes "Slick". I scoured the interlude to make sure that it wasn't just her bare skin, but at one point she slides full-body across the floor, so that suggests (unless she was secretly nude the whole scene) that her clothing is included. And she's not exactly a master of skill and subtlety, so I doubt that she included her clothes "on purpose" by some extra effort. In fact, I'd wager (just because) that Edgedancers can only actually "Slick" themselves, not necessarily their surroundings, which would lock in clothing as part of the self. --- This isn't 100% at the moment. For all I know, Lift makes a special effort to include her clothing and/or soulcasting is entirely based on the soulcaster's perceptions of what an "object" is. I'm inclined to believe, though, that instead people's Cognitive aspects possess a (very very weak) perception of their clothes as a part of them, and that at least some magic systems are sensitive to this perception. This might mean that clothing is included in Basic Lashings, for instance. Thoughts?
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