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  1. This is my very first theory post! The sword fighting in WoR has been provoking fangasms in me. I’ve been looking for more information about the different new fighting styles in WoR, and after finding out that there are at least ten stances, one for each of the Ten Essences, I’ve been hunting the book for whatever I can find. I badly want to visualize the fighting styles as they’re described in the book. Thankfully Shallan’s artwork and the Ironstance scroll have been very helpful, but I’m having trouble putting the right image to the right stance. Has anyone already figured this out and/or is there a resource somewhere that has already catalogued this? I’ve already checked the Coppermind Wiki. My theory is that Shallan’s sketch shows all ten of the stances. (Edited to add) Ben McSweeney, aka Inkthinker, the wonderful artist who has created the following sketch and others in the books that make them come to such vivid, three-dimensional life and richness for me, has kindly explained to us a few things about the sketch. Larger image here Brandon told me at the signing in Philly that Ben made the final determinations about what the stances looked like, so we're all waiting with baited breath for Ben to reveal whatever Brandon sees fit to let us know. Meanwhile, the rest of this post consists of theorizing by us, the fans. ~~~~ Ironstance was easy, the scroll was displayed right before the Ironstance chapter. In my opinion, abdf gives a convincing argument here that the warrior in the lower left (the stance we call #4) that I previously thought of as Ironstance is actually Adolin in his favorite stance, Windstance. The "sigh" scribbled under the face convinced me that Shallan is drooling here over Adolin! On the other hand, name_here makes some good points here to indicate that the warrior in the lower left is in Ironstance. The six known stances are a bit harder to match but I think some can be recognized. The others may have to wait for future books. So far there are still four unnamed stances which will be after the essences of “oil/tallow,” “Lucentia/the eyes,” “blood,” and “sinew/flesh.” The Ten Essences are listed in this graph in the Coppermind wiki: http://coppermind.net/wiki/Ten_Essences ~~~~ These are some of the related threads I’ve found: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3833-shardblade-forms/?hl=stances started by DocHoliday http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/3044-stances-in-twok/?hl=stances started by Mailliw73 A question was asked if whether each of the stances are specifically geared towards a particular order? I tend to agree with the explanation that these are fighting styles that have simply evolved with the names of the ten essences, with characteristics of the Order or Essence they’re named after. ~~~~ Also, here's the link to the thread where they're trying to translate the glyphs for the scroll, or fechtbuch as it is called: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation/ started by Harakeke Larger image here Here's a link to the KR chart endpaper, created by of Isaac Stewart, that show the KR glyphs: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6888-knights-radiant-and-surges-endsheet/?hl=chart AwesomenessSummoned has created awesome graphics of the glyphs on the fechtbuch, as shown in this post. These are some of them: ~~~~ THE STANCES (Edited to factor everyone's input) (In Alphabetical Order) Flamestance “Flamestance: quick and flexible, better for shorter Shardblades.” -WoR, p. 224 “[salinor] fell into Flamestance, sword held one-handed, other hand touching the blade, standing with a square posture of the feet. " - WoR, pg. 224 "Salinor dropped his Blade— a weakness of Flamestance’s one-handed posture…” - WoR, p 224 Used by Salinor in Adolin’s first arena duel "[Adolin] needed the frantic fury of Flamestance. Not just for the power, but because of what he needed to convey to Eshonai." -WoR p. 1011 Interesting comparison by Rust and Ruin – Possibly based on this stance in Kuk Sool Won, the Korean martial art, as discovered by PorridgeBrick here: http://www.kuksoolwon-hurlburt.com/pictures/amado_sword_stance.jpg Ironstance “It wasn't time for a show. It was time for a beating...Adolin twisted and fell into Ironstance, with his sword held two-handed up beside his head.” - Wor, p. 224 "Adolin twisted and fell into Ironstance, with his sword held two-handed up beside his head. He slapped away Salinor’s first strike, then stepped in and slammed his Blade down into the man’s helm. Once, twice, three times" - WoR 224 Seems to favor quick, inelegant, powerful hits TheArcanist - abdf and PorridgeBrick's vote: abdf - PorridgeBrick - or or name_here's vote Smokestance "Dalinar moved to the overturned table and kicked off one of the legs. He scooped it up, falling into Smokestance's sword-and-knife form." -WoK p. 299 (Good catch by Harakeke!) "Dalinar leapt forward— remaining in motion was the essence of Smokestance— and spun between the creatures, striking to the side with his poker." - WoK, p. 299 "Dalinar let the fluid nature of Smokestance direct him, stepping to the side and smashing the poker into the beast’s legs." - WoR, p. 300 “[Dalinar] had been trained in classical Windstance, but he fell into Smokestance instead, as it was better with an imperfect weapon. One foot forward, one foot behind, sword— or, in this case, poker— held forward with the tip toward his opponent’s heart." - WoK, P. 298 “Adolin tried Smokestance, attacking with a quick sequence of jabs." -WoR p 1023 TheArcanist notes: Stonestance “…to be immobile.” "Adolin fell into Stonestance himself, smashing his Blade down again and again against Abrobadar’s raised sword until he heard grunts, curses." - WoR p. 660 Rust and Ruin pointed out how TheArcanist - [/size] Vinestance “[Relis] preferred Vinestance, slow and steady, but with sudden, quick lunges." - WoR, p. 656 “The man attacked quickly, using what Kaladin could now identify as Vinestance— a style of fighting that focused on defensive footing and flexibility." - WoR, p. 667 TheArcanist - Possibly? or adbf's votes: Windstance "Adolin used Windstance, turned sideways slightly, hands before him and elbows bent, Shardblade pointing back over his head." - WoK, p. 822 "Adolin dodged another blow, but he had begun to move into Windstance’s offensive forms." - WoK, p. 824 "Dalinar was once again forced to parry, something Windstance wasn’t intended do to." - WoK, p. 930 “Adolin fell into Windstance, elbows bent, turned to the side, sword’s tip pointing up and backward.” - WoR, p. 224 “Windstance: flowing, sweeping, majestic.” - WoR, p. 224 "Adolin danced away in Windstance— certainly the best against so many foes— with both hands holding the Blade in front of him, positioned sideways with one foot forward." - WoR, p. 659 Rust and Ruin also points out that TheArcanist (for fig. 1 & 9, which is removed) – adbf and PorridgeBrick's vote: PorridgeBrick - or name_here's vote ~~~ The only images we can't account for yet: ~~~~ Thanks to TheArcanist and PorridgeBrick, who think that possible influences are: German/Italian longsword fencing schools - TheArcanist's post here, and the pdf he linked. Kuk Sool Won, Korean martial arts - PorridgeBrick's post here Kendo, the Japanese sword martial art - PorridgeBrick's post here and TheArcanist's post here ~~~~ Thank you for everybody's help! Any quotes and input are appreciated! (Edited to add possible influences; corrected some typos and added Kuk Sool Won pic to Flamestance 03/15/2014) (Edited to add link to glyph translation thread, added links for pdf and Kuk Sool Won 0318) (Edited to remove my votes for Ironstance and Windstance. I think PorridgeBrick and abdf are correct. 03/18/2014) (Edited to add more links 03/19/2014) (Edited some paragraphs and corrected spelling 03/20/2014) (Edited to add new votes 03/23/2014) (Edited to add Inkthinker's quote 03/24/2014) (Edited to add AwesomenessSummoned's graphic glyphs 03252014)
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