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  1. In Kelsier's epilogue, he and Sazed discuss whether or not Sazed should lead the people of Scadrial to a technological revolution. Sazed states that it's better for the people to discover things on their own. Kelsier counters the conflict wouldn't have happened if the people of Scadrial had been more advanced. Sazed has admitted previously that he thinks he's made things to easy for the people of the Basin, and that's why they haven't advanced as much as he'd expected. But if he'd given them the technology, they wouldn't need to discover it. Who's beliefs are more valid? Personally, I think Sazed's opinion is more valid. This resonates with several other fictional sources I'm fond of, and I think it's true. In Stormlight Archives, Dalinar discusses with one of his ardents the value of growing stronger through adversity, both as an individual and as a people. And the two discussions resonate, I think. Beyond that, the concept of people valuing things they've earned over what they've been given is something that's often explored in literature and other media. And that appreciation affects how they treat whatever it is. Be it technology, peace, or even financial wealth. Right now, Sazed says he puts people where they need to be, but allows them to make their own decisions. That's not a bad approach, all things considered. Perhaps Sazed could help nudge people in the right direction a little, but just giving the secrets away seems unwise. Hand outs are dangerous, because people can start to rely on them very easily, and because once it happens a first time, it's much harder to argue against doing it a second time. Teach a man to fish, and all that.
  2. Hi everyone, I am new here but I have a few thoughts on the epilogue and why Brandon may have been so excited to write it. 1.) I do not believe Hoid stores memories in his Breaths, at all. If you've read Warbreaker then there is no mention of memories being stored there. I think it's entirely possible that this information was planted by Hoid in case something happened to the actual vessel of Odium. Even Hoid alludes to this be saying he felt someone messing with his perfect pitch. I think that is a purposeful statement to let the reader know that he realized he's being messed with and it's just his perfect pitch. 2.) He alludes to his "real" coin that was palmed in his hand. I believe this is actually referring to the coppermind Coin that Hoid gives away. 3.) The differences in speech as well, as others have pointed out indicate that Hoid knew perfectly well that something was amiss. I could be wrong but that was how it seemed to me.
  3. Hey all! Since reading the epilogue and being horrified/intrigued at what Vargo!Odium did to Hoid, another question has continued to plague me. Why on Roshar did Hoid meet with Rayse!Odium ~1,000 years ago? We’ve seen Hoid speak about the potential destruction Odium could wreak upon him. Hoid seems genuinely troubled by the possibility through the series thus far. So, given this, what lead to their meeting a millennia ago? Why did Hoid risk this meeting? What did they discuss? How did it go? I wonder if it took place near the Recreance, though this depends on timeline stuff. If it did was Hoid away of the impact of the B-A-M capture and was thus discussed? I honestly have no idea and perhaps the meeting meant nothing, but it stood out to me and I had not seen anyone discuss it thus far (apologies if I missed it!) Let me know what you think! Am I crazy and reading into something... or was this meeting important and something we should be focused on? If you have any theories or ideas, I’d love to hear them!
  4. Hey, I'm new here, so tell me if I'm breaking any rules. Anyway, I was looking through a thread full of Sandersons Q&A sort of thing, and for one of the answers he said the part of the epilogue of book ten was in the little things at the start of each chapter. I'm afraid I can't get a quote, since I kinda lost it, and can no longer find it. But just looking through the epigraphs, I saw the death rattle for chapter 3 of book 1, and thought that that looked sort of like something said at the end of a series of books. Three “A man stood on a cliffside and watched his homeland fall into dust. The waters surged beneath, so far beneath. And he heard a child crying. They were his own tears.” Collected on the 4th of Tanates, year 1171, thirty seconds before death. Subject was a cobbler of some renown. Sorry, I have no idea how to put that in quotes. Any other suggestions?
  5. I'm not sure if anyone has posted a list of all of the epilogues from Words of Radiance (The in-book book, not the Brandon book), but here they all are, in order not as they are shown, but in the order of the in-book chapter/page organization. Wow... This is really hard to explain... They are out of the order given to us, and put into the proper order. I included the chapter titles, page# and chapter# as included in the U.S. hardcover edition of the book. But as for Ishi’Elin, his was the part most important to their inception; he readily understood the implication of Surges being granted to men, and caused organization to be thrust upon them; as having too great power, he let it be known that he would destroy each and every one, unless they agreed to be bound by precepts and laws. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 2, page 4 “Mere Vapors” pg 479, ch 42 And thus were the disturbances in the Revv toparchy quieted, when, upon their ceasing to prosecute their civil dissentions, Nalan’Elin betook himself to finally accept the Skybreakers who had named him their master, when initially he had spurned their advances and, in his own interests, refused to countenance that which he deemed a pursuit of vanity and annoyance; this was the last of the Heralds to admit to such patronage. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 5, page 17 “The Ghostbloods” pg 486, ch 43 As to the other orders that were inferior in this visiting of the far realm of spren, the Elsecallers were prodigiously benevolent, allowing others as auxiliary to their visits and interactions; though they did never relinquish their place as prime liaisons with the great ones of the spren; the Lightweavers and Willshapers both also had an affinity to the same, though neither were the true masters of that realm. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 6, page 2 “Perfection” pg 617, ch 53 \ And now, if there was an uncut gem among the Radiants, it was the Willshapers; for though enterprising, they were erratic, and Invia wrote of them, ”capricious, frustrating, unreliable,” as taking it for granted that others would agree; this may have been an intolerant view, as often Invia expressed, for this order was said to be most varied, inconsistent in temperament save for a general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 7, page 1 “Uncut Gems” pg 582, ch 50 They also, when they had settled their rulings in the nature of each bond’s placement, called the name of it the Nahel bond, with regard to its effect upon the souls of those caught in its grip; in this description, each was related to the bonds that drive Roshar itself, ten Surges, named in turn and two for each order; in this light, it can be seen that each order would by necessity share one Surge with each of its neighbors. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 8 page 6 “The Multiplied Strain of Simultaneous Infusion” pg 407, ch 35 Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation; and in the case of Corberon’s disagreements, their silence was not a sign of an exceeding abundance of disdain, but rather an exceeding abundance of tact. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 11, page 6 “Into the Sky” pg 597, ch 52 Malchin was stymied, for though he was inferior to none in the arts of war, he was not suitable for the Lightweavers; he wished for his oaths to be elementary and straightforward, and yet their spren were liberal, as to our comprehension, in definitions pertaining to this matter; the process included speaking truths as an approach to a threshold of self-awareness that Malchin could never attain. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 12, page 12 “To Kill the Wind” pg 665, ch 57 Now, as each order was thus matched to the nature and temperament of the Herald it named patron, there was none more archetypal of this than the Stonewards, who followed Talenat’Elin, Stonesinew, Herald of War: they thought it a point of virtue to exemplify resolve, strength, and dependability. Alas, they took less care for imprudent practice of their stubbornness, even in the face of proven error. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 13, page 1 “A Matter of Perspective” pg 430, ch 37 But as for the Bondsmiths, they had members only three, which number was not uncommon for them; nor did they seek to increase this by great bounds, for during the times of Madasa, only one of their order was in continual accompaniment of Urithiru and its thrones. Their spren was understood to be specific, and to persuade them to grow to the magnitude of the other orders was seen as seditious. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 16, page 14 “One Form of Justice” pg 499, ch 44 And when they were spoken of by the common folk, the Releasers claimed to be misjudged because of the dreadful nature of their power; and when they dealt with others, always were they firm in their claim that other epithets, notably “Dustbringers,” often heard in the common speech, were unacceptable substitutions, in particular for their similarity to the word “Voidbringers.” They did also exercise anger in great prejudice regarding it, though to many who speak, there was little difference between these two assemblies. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 17, page 11 “A New Woman” pg 418, ch 36 When Simol was informed of the arrival of the Edgedancers, a concealed consternation and terror, as is common in such cases, fell upon him; although they were not the most demanding of orders, their graceful, limber movements hid a deadliness that was, by this time, quite renowned; also, they were the most articulate and refined of the Radiants. -From Words of Radiance, chapter 20, page 12 “Patriots” pg 530, ch 46 Yet, were the orders not disheartened by so great a defeat, for the Lightweavers provided spiritual sustenance; they were enticed by those glorious creations to venture on a second assault. -From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10 “Feminine Wiles” pg 547, ch 47 These Lightweavers, by no coincidence, included many who pursued the arts; namely: writers, artists, musicians, painters, sculptors. Considering the order’s general temperament, the tales of their strange and varied mnemonic abilities may have been embellished. -From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10 “Watching the World Transform” pg 566, ch 49 There came also sixteen of the order of Windrunners, and with them a considerable number of squires, and finding in that place the Skybreakers dividing the innocent from the guilty, there ensued a great debate. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3 “Veil’s Lesson” pg 625, ch 54 The considerable abilities of the Skybreakers for making such amounted to an almost divine skill, for which no specific Surge or spren grants capacity, but however the order came to such an aptitude, the fact of it was real and acknowledged even by their rivals. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 28, page 3 “The Rules of the Game” pg 636, ch 55 So Melishi retired to his tent, and resolved to destroy the Voidbringers upon the next day, but that night did present a different stratagem, related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths; and being hurried, he could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Heralds and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 30, page 18 “Never Again” pg 675, ch 58 In short, if any presume Kazilah to be innocent, you must look at the facts and deny them in their entirety; to say that the Radiants were destitute of integrity for this execution of one of their own, one who had obviously fraternized with unwholesome elements, indicates the most slothful of reasoning; for the enemy’s baleful influence demanded vigilance on all occasions, of war and of peace. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 32, page 17 “Heirs” pg 590, ch 51 Twenty-three cohorts followed behind, that came from the contributions of the King of Makabakam, for though the bond between man and spren was at times inexplicable, the ability for bonded spren to manifest in our world rather than their own grew stronger through the course of the oaths given. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 35, page 9 “Whitespine Uncaged” pg 652, ch 56 Now, as the Windrunners were thus engaged, arose the event which has hitherto been referenced: namely, that discovery of some wicked thing of eminence, though whether it be some rogueries among the Radiants’ adherents or of some external origin, Avena would not suggest. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 6 “The Silent Storm” pg 437, ch 38 That they responded immediately and with great consternation is undeniable, as these were primary among those who would forswear and abandon their oaths. The term Recreance was no then applied, but has since become a popular title by which this event is named. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 6 “Palona” pg 458, ch 40 This act of great villainy went beyond the impudence which had hitherto been ascribed to the orders; as fighting was particularly intense at this time, many attributed this act to a sense of inherent betrayal; and after they withdrew, about two thousand made assault upon them, destroying much of the membership; but this was only nine of the ten, as one said they would not abandon their arms and flee, but instead entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the other nine. - From Words of Radiance, chapter 38, page 20 “Scars” pg 464 ch 41