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  1. Block

    Returning

    In Warbreaker they say that the Returned come back from the dead, but how does that exactly work? We see that highly invested beings can sometimes be visited before they die, is that what is happening?
  2. So I was thinking about the time Sazed (as Harmony) offered to put Elend and Vin back in their bodies, after fixing up their bodies. If he had done this, I wonder if this would be similar to making a Returned, and if so, what piece of Investiture would be glueing the Cognitive Shadow to the body? Also if so, would all Shards be able to do this, or just some? I theorize that Ruin can, but not Preservation, since Kelsier pins his Shadow to a body by using a Hemalurgic spike, which uses Ruin's power. Theories on this?
  3. When someone comes back to life as a Returned, they naturally appear as a "perfect" version of themselves based on their own perception and their society's perception. Even if it would be hard, it is possible for a non Nalthian to Return, so if a Koloss-blooded person were to Return, would/could they turn into a full Koloss but without needing any Hemalurgic spikes due to their perception of them and their society's perception of them? And vice versa, if a full Koloss that was unwillingly made into one were to die and become a Returned, would they be able to reject their spikes and live as a human again (okay, a Returned human, but you get the idea) due to their perception?
  4. So Hoid can't hurt people, or seemingly even animals. But what about these things. I figure he still wouldn't be able to hurt Returned, since they still have a normal soul, and I suspect awakened objects would be fine, he can likely harm objects, and just because they are invested with a command likely wouldn't stop that, and I would expect the same would be true for lifeless, but it's a bit harder to say, but they are called "lifeless" after all. But type 4 biochromatic entities is a tricky case. They aren't alive in the way normal things are, but they are definitely sentient. (Also Nightblood is basically invincible but this is hypothetical)
  5. The divine Breath of a Returned seems to be very weird. When it is given away, it heals the person instantly, and yet the person doesn't instantly hit the Fifth Heightening. Is all the Investiture used up in the healing? Could it really take 2000 Breaths worth of Investiture just to heal a tongue. Or does Endowment make it so that the Investiture is returned to her after the healing. I also wonder if a Returned with 2000 normal Breaths could survive without the divine Breath. Any WoB or theories on any of this?
  6. It was stated in a WoB that a Cognitive Shadow like Kelsier could theoretically Bond someone on Roshar, and we have another WoB that says a Seon Bond taken to Roshar could allow the person Bonded to them to gain powers, albeit different ones from what Surgebinding normally grants; Basically, this got me thinking that a Returned could potentially form a Bond with a human and grant them powers, though the powers manifested would not be the same as those found in traditional Surgebinding. It would be almost like a mini-god granting a blessing to their mortal follower or champion .
  7. Has Brandon Sanderson ever mentioned if a Returned would need the same amount of breaths to reach higher than the 5th heightening? By default all Returned are 5th heightening (equivalent to 2000 breaths), so to reach the 6th (equivalent to 3500 breaths) would they need an additional 50 (the number of breaths needed to get to the 1st heightening), 1500, 3499, or somewhere in between? It is stated in the text that only Returned have reached the upper heightenings, is this because they need fewer to reach them or because they have more time to get there?
  8. I was wondering, if a Mistborn is returned, will they still be a Mistborn? Also, if a Radiant returns, will their Nahel bond persist? (I suppose we don't know if the bond breaks when they die or when they go to the Beyond)
  9. We that having the fifth heightening grants immortality. First, is this a basic property of investiture (I assume it is) Second, would a radiant with a constant stream of stormlight also be immortal. (yes this would be very hard to do) perhaps a Bondsmith could somehow allow them to draw directly from Honor/Cultivations investiture *(Biological immortality)
  10. As you all know if you've read Warbreaker (as you should have if you are on this forum, I'd think) we know that Returned need to feed on a source of Investiture about once every eight Nalthian days or they perish. We also know that they can feed off of Investiture of other Shards than Endowment, such as Stormlight. But what are some other ways they could do this? Most in particular, could a Returned Hemalurgically spike someone, take their Innate Investiture and then breath it in and feed on it? Would they need to spike it into their body and use it up automatically like they would with Breaths?
  11. Had to related what-ifs that may be possible and I'm not sure yet on the scope of the ramifications. What if Returned had a security phrase known to Endowment and anyone that she decided to divulge that information to? What if Nightblood or Azure's sword had security phrases? What would or would not be possible? Did Shashara have more control over Nightblood as the Awakener, or did Nightblood operate about as we've always seen? Thoughts? If these are possible there could be some pretty terrifying reveals.
  12. It's been mentioned by Brandon that Vasher has a way of getting Stormlight into himself that's different from how Squires, Radiants, and people with Honorblades do it, and that's how he's keeping himself alive on Roshar. I have a theory about how he does it. So, my first thought upon seeing this was that he swallows the gems. A bit blunt, but we see that in Mistborn, having at least a part of something inside you makes the object act as though it were Invested due to your Spiritual Aspect. That idea went out the window nearly as soon as I'd thought of it. Swallowing the sphere doesn't suffuse its Investiture into your soul, which is required for what Vasher is doing. Besides, things in your body resist Invesiture more because the presence of your SA is interfering, rather than the object becoming part of your SA. After that, I landed on a much better idea. Vasher can, as a Returned, have access to the first 5 Heightenings whenever he pleases. One of those Heightenings is perfect pitch. What if Vasher collects a mound of Stormlight-Infused spheres, then sings Honor's Pure Tone, loud or intense enough to the point that Stormlight actually leaves the spheres and enters his body? That way, the Investiture will have actually entered his body and soul properly, which he could feed on to stay alive, and it's something regular people can learn (As evidenced by Navani). It seems to tick all of the boxes Brandon outlines in the WoB. I have some questions though. Would having Stormlight in your body that way trigger Stormlight healing, even a bad version of it? If a Scadrian learned to replicate this, could they burn the Stormlight similar to the Unkeyed Dor in TLM as a hyper-efficient replacement for metals without needing a Spren bond?
  13. On at least some parts of Nalthis, Returned are seen akin to vampires, draining the life from the living to sustain themselves. We know that Returned appear more in accordance with how they see themselves and how society sees them (WoB and other WoB), so would one of these Returned be less like a superhuman in appearance and more like an actual vampire? Plus, the whole increased physical speed and strength lends to the vampire theme as well. Now I actually really want to see Returned from other cultures on Nalthis and how they are different from the Hallendren Returned.
  14. Here's a hypothetical scenario: you're a Returned who is Cosmere aware, but has been kicked off of Nalthis. Permanently. How do you find Investiture to feed off of? And yes, Stormlight from Roshar is the easiest way, so let's say that you also somehow managed to get kicked off of Roshar by Cultivation as well. Does anyone have any ideas as to how they could obtain other sources of Investiture to feed off of? Here's a few of mine: 1. Go to Scadrial, learn about Hemalurgy and drop all your morals (or become a vigilante and only become morally grey- another word for dropping all your morals ). Proceed to Hemalurgically spike someone, then feed off the Investiture as it seeps out of the spike. Basically become a Cosmere vampire. 2. Go to Scadrial and convince the Malwish you are the Sovreign and get them to create Nicrosilmind Medallions to feed you as you please. 3. Go to Sel- don't get vaporized by the cognitive plasma-storm along the way- and find a Forger to rewrite your past to say you never died. Then consume the Investiture from the Forgery. Reapply Forgery as needed. 4. Go to Sel, find Elantris, beg a bit of AonDor from a charitable Elantrian and become their servant for the next two hundred years as they sustain you. 5. Go to Taldain...realize that all you need to do is sunbathe on Dayside. If that doesn't work, eat White Sand and hope for the best.
  15. So I just had a crazy thought that I'll probably turn into a Fanfic one day, could Endowment Smite someone then immediately Return them? And manipulate their Vision so that they'd see only what she wants them to see? I'm just thinking about if Endowment decides to get involved with the greater Cosmere, this could be one way to do it, with an army or a whole organization of Returned loyal to her, doing her bidding across the Cosmere. Of course, this probably won't happen but still, I think it's worth thinking about.
  16. Let's say you're holding a thousand Breaths, then you do something stupid and get ded'ed. Then Endowment flips a coin or rolls a dice or whatever and decides to rez you. What happens to the Breaths you were holding? Do you still have it and thus won't die in a week or does it disappear?
  17. Do you guys think a kandra could Return in Nalthis? Would this restore the kandra to their original human form if they haven't been a kandra for long enough? If they have been a kandra for thousands of years and the Return keeps them that way, what would happen? Would they still need spikes to stay sane? Would they still need bones (Returned have some control over their shape)? I would like to know what kind of resonances would happen, in your opinion, or if it's even possible.
  18. Is a Returned's soul or Spiritual aspect made up of their Divine Breath, or is it attached to but still separate? If their Spiritweb is separate, could you use Hemalurgy to staple their Cognitive Shadow back into their body after they gave up their Divine Breath?
  19. If a Returned were to be transformed into a Steel Inquisitor, would the minor physical alterations made to their body by having so many spikes (greater height and a gravely voice) be possible to negate by their own perception of self?
  20. If someone died heroically, was made into a Lifeless immediately, and then Returned... what would happen? Is this possible?
  21. Luckspren

    Re-Returning

    If a Returned dies in a heroic way, can they Return again?
  22. Been meaning to ask this to Brandon directly, but then I realized I could probably just post it here and get some great feedback! Does the process of Returning affect the subject's Identity (in the realmatic/investiture sense)? If, hypothetically, a feruchemist were to store something in a metalmind, then died and Returned, would they be still be able to tap that same metalmind? Or would their Identity have changed, making them essentially "unkeyed" from it? Similarly, if a Returned became a feruchemist and stored something, would that metalmind be inherently unkeyed?
  23. So I had a thought while answering another thread. I wonder if Returned could heal injuries by thinking them away. We see Vivenna altering her personal appearance including adding a scar to her face as a disguise. The scar goes away once she drops the guise, so adding and removing that kind of "injury" is within Vivenna's and presumably Vasher's abilities. I wonder if a Returned could convince themselves that they hadn't been injured even though they really had, if they could heal themselves by reasserting their perception of a undamaged body. We see Kelsier's Cognitive Shadow get beaten up until he's on the ground expecting broken bones, but the pain is a function of his mind thinking he should be hurt. Would this be something only a Returned or one of their descendants could do? Any thoughts? It's made me wonder for a while now that the Investiture specifically noted to be tied to life is the worst at healing, with the only major case being when a Returned uses their Divine Breath to heal someone. For crying out loud Vasher deliberately dumps BioChroma into people he intends to immediately kill.
  24. My brother and I were contemplating different theories for the Cosmere, two steps away from donning full tinfoil hats when he said something that I hadn't thought about. We were discussing Navani and what's next for her, trying to think about things that were repeated throughout RoW. A problem that Navani has is that she isn't a singer, so she has to really work at getting the correct pitch with Raboniel. Right before this, we had discussed Zahel and how Brandon had mentioned that he will get to what Zahel was doing - prompting me to ask the question "But why is Zahel is Roshar of all places, from a literary standpoint?" ... then he said it - Is the endgame for Zahel to, one way or another, end up giving Navani his breaths - thus enabling her to obtain perfect pitch? Sorry if that has been mentioned before, it was an "OH GOD" moment for me, and wonder if anyone else has anything to add to supplement, or debunk, this theory. Thanks!
  25. When a Feruchemist taps their metalmind, I'm pretty sure that their weight doesn't change, even though their muscle mass does. When a Returned shrinks or grows, does their mass/weight stay the same?
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