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  1. I've been thinking about this for a while, and I have an optimistic theory about Discord that I think is counter to the general community's consensus. I believe that Discord is what Sazed believes himself to be, rather than what he truly is. To explain myself further, I think it's pretty clear that Harmony/Discord is 1 shard, rather than 2 shards in one vessel. The 2 intents have combined, which is indicated by Harmony's godmetal being it's own separate thing rather than an alloy of Lerasium and Atium. I recognize that this itself is debatable, but I think I think it meshes best with the themes of Era 1, and with the idea of adonalisium itself. The shards are shards of Adonalsium, and when you put two together you now have 1, larger shard. Anyway, I propose that Sazed actually believes himself to be Discord, and that is what is causing his schism. This meshes well with his character in HOA, where he was very distraught and divided on who he was as a person. So now that he is a shard, I believe he is more unsure of himself than ever. I believe this is what translates into the properties of Harmonium, for instance. We know that Harmonium has its unstable properties because of the ruin and preservation within it fighting against each other. I don't think this is indicative of two shards in one vessel, but rather that Sazed believes in that war within himself. I think this is supported by the experiments done by the set, where they were only ever capable of annihilating the Harmonium, never separating it. Only Wax managed that, and it was only because he has the specific intent to do so (similar to ROW). My other main argument is intent of Discord itself. If Discord is the combination between to opposing shards like Ruin and Preservation, then this wouldn't be limited to just that combination. Mercy and Odium, for instance, could create Discord. We also have reason to believe that every shard comes with it's own opposing intent, so any combination of the two could create Discord. Meanwhile, Harmony could really only be created by Ruin and Preservation. Take Odium and Mercy. A supposed combination of the two could create a "harmony" between them, but I don't think you would name it Harmony. More likely it would be Restraint, to have godly anger but the mercy not to lash out. Harmony refers to the harmony of the world, to not destroy or maintain, but to have both together. To destroy the old to make way for better things. However I believe Sazed is worried that he can't actually be that harmony. I think he sees the conflict within himself, and extends that to conflict in the shard. He is worried about harmony, and tends to slip into simple preservation, not doing anything and hoping everything works out on its own, fearing anything else to be disharmonic. In effect, his definition of Harmony is wrong, that perhaps it means for any good thing to occur, some equal amount of bad must come with it. And because he doesn't want anything bad to happen, he fights against what he believes Harmony is, hoping that the intent won't push him to destroy when he doesn't want to. While in reality, he fights against Harmony itself, which creates the Discord between himself and the Intent of the Shard. Essentially I think Sazed needs therapy.
  2. Hey guys, I recently got a MidJourney (AI Image Generator) subscription for a university project and I have a few extra images left. If you guys have any ideas for cool Mistborn art you want generated or scenes you want visualized, give me the prompt I have to give to the AI and I'll post the result here.
  3. So, when I read how Midnight Aether works, the Luhel bond that is formed, and how that requires water from the person maintaining the bond...I admittedly didn't make the connection immediately, but after finishing TLM, getting to the Ars Arcanum, and remembering what Bendalloy does Feruchemically, I thought of something. How The Sorceress got so much Midnight Essence on her side...that has to be something related to Bendalloy, infinite reserves of water through compounding or something similar (because Bendalloy can, according to the text, store fluids as well as nutrients from normal food), right? What I'm wondering is how she waa able to even do that, since she's an Elantrian. An unsealed bendalloymind could give her the feruchemy, but compounding needs Allomancy, and I doubt that she's spiked or a mistborn. Is there something I'm not considering here, could she hack it with Aons somehow, ???
  4. Ideas? The main song should be on trust, but I'm having trouble thinking of good poignant lines.
  5. Allomancy was always on a downwards curve, starting from Rashek’s Ascension. There aren’t even any known Mistborn in Era 2. But it does make me curious about how many Mistborn there were in the early final Empire, when Allomancy was stronger. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the only thing we really know is that Mistborn were used to hunt Kandra. I also think it’s fair to assume the highest amount of Mistborn at one time would’ve been somewhere in the first few hundred years. The sweet spot where the nine original lerasium Allomancers had the most Mistborn descendents but before Mistings began to appear more often. For those of you who know population dynamics, any estimates for how common Mistborn might have been in the early Final Empire? I know there’s a lot we can’t know for sure, but I’m curious to know the math.
  6. I was wondering something, I have always found the mecahnics of steel pushing somewhat vauge when I read, so I wanted to ask a couple questions. First, when you are burning steel you can see the blue lines, when you push on these lines does it take more steel? if not, can you just push on a ton of different objects to create a higher total net force out of a small amount of steel? Second, I have heard contradicting things on this, does the weight of the allomancer effect the strength of the push at all? if so does it just make the push stronger for the same amount of steel, or does it allow you to use more steel to push harder? Third, in the books it mentions that larger objects have larger lines pointing to them, and are easier to detect from further away, does this mean you can push harder on these large objects. At a longer range? and if so does this require a greater amount of steel, or does it just become more effeciant? Thank you!
  7. Brandon deserves his own coin! And why not take a shot at pushing a coin to the masses. Now i know someone here understands how to do this....
  8. So we see that people (with practice) can change bendalloy/cadmium bubble size. Does this mean that coppercloud size could be changed? And would it use less metal/be more powerful because it is more concentrated?
  9. I'm making a mistcloak and my husband asked if I could get the allomantic symbols embroidered onto it. I'm looking for an already digitized set for an embroidery machine. Does anyone know where could find something like that?
  10. MISTBORN SPOILER Hey everyone, I was wondering about Sazed's (allignment?). Im sure it's a common topic if Sazed is really Harmony or Discord. We know Lyras used up / killed / lost part of Preservation when he created the humans of Scadrial / broke the contract so technically Preservation is lesser than Ruin? However, both powers have been described as basically infinite so I am not sure this even matters. I was questioning if we have any evidence or solid ideas if he ever sneakily changed some scripts or other stuff, like Ati used to do. We know he allowed spook's book to be "known" but that might be a completely rewritten version. I am just sus of Sazed because both Kel and Hoid avoid him like the plague. [ ]
  11. In this episode, we discuss, well, maybe a single word about Harmony. Big Lost Metal spoilers on this one! Our cast today is Eric (Chaos), Ian (Weiry), Evgeni (Argent), and Rosemary (Kaymyth)! We're back to weekly podcasts for a bit, at least through December. Thumbnail is by Connor Chamberlain: https://coppermind.net/wiki/File:Harmony_(Connor_Chamberlain).jpg 0:00:00 Intro 0:02:41 Discord 0:11:30:06 Splitting God Metals 0:15:17:15 Harmony's autonomy 0:23:01:11 Shards working towards the same goal? 0:24:46:20 Harmony Splitting 0:27:40:12 Era 3 Theories 0:42:51:12 Kandra 0:54:34:29 Ghostbloods vs Harmony's agents 01:01:14:21 Trell blinding Harmony 01:11:03:23 Harmony's Sword 01:24:14:10 Harmony into Discord 01:34:02:00 Hybrid Lights 01:41:08:11 Ars Arcanum 01:45:44:06 Why he will be loved as Discord 01:49:54:04 Final Thoughts 02:01:30:14 Who's That Cosmere Character If you like our content, support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/17thshard For discussion, theories, games, and news, come to https://www.17thshard.com Come talk with us and the community on the 17th Shard Discord: https://discord.gg/17thshard Want to learn more about the cosmere and more? The Coppermind Wiki is where it's at: https://coppermind.net Read all Words of Brandon on Arcanum: https://wob.coppermind.net Subscribe to Shardcast: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:102123174/sounds.rss Send your Who's That Cosmere Characters to [email protected]
  12. Hey everyone. Please move this topic to the relevant subcategory, can't really make up my mind where it belongs. I'm trying to get a ltattoo based on the Mistborn stories but all the tattoo artists I checked with haven't read the books yet. So I'd like to check if I find anyone here with drawing skills who'd be willing to help me with the design that I can then get to the tattoo shop. Thanks in advance! /Andrea
  13. I wrote this song after being inspired by the books. I wanted to create something somewhat melancholic, but hopeful. It is jazz fusion, so if you're not into that you might not find it interesting. I hope you enjoy it. My wife did the drawing. I think she did a great job, so I'll post some of the others she did as well.
  14. Per WoB, we know Spook was not made into a lerasium level Mistborn. However, there should still be one area Spook is more powerful in. In both Hemalurgy and Lerasium, we know duplicating a power makes it stronger Shardlet If Vin and Elend hypothetically each blindly ingested equivalently sized beads of lerasium, would Vin be a stronger Mistborn than Elend, or would they be equal? Brandon Sanderson Yes, Vin would be stronger. It is additive, not just an overwrite. Firefight Seattle UBooks signing (Jan. 6, 2015) So in theory, Spook should have extra powerful tin. One from his natural Tineye abilites and one from the Mistborn boost. Unless Harmony took away Spook’s original ability completely before making him Mistborn, but that seems unlikely. Not a big game changer. Tin isn’t like brass or bronze, where having a higher power level has an obvious benefit. But it would be a nice fun fact if Spook’s bloodline had a little stronger and longer Allomancy than it would otherwise. Though Era 2 is as low as Allomancy gets, so it maps the same either way. Either way, I think it’s a nice minor detail.
  15. I've noticed a few typos in 'Mistborn: The Well of Ascension,' and I wanted to share my favorite with you guys; feel free to add your own as well! I don't remember which page it was on, but somewhere in the book, it said: "Vin continued down the quite street," when it should have said "Vin continued down the quiet street"
  16. I think Grandpa Smedry(aka-Leavenworth Smedry) is Kelsier in disguise! There is evidence. Such as similar personalities and always being late to everything! Anyone agree with me? Maybe Kell is even more powerful than we knew...
  17. Who would win a Fullborn or a 5th ideal Windrunner. This has a lot of different angles we could take and i think it will be cool to explore!
  18. So this is mainly TLM. So when Wax split Harmonium, he did create Lera, by having Intent to stay the same. But this is meant to discuss the later comment, when Wayne consumed the Lera, by Harmony about Wax experiencing contamination by Lera. So he may be a very minor Mistborn, but wait! Back in Era 1, with what we were told: That power was the weakest Allomancy could be while still a thing. Also in TLM was vestigial allomancy, so I was wondering would/did Wax gain Mistborn powers or Vestigial ones?
  19. On today's news roundup, do you like covers? There are tons of new covers, for Skyward, Mistborn's rerelease, and the Tor edition of Tress. Let's start with Skyward news! Hot off the press, we have a cover reveal for Defiant, the fourth Skyward book, which comes out November 21st, 2023. Cover by Charlie Bowater. What do you all think? Of the US Skyward covers, I think it's probably my favorite. We also have the synopsis: Skyward Legacy If you hadn't heard, Janci Patterson is writing a sequel trilogy for Skyward, which is set after the main Skyward series. We don't have details on release dates, as it's early in the process, but this month, Skyward Legacy Book One has appeared on Brandon's progress bars. It is currently at 4%. Mistborn News: New Editions and Ebooks Getting Leatherbound Changes We haven't reported on this yet, but the original Mistborn trilogy is getting a rerelease in the US as trade paperbacks. The Final Empire and The Well of Ascension were released February 14th, and The Hero of Ages will release on March 14th. These new covers are, without a doubt, my favorite US Mistborn covers: Covers by Danny Schiltz. The Mistborn leatherbounds had a lot of minor wording changes and continuity stuff, and those are the definitive editions. The Tor mass market paperbacks that were last rereleased in 2019 had those changes, but the ebooks were never updated. Fortunately, with the release of these new Mistborn trade paperbacks, the ebooks are now finally getting the updated text of the books! Yay! The ebooks are getting updated with the new covers, too. Hero of Ages' isn't updated yet, but presumably it will when that trade paperback comes out March 14th. We don't have the covers for them, but it seems that all of Era 2 is getting covers in these styles as well. According to Amazon and Coho Books, The Alloy of Law releases July 4th, Shadows of Self on August 1st, The Bands of Mourning on September 5th, and The Lost Metal on October 10th. Additionally, a trade paperback box set of Era 1 arrives April 11th, and I'd expect a similar box for Era 2 this year as well. Tor Tress Edition Cover Lastly, we got a cover reveal this month for Tor's version of Tress of the Emerald Sea, which comes out April 4th. (Uh, hopefully Kickstarter backers all get their physical editions by then.) Here it is! Cover by Carlos Guimerà. That's all for now! What do you all think of these covers, and the Defiant blurb?
  20. We know two lerasium beads have been used in Era 1 itself. One went to Elend and the other to Hoid. In addition, the epigraph for HoA made reference to the original nine Allomancers having lerasium level power. Rashek makes things more complicated because we don’t know if he counts as one of the nine. If he does, then that’s one less lerasium bead, since he used the Well to become Mistborn I personally suspect Rashek did take a bead for himself. He may have used it to become stronger than a lerasium Mistborn, hence his absurd power level. But the more likely reason he would take one was to use as a metalmind. We don’t know exactly what F-lerasium does but it is a God Metal, so I imagine it’s not useless. That means we can account for a minimum of ten beads and a maximum of twelve. This could’ve been all the beads Leras created because he knew that was needed. But we do still have reason to believe there were 16. SageOfTheWise Is there a reason why Rashek left a nugget of Lerasium at the Well of Ascension? Brandon Sanderson He left several. It was, in his opinion, one of the best kept secrets and best protected locations in his empire. Phantine Were there originally 16 of them? Brandon Sanderson An excellent guess. /r/books AMA 2015 (Aug. 11, 2015) Let’s assume there were 16 beads, created by Leras and some found by Rashek. There must be 4-6 beads unaccounted for. Here are the possibilites I can see 1. They were burned up by past Allomancers. Perhaps Rashek had experimented on them or tried Compounding. Perhaps he gave himself an extra power boost, though this is unlikely since the Well could give him basically anything 2. Rashek used them as metalminds. Very unlikely. If there was an unknown metal on his body, someone should’ve noticed. 3. They were used as Hemalurgic spikes, most likely on a Kandra. However, we haven’t heard of any special kandra in the First Generation. If such a Blessing did exist, it should’ve been fairly obvious 4. More worldhoppers took the beads. Secret History suggests most worldhoppers used Ruin’s perpendicularity, so only a select few could’ve taken the beads. If they had Fortune too, then they may not have taken every bead for the same reason that Hoid only took one 5. Rashek hid the beads somewhere else. The most interesting possibility is that he had four beads and put one each in the storage chambers. The problem is that someone should’ve noticed it during or immediately after the Catacendre, especially Harmony. It is also more likely that if such beads did exist, they were alloyed. That way, they would only create a Misting, which doesn’t contradict Era 2 having basically no Mistborn except Spook. 6. Rashek didn’t find all of the beads. Leras was the one who originally placed the beads. So if he put them in seperate places for any reason, Rashek may not have been able to find them all, especially if they were hidden in an area with regular metal Questioner Did the Lord Ruler create the lerasium that he gave to the ten foreign kings? Or where they put there by Leras-- Brandon Sanderson Oh, good question… No one's asked me that before, I don't believe. Did the Lord Ruler create the lerasium that he gave-- No, he found the lerasium. It was existent before his Ascension. Questioner Can I ask if it was placed there intentionally by Leras or did it sort of grow similar to how atium-- Brandon Sanderson The Lord Ruler-- It was not placed for him, he had to-- he had to get it. JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016) If there were 16 beads at all, then some combo of those six should be true. It is also possible that some or all of them are alloyed with other metals. But those six possibilities are the most plausible explanations for how there could be more lerasium that we haven’t seen yet. Let me know if there are any other possibilities I missed. Thanks for reading!
  21. So, i want all of your opinions on this matter. What do you think would happen if a Shardbearer attacked a Kandra? How do you think it would work?
  22. So, I'm almost certain others have theorized this already, but after some extensive searching, I was unable to find anyone on here who did. So, here we go. In Epilogue 7, Marsh approaches Wax, Steris, and Marasi before Wayne's statue. When asked on how he walks about without drawing attention, he passes it off as emotional Allomancy. Still, Wax expresses his doubts. I think all Cosmerenauts on all worlds stirred in their beds with that phrase. But regardless, this moves on to my theory. I think Marsh moves about unseen through a combination of emotional Allomancy... and Feruchemical duralumin. To quote from the Coppermind, Feruchmeical duralumin functions as such. This seems a very likely explanation for that "something more" Wax postulates. Granted, don't know if Marsh was given spikes following the Catacendre, and there is no way of knowing if Rashek was aware of duralumin's Feruchemical properties. Still, he was a Feruchemist himself, and discovered duralumin. It makes sense he would test it. Anyway, there's my three cents. Thoughts? ~Longshot97
  23. Trusk'our

    Steel Inquisitor

    This is the first drawing I've submitted to the 17th Shard, so I hope you guys like it! I know it's only mediocre at best compared to some of the absolutely amazing artwork I've seen here, but I'll keep trying to develop my skills and improve!
  24. Alright folks! I have taken up an undertaking. I'm making a full Magic set (around 250 cards) based solely on Mistborn: The Final Empire. I have been going at this for a few weeks now, and have made enough progress and am dedicated enough to post. Thus far, I have close to 100 card ideas, and am shifting things into playtest mode. I don't want to make an idea for a full set and then realize there's a major design flaw, so I'm sticking to a bit over a third of the planned cards, playtesting a bit with those, and then carrying on. I don't have a lot of cards that are presentable just yet, but I do have the base 9 Allomancers in playtest-ready forms. Here's what I got so far! Lurcher/Coinshot Tineye/Pewterarm Rioter/Soother Smoker/Seeker And Augur I will soon be showing archetypes, but for now, feel free to stay updated and suggest here! https://www.mtgnexus.com/customcards/3905-mistborn-the-fin/ Additionally, feel free to make card or set suggestions on this post! let me know what you think!
  25. So in the lost metal They figured out how to make spikes without killing someone so does that mean? They can make new blessings without killing people and re-populate the kandra I still don’t really understand Hemalurgy is that possible? Are there still? Mistwraiths in era 2
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