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All those who enjoy Feruchemy and the many possible uses of it, this is the place for you. The purpose of this group is to spread the use itself. Kind of like the Dark Alley and the spread of Hemalurgy. When we see something good in the Creator's Corner, instead of offering them a spiked dessert, we give them something like a ring of Connection. For those who need a bit of a boost, give'em some Determination. Just PM me and I will add you. And don't be afraid to spread it in your own way. Member List: @Kaj , @Kidpen, @I think I am here., @The Forgetful Archivist , @MacThorstenson, @Keeper , @Gancho Libre , @ElephantEarwax, @Silva, @Ark1002, @Nohadon Metrologist: @The Forgetful Archivist Hemalurgic Crossover Specialist: @MacThorstenson Spiritwebology: @ElephantEarwax

So a WOB I read said that a gold ferring could change their spritweb, because the way gold healing works is it changes your body to the self image that you have of yourself. Does this mean that if you stamped a gold ferring, making him think, say, he was an Elantrian and a Feruchemist. With enough gold, would the ferring change investiture and become an Elantrian with access to the Dor?

Pretty much everything we know about the powers on Scadrial are under the assumption that Preservation represents a net gain, Harmony - Neutral, and Ruin - Negative. However, Harmony truly represents harmony between Preservation and Ruin, not necessarily net neutral. What we know is based on the perspective of in world characters. They believe that Preservation represents a net positive, however, keeping the same, unchanging..."preserving"... That should all be net neutral. So what if Feruchemy is actually of Preservation. This would make more sense to me as it has a net neutral effect, just like what Preservation should be. This would mean that Allomancy would be of Harmony. (it has been a while since I read era 2, so hopefully I am not forgetting something) We always think of Allomancy being net positive, but it feels net negative to me. Just slightly. What happens to the metal after it is burned? It is used up. Power lost, material destroyed. Preservation is neutral, Ruin is negative, and Harmony is in between. Feruchemy is neutral, Hemalurgy is negative, and Allomancy is in between (slightly negative) Brandon even says that he would consider Feruchemy closer to Preservation than ruin: (and everything else he says is the "in world philosophy") https://wob.coppermind.net/events/60-firefight-san-francisco-signing/#e6761 #70 (sorry, I don't know how to quote from here) Does this idea make any sense? is there any information out there that disproves or supports this?

I suspect this is so fundamental that it's come up before, but I didn't see any explanation of this in the Coppermind entry, so I'll pose it here. Feruchemy is one of the three Metallic Arts on Scadrial, which clearly has links to Allomancy in that it uses the same metals as Allomancy does, but as attribute storage instead of "burning" them to tap into a flavor of the power of Preservation. So it would seem that an admixture of Preservation and Ruin is at work in powering it (not some other Shard), and supposedly, to equal measure. In a recent thread, it seemed established (including cited WoBs) that there is no Snapping involved for the ability (though at what age, or how, a Feruchemist comes into knowledge of their ability is unknown, nor if pre-Catacendre Feruchemists experienced it differently than Era 2+ Ferrings do), and what was news to me, that it was originally a "gift" to the Terris people (from who?): In that thread, it was mentioned once again that where Allomancy is "end-positive", with power being gained from Preservation, and Hemalurgy is "end-negative", in that power is lost while transfering Investiture from one person to another, Feruchemy is "end-neural" and thus doesn't need something external to power it (the metalminds are "batteries" for the Feruchemist's native attributes). But that's not really true, right? Feruchemy can be ultimately seen to be "end-positive with a time delay" because the person "bounces back" to normal when they stop filling a metalmind. For example, when Sazed or Wax fills an ironmind with weight, they become lighter. But when they stop filling the ironmind, their weight immediately goes back to normal. And then he's immediately able to tap the ironmind to be at greater than normal weight. But if Feruchemy were end-neutral, shouldn't they only get their normal weight back by tapping the ironmind? Even without the "multiplier" aspect, where you can be twice as heavy for slightly less than half as long (and doesn't that imply some "systemic loss" as well for the multiplier gain)? By way of analogy, if I have $100 in my pocket, and I put $10 in a sock and walk away, I have $90 on me, my money won't bounce back to $100. If I want $100 in my pocket again, I'd have to take all $10 back out of the sock. Same thing with speed, metal ability, etc. - if you "bounce back to normal" while leaving behind attributes in a metalmind without having to empty the metalmind to get back to normal, isn't that mechanism fundamentally end positive?

I was reading something in another thread about how unsealed gold metalminds would be very popular on Threnody, and I started thinking about how they would work on Ashyn. From what we know you have to get sick in order to have magic. It seems to me that an unsealed gold metalmind would come in very handy for those who want to get sick quickly. And it would be handy to have around when you are ready to be healthy again as well, since you've already stored your health.

(spoliers for BoM) Recently, I looked over the Feruchemical powers again and recalled the scene in BoM where the group finds the Nicrosil and Gold bracelet (I think) stored with an immense amount of Health that anyone could use because of the Investiture in the Nicrosil. It happens again in the epilogue with the coin and memory of Kelsier in the Final Empire. Now, after seeing Aluminum's Feruchemical power was Identity, I'm curious as to how it works. Do we know anything? My guess is that it may be a sort of protection against brainwashing, or in combination with Nicrosil, could literally make someone drawing both Investiture and Identity act like the Identity donor. What do you all think? Or what do we actually know?

I have been thinking about the medallions lately, and the scene between Vin and Sazed where she tried to burn one of his metalminds crossed my mind. Is it possible for an allomancer to use a medallion to compound that particular metal even though they themselves aren't feruchemists? Kinda tagging onto that, could a twinborn compound an unkeyed metalmind made by another feruchemist? Is this as obviously yes as I assume or is there something I'm missing?

As we know, if a person has the ability to use the same metal both allomantically and feruchemically, then they can compound that metal (i.e. burn feruchemical storages to multiply the ability stored in the metalmind). So then my question is, would a more powerful allomancer gain more out of compounding than a weaker one? So, would a natural twinborn compound their feruchemical storages by a lesser multiplier than a feruchemist who had burned lerasium for example. In short, does allomantic strength affect compounding efficiency? I welcome your input.

Hi! It's been a while since I last read Mistborn but after a friend asked me to clarify some things (I didn't, because it was spoilers! told him to RAFO!), this came back to my mind. While I was reading era 1, I painted in my mind a different distribution of Metal Arts and Shards. I think the Arcanum describes Allomancy as "End positive" because power is gained, and links it to Preservation; Hemalurgy is linked to Ruin as it is "end negative", and Feruchemy is neutral, balanced, so it's a mix of both Preservation and Ruin. That goes totally against my headcanon. Yeah, it's headcanon so who cares, but still... IMHO it should be: - Feruchemy - Linked to Preservation: No power is lost, no power is gained. Metalminds are never "used up". Everything is preserved. - Hemalurgy - Linked to Ruin: Power changes "hands" but some is lost in the process. The spikes degrade by themselves too. - Allomancy - Linked to both Preservation and Ruin - Power appears from nowhere, and as payment metal is consumed, disappeared from existence. It is known that Leras and Ati joined because their own powers didn't allow them to create, but it was the mix of both that gave them that ability. Allomancy looks like that, you create a surge of power where there was none, in payment some metal is consumed. Feruchemy gains nothing, what you use is what you saved earlier; and hemalurgy is a lossy power, you get a diminished, stolen power. Sanderson links Allomancy to Preservation and calls it "End Positive" because power is gained... But preservation by itself couldn't create... ANd in the process you are destroying metal... I dunno, it doesn't make any sense to me. Not like it matters much because I'm not the one writing these fantastic books but its an itch I hadn't scratched yet... Does any of you think something along these lines? Or has another viewpoint that helps me see this as Sanderson does?

As we know, TLR used compounded feruchemical atium to drastically increase his lifespan. As I've come to further understand the nature of compounding, I've begun to wonder whether he would ever have run out of age? Would he not be able to say, wear an atium ring, tap a fair amount of age from his existing atiumminds, fill said age directly into the ring, swallow the ring and burn it multiplying the amount stored, then rinse and repeat? This would theoretically give him unlimited age as long as he still had some age stored somewhere. If I've gotten anything wrong or my understanding of compounding is flawed, then please let me know. Otherwise, I welcome your thoughts.

So this started out as a thought experiment and I wanted to get input on it from the Shard. It is only a matter of time (in my opinion) before we see a coinshot or mistborn running around with a shardblade. If my theory is correct, then scadrian shardblades will be keyed to one of the 16 allomantic metals. What would each metal's blades look like? would they act like the Bands of Mourning and grant the powers of that metal? Or would they do something else? Please give me you input.

Edit: I don't if this has been asked before as I'm new. What's your favourite system and which would you like to be in possession of? My favourite would have to be Feruchemy. Being able to store energy or thoughts in metal sounds perfect for my life style!

Okay, so we know that Ferrings come from the mixing of allomancy genes and feruchemist genes, which result in the possibility of a single feruchemical power instead of the full set, just like you can the full allomantic suite, or just one power. What I don't know is the full effects of that mixing--if someone was a full mistborn, by inheritance and not Lerasium, and they also inherited feruchemical genes, would they necessarily be fullborn, because they didn't have the gene set for one allomantic ability to affect the feruchemical inheritance, or would it possible for someone just to be a mistborn and a gold feruchemist, for instance? Or vice versa--could someone be a full feruchemist and a misting, or would their being a misting prevent them from being a full feruchemist and they would just end up twinborn? I presume if someone was just a ferring, or just a twinborn, and then consumed Lersasium, they would become mistborn, and would keep their one feruchemical ability, but wouldn't become fullborn, but maybe they would? And/or maybe the one allomantic ability they already had would be supercharged like vin with bronze, albeit in a different way?

So how much would a small metalmind, say a ring or an earring, actually be able to store? Sazed's rings in WoA which he prepares for the Battle of Luthadel had about ten minutes of charge in each, but it is implied that the reason for this is because he only had a short time to fill them. So presumably, they could have stored more. Since they are small I wouldn't imagine that they could store very much, but maybe an hour or so of charge could fit in something like a ring. An earring maybe less, more like half an hour perhaps? If anyone actually knows I would appreciate your input, either way I welcome discussion.

Hey all I’m new in the forums and I had a few questions. I was listening to The Final Empire again and a thought came to my head when Sazed is explaining to Vin that he is a Eunuch. In The alloy of law Wayne makes a statement about having fingers blown off and having to grow them back. Now with Sazed being a feruchemist he has the same healing ability as Wayne so if Wayne is able to grow back body parts ie. fingers in this case. Shouldn’t Sazed be able to grow back his male genitalia? Is there something I’m missing that makes it so he cannot.

My 9 year old son just started mistborn. He has finished TFE and is a good portion through WoA. As we were talking about the combat abilities of Allomancy and Feruchemy, he opined that Feruchemy might be best because a Feruchemist could store their sense of pain. I know that there are any number of senses that can be stored in a tinmind. Has it ever come up, confirmed, or theorized that the sense of pain is one of the senses that can be stored? (If so, I am starting to think of how pain could be creatively tapped for effect.)

I've been playing around with ideas as to how to overcome atium, and I've thought that perhaps a feruchemist tapping steel would be able to exploit the fact that atium still relies on your reactions. An allomancer burning atium would see your atium shadow, but if a feruchemist were tapping enough steel then perhaps they would be able to move too fast for even the enhanced mind that atium provides to comprehend. I got this idea when I was reading Sazed's fight with Marsh. There was a point where he was moving too fast for Marsh to react, so perhaps if he were to use that same technique, but tapping more steel, on someone burning atium then perhaps it would work. I welcome your thoughts.

What do you think about an Infinite Improbability Drive that works on Feruchemical chromium? It would have a large chromium "tank" that you would tap with something improbable in mind while travelling in space.

How exactly did Rashek become as powerful as he did? Yes, his feruchemy was enhanced via compounding but that doesn't explain his immense strength as a mistborn. Nor was the fact that he became mistborn from lerasium because even Elend wasn't as strong as he. Was his power a result of a strong connection to preservation after ascending? If that's the case then why wasn't Vin uber strong after ascension? Or was he simply a savant in all metals, using feruchemy to heal the negative effects of his savantism? I welcome your input.

Would a feruchemist (either a soulbearer or full feruchemist) who had ended up in Roshar and bonded a spren to become a radiant, then be able to store stormlight into a nicrosilmind? That is, would they be able to store stormlight in a nicrosilmind and use that rather than carry spheres or gemstones around with them everywhere they went? Is a nicrosil mind capable of doing this or would it simply store the ability to use stormlight, not the stormlight itself?

Would there be any negative effects to a feruchemist having their metalminds inside their body for certain metals? This includes earings and piercings. Gold metalminds would have little issue as gold is largely inert (partly why it is popular in jewelry), however, having any other metal, especially copper, in your body would likely not be comfortable and become infected, whether it is in the form of an earing, or somehow an implant like The Lord Rulers bands of mourning or (temporarily) the rings in Sazed's abdomen. Does their nature as a metalmind remove the risk of infection or expulsion from the body? If not then why aren't feruchemists going around with infected piercings? An oversight by Brandon perhaps?

So not to be too dramatic, but I think that the Bands of Mourning are pretty simple to explain, and don't require any deeper knowledge than has already been revealed. The bands of mourning are just a single-power medallion with a bunch of metalminds layered together. As a single power medallion you avoid having to figure out how to make a crazy many-multiple-power medallion function. The single power granted by the Bands? Feruchemical Nicrosil. It then has nicrosilminds attached filled with the other feruchemical and allomantic abilities (or, I suspect, just 2 nicrosilminds one filled with "Feruchemy" and the other with "Allomancy"), and whatever other metalminds you want to have available for the feruchemical powers. PS: This might not be a novel theory, or maybe the bands of Mourning aren't as mysterious as my first impression made me believe.

So I've been thinking about whether it'd be possible to create a full feruchemist using lerasium? Since alloying lerasium with a metalmind makes a feruchemist of that metal, could you alloy lerasium with a metalmind that would form a full feruchemist? Perhaps nicrosil? Since nicrosil stores investiture, if a full feruchemist were to store their investiture inside a nicrosilmind and then alloy that with lerasium and a regular person were to burn it, would they become a full feruchemist? If I've made any terrible mistakes due to a lack of understanding of lerasium or nicrosil, feel free to correct me.

The Ghostbloods would like to announce that with recent break through with Chromium Feruchemy, we are able to accurately* allow you, yes you, to see your own future and where you need to be next**, via the Spiritual Realm! We ask you to place your hands on the Chromium ball and tap the Unkeyed storage. Possible side effects but are not limited to nausea, vomiting, insomnia, dizziness, stupor, memory loss, hearing voices, insanity, and not understanding why one needs to be in that particular place at said time. These side effect grow more severe and apparent the more one taps this ball. Customers served {4} *we can not guarantee when your future will happen, though it will likely occur between one and thirty days (foresight past seven days is quite rare), we can only say that it 75-95% possible to occur (This is because not all of Renarin's visions were correct.), one's actions can increase or decrease the likelyhood of one obtaining their future **similar to what Hoid does with Fortune ***only about 5% are afflicted with the physical and mental side effects , 80% are afflicted with the condition of not understanding why one needs to be in that particular place or time., and 15% are not affected in any shape or form.

Hey all. So this is a quick speculation thread based on some stuff I was thinking about in the shower after re-reading Elantris and some WoBs about nicrosil. The way interplay between all these different forms of Investiture is hinted at is fascinating. I've been a casual poster here for a while, but this is my first foray into actual speculation. If what I'm saying has any spoilers in it (I don't think it does, but I could be wrong), feel free to mark it as such. Also, I'm not really up-to-date on the latest Realmantic lingo, so bear with me. Anyway, as far as I'm aware, Feruchemical Nicrosil stores Investiture. In terms of Scadrial magic systems, this usually means storing the Investiture an Allomancer or Feruchemist uses to fuel their other abilities, with the ability to tap it at a greater rate to get more of that power over a shorter duration. However, we know from various WoBs that a nicrosilmind can stor other forms of Investiture from other worlds, including Divine Breaths from Nalthis or the ability to use the Surges of the Knights Radiant (whether this refers to storing the Nahel bond or Stormlight is unclear). We also know that in Selish magics, the Dor is heavily linked to location, because of the Dor being essentially the shattered corpses of two gods dumped in the Cognitive Realm by Odium. This means there is a sharp drop-off in the power of Selish magics the farther they get away from their particular region-- most notably in AonDor and Forgery, with the Dakhor monks being a little better at this, for currently-unknown reasons. So my hypothetical is this: Let's say I have nicrosilmind--whether I'm an actual Soulbearer or just using an unsealed nicrosilmind is an irrelevant distinction at this stage. If I were on Sel, could I store Investiture from the Dor in my nicrosilmind and take it with me, to fuel Selish magic with it? If I were an Elantrian or Dakhor monk on another world, could I tap that nicrosilmind to increase the power of my Aons/Bone-twisties to the level they would be closer to home? A sort of Dor-battery or Dor-transformer? Or is there something I'm missing in my analysis. Be gentle.