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Ok, so maybe Musk didn't figure out Elantris' magic, BUT, his team did build a robot that sounds rather Seon-like for the Space Station. https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/28/17513410/spacex-iss-nasa-commercial-resupply-15-falcon-9-launch-dragon-watch-live

Ok, so I have started reading Elantris, which is fascinating, as I expected it to be. Previously, I had read Mistborn Secret History and Kelsier meets some Elantrians or Aonic people? My question is, when Kelsier meets these people, have the events in Elantris already taken place? Or is this before? I looked it up and I didn't see exactly when Secret history takes place in relation to Elantris. (I hope I didn't give any spoilers, I don't quite know how to do things here, like quotes and such, much apologies!) Thanks guys!!

The Aon Kii means justice. The skybreaker who trains Szeth in OB is called Ki. Do we have a worldhopping Selish surgebinder or is it just Brandon being a troll again.

So... what exactly was that extra scene at the end of the 10th anniversary edition of Elantris? I already has some questions after reading the book, but this scene made them even more apparent. Vanishing in the pool, the seons (now there's dark seons?), etc. Setting up the sequel, perhaps?

I posted this on General Brandon discussion, but then I realized it probably belongs here. So I recently restarted Elantris, and-I'm sure I'm not the first to see this- I noticed that "Domi" (as in merciful domi) sounded an awful lot like Dominion (DOMInion). I also noticed Hrathen say something along the lines of "ambition is one of the only emotions Jaddeth encourages, besides devotion. I think it may be possible that Shu-Dereth and Shu-Korath are worshiping devotion and dominion, respectively? It does say in the coppermind that Domi comes from Aon Omi, meaning love, but I thought the coincidence was a little too strong. Also, the Derethi beliefs that Jaddeth lives in the ground hits a little too close to home for it to not be one of the shards. What do you guys think?

What might the cast of a potential Elantris movie look like? Sarene- Rebecca Romijn

I am relatively new to Brandon Sanderson,(around 9 months since i read my first book, Steelheart) but have read almost every book (WOT are the only books i haven't read) How would different forms of investure affect each other? ex: mistborn with AonDor, Elantrian with stormlight, Radiant with Hemalurgy etc.

Shouldn't the magic be region specific? Or was it just diluted and not as powerful as in Fjordell.

Hi everyone, I was reading through the list of Aons at the back of Elantris, and I realized something: the Aon for “hope” is “Ati.” Ati, as in the man who was the host for Ruin? Who Atium was named for? Unfortnunately, as I was reading through, I could not find anything for Leras in the Aons... Is this just a coincidence? Or is there a connection through this (rather ironic) name? Maybe Ruin and whoever hosted Dominion or Dominion, the two Shards on Sel, had some sort of connection before the Shattering.

Hi fellas. I have recently finished the stormlight books, which btw were my first cosmere experience. I was wondering what I should get my hands on next, so mistborn, elantris, or warbreaker? What are your suggestions? Mind you I've read "Alloy of Law", because I needed a book for a project also I thought about a new mistborn reading order, which goes by AoL first, then the original trilogy, and finishing with Wax and Wayne trilogy. Cheers!

I just finished re-reading Elantris and I have so many questions. I think I need to write Cosmere stuff on my walls like T. Anyway, ATI is an aon? ATI like OUR Ati? Was Ati originally from Sel? Who is Jaddeth really? Is he the person who took up a shard? Is he Ambition? Because Hrathen keeps saying that he rewards the ambitious. Are the Dakhor somehow hemalurgically pierced? Are the bones bonded with adamantium or something? What is Lukel's name aon? The God trapped in the land sounds much like Ruin trapped in the well. Coincidence?

It’s been stated that prior to arriving in the Rosharan System, Odium paid a visit to Sel to check out the scenery, kill a couple of Gods, usual touristy stuff. By what I can gather, this happened quite some time before the Reod, and predates Shu-Keseg, the parent religion of Shu- Dereth, leaving a lot of time in the aftermath for the events of that interaction to fall into legend and myth. Brandon has also said that if you looked hard enough you could find the influence of Odium on Sel still. During the events of Elantris, it is said that Jadeth is an old pagan God who cared for the stones, but Shu-Dereth thrust him into their mythology when it split from Shu-Keseg proper. Considering the connection between Odium and Stone in stormlight archive, this is at least plausible. This isn’t to say that Shu-Dereth worships Odium directly, or that Dakhor Magic is of his power, as their religion and culture obviously fit better with Dominion. However, over time images of deities can shift and blend. Add to this, that when Hrathen meets Dilaf, he is careful to note his PASSION and basically states that if one can use that passion to achieve the desired Dominion, then it would be a tool he would use carefully but willingly. Dilaf’s motives in the story are driven much more by hatred than domination, and so it makes me wonder about how deep the influence of Odium goes in Fjordell culture.

Hey all, I had a question about the timing during these three books in the title of this topic. So, we know Galladon and Demoux are in Stormlight nicknamed Grump and Thinker respectively. Thus it leads me to think that these three book series are taking place about a few years or so apart. That is all I could find out. What do you guys think?

After having read Arcanum Unbounded, something in The Emperor's Soul bothered me. It made me pseudo-revisit Elantris for answers, and I've come up with nothing. In Elantris, when the Dakhor monks show up, it describes them as having metal plates under there skin. At the time of my first reading, I assumed it was hemalurgy, but after reading Emperor's Soul, it seems to be soul stamping. Both are described as sort of defacing and twisting the body in unnatural ways, but I can't come up with an answer. Do we have a WoB or something on this?

This is a theory thats more a half asleep concept than anything, but I wanted to get it out here and in thoughts before it faded away. I entirely expect this to be quickly torn apart, but here it is. First off, the Spiritual Realm, unlike the Cognitive and much unlike the physical, is if I recall correctly mentioned somewhere as 'All times, all places' which is why some tapping of it can see the future etr. So, when it comes to Spirit Realm, space isn't really an option/issue. Second, in Elantris, there is a religion set known as Shu-Keseg, Shu-Korath, and Shu-Dereth. These effectively represented by my understanding, Unity through understanding, control, and love respectively. Also by my understanding, Shu-Korath represents Dominion while Shu-Dereth represents Devotion. Now here is my thought. Dalinar has mentioned 'vision' like happenings including before bonding with the Stormfather. He has mentioned a similar feel, yet not the same. He has heard the voice of someone telling him to Unite them, which also has been seen by his brother. Some of these have again not been sent by the Stormfather. Once he does bond with the storm father, he gains spiritual adhesion. What if the Unity isn't Honor or anything related to that but instead somehow a mixing of Dominion and Devotion, which are two big parts of dalinars personality with Dominion being the first part of his life mixed with Devotion to his brother? It would be interesting to see if that was a hint with Shu-Keseg being the 'origin' of the two other religions that represent the shards, its focus being entirely unity before split into two factions. Another note that might be to this effect is it would make sense it being two shards fused together as that would look closer to Adonalsium, which would explain Odiums panicked words of 'We killed you!' as he probably hasn't seen Harmony before/yet so this would be his first time running into such a being. Having written this out, it seems far less plausible I admit, still I'm curious to see others thoughts on it.

Are the number of Seons equal to the number of Aeons or are there repeats?

I recently was linked to a Cosmeric bombshell dropped on Reddit: In case you, like me, haven't read Elantris recently enough to get what he was referring to, Oversleep helpfully summed it up in: So many questions here... -I thought the Dor ripped people apart, too -Does this go any way towards explaining the Ire? -Is Riino a Cognitive Shadow now? -My copy of Oathbringer is on a different continent, but I don't think it said anything about Riino's skin being silver. Kal wouldn't have mistaken him for a Shin if he was all weird and shiny, would he?

So there is this WoB that I couldn't figure out. I was wondering if you guys could make heads or tails of it. Q: The prevailing theory on the 17th Shard is that Hoid worldhops using Shadesmar. I was wondering if you were willing to confirm or deny that? A: Hoid has indeed gotten between worlds before through Shadesmar. Q: And would you be willing to give us a hint as to how he does that? A: There are hints in the books. There is a hint in the very first cosmere book I released. [that would be Elantris] Which I thought was a huge hint, but so far I haven't seen anyone talking about it. I thought for sure once people started figuring the cosmere, they would see the massive in-your-face hint I put in that book, but so far, as far as I know, no one has. Now, the one [hint] about the map, that one I don't think is obvious. I know people have been trying to figure it out. It's going to be fun once you figure it out, but it's not something huge and obvious. The Elantris once was, like, enormously "HIIINT!"

SO! This has 100% been seen before, and 99% sure it's been discussed, HOWEVER! Aon Ashe means Light/Illumination Ash is a nickname for the Herald of the Lightweavers, who use light/illumination COINCIDENCE!?! I THINK NOT! Ash also talks about Jezrien being her father? Are they from Sel? Taln is talked about as a person who shouldn't have been a Herald, so are they all Elantrians/Selish except him? I know people from Sel have lighter skin/bigger eyes than Rosharans, but still Thoughts?

We already know that there are at least 4 types of cognitive shadows that are left behind by human-level creatures: 1. Shades on Threnody, 2. Fused souls, 3. Svrakiss, 4. Kelsier. Now, the description of Svrakiss from Coppermind: sounds quite familiar after reading Oathbringer. They both hate, they don't go to the Beyond, they curse a lot, and they prey on the living. People have speculated if Svrakiss are what's behind the Set's Faceless Immortals, and now we have another option which is almost identical. Knowing that they are both from planets which Odium set foot upon makes me ponder. Also, Threnody was associated with Ambition, who was also splintered by, well, Odium. Below is the description of the Evil: Odium feasted on the guilt of the humans, which is what keeps most people on the right track, making right choices, doing right things. With Odium to blame for any crime passionnel, a man can be considered soulless, and the rest of the humankind did the right thing to flee them. My theory is, all these 3 types of cognitive shadows are created by Odium. He may not have invested on Sel to keep the Svrakiss from going to the Beyond, but there is enough investiture in the Cognitive Realm to do it. Odium may have used the investiture he tore from Ambition to create the shades. And we know about the Fused already. Odium is like a master Necromancer, leaving behind an army of undead everywhere he goes. And he will not hesitate to use the army when there's the chance. And that's perhaps what Hoid is working against, to release the cognitive shadows? After all, they're basically the only people he can beat and hurt without breaking his oaths. And he even danced with some of them, and he may have wished them a peaceful rest.