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  1. With SA 5 release date and um whelming title? I thought it would be fun to riff on Brandon book titles. Personally, I think Brandon should start really mixing it up with the titles he uses Blank of Blank too much generally. I've recently learned of a fun fiction novel naming convention for novels about wives (I assume). Wife Location Literature. Covers hidden for length. The Wife Between Us The Wife Upstairs The Wife Next Door The Spren Between Us The Ghostblood Upstairs The Worldhopper Next Door The Shard in the Shed Tuesday's With Marsh The Lopen Between Us
  2. This scene has many implications, but let's center on one. What did he pay with? It is valuable It is rare Raboniel recognised it It is small enough to fit into a bag It clincked Based on who paid and what he soiled his pants with, I am going to say: aethers What do you think?
  3. I've seen various opinions regarding Kelsier over the years on 17th Shard and I wanted to poll the public opinion on what kind of person Kelsier really is. I was hoping for this to be an open discussion on how people perceive Kelsier, and as such I'd like to lay down some guidelines to hopefully keep this thread polite, thought-provoking, and a safe place to share your views and experiences. First, it's okay to respectfully disagree, but please do not imply that another person's experience was wrong. Your experience with the books is your own and does not invalidate another's. Second, if someone posts explicitly incorrect factual data, then yes, please correct it, but this is the most extreme disagreement I want. Even for someone quoting a character's view on Kelsier, that is subjective within the context of the story. Again, I want to know what people think, not try to arrive at any sort of conclusive answer. I'll put out some background in the order of the poll, though it's probably unnecessary . Brandon himself says that had his life gone differently he could be a very evil dude and is an actual psychopath. His formation of the Ghostbloods and involvement in the Cosmere doesn't paint the most friendly of pictures. During the days of the Final Empire his hatred of the nobility was considerable and he has an innate ruthlessness. He forced the very first Skaa plantation we see to flee or join the rebellion. Is Kelsier a good man? I remember his lesson to Vin on friendship and what friendship really means, choosing to go toe-to-toe with a Steel Inquisitor to save Spook. Most of what we see Kelsier doing in Mistborn 1 is directly related to the plan, but there is a scene later in the book where Vin goes with him and visits the Skaa to give them supplies and encouragement. This is framed as a break from his plotting and recruiting, this is what he does to decompress and at least partially relax the mask of the Survivor of Hathsin. I remember his encouragement, his willingness to change and try to see the good in others and protect the Skaa. His time as a Cognitive Shadow during Secret History shows him repeating Leras's counsel to himself, to do better, that the hearts of men are not his toys, and we see him weeping as Spook runs into the flames. Kelsier is also extremely charismatic and draws a lot of attention and notoriety, deliberately so. He was famous before he became the Survivor of Hathsin and sowed the seeds for his own religion hiring OreSeur to enact a false resurrection. He drew power away from Yeden the leader of the Skaa rebellion, created a fake belief of mystic power when he had Demoux fight Bilg in the army, enhancing Demoux strikes with Allomancy. Even when he goes to free Spook, he thinks to himself about how he's always wondered if he could best an Inquisitor. We've since learned that he has established a name for himself among the Southern Scadrians as the Sovereign, with a temple built in his name in the north, complete with dead/sacrificed(?) Southerners and elaborate traps and locked door. At the end of Secret History, Vin asks Kelsier how much was about them, and how much was about himself and proving that he hadn't been beaten, a question that Kelsier didn't know the answer to. Presumably he was the one that commissioned or created the Bands of Mourning, the most powerful artifact since the Well of Ascension. He also is looking to obtain Stormlight from Roshar and has a chapter of the Ghostbloods working in the shadows there (though there are hints of a schism between chapters). Kelsier also has the distinction of being the only person we know to have Ascended to become a Shard and willingly given up the power, though Vin is very close. In his first life he had to be restrained from stopping the first round of executions, he sprinted for 16 straight hours and would have fought an entire army to try to save the army of the rebellion at the end of that sprint if Vin hadn't stopped him. Not once, but twice he has deliberately placed himself against a god expecting to die - the fact that neither The Lord Ruler or Ruin managed to permanently kill him doesn't discount the expectation of death. At least, I'm going to say that letting go the power of Preservation when Ruin is trying to kill you is tantamount to accepting death. We also have that medallion that Hoid gave Wax showing Kelsier helping the freezing Southern Scadrians. So. What do people think? We've gotten very few glimpses from his point of view since Secret History, and it's been 300 years since he was alive. Who do you think Kelsier is at his core?
  4. Not sure about anyone else, but I'm endlessly intrigued by Ulim. And not just his weasely, sycophantic ways. There's a lot of weirdness going on with him. So I wanted to put together a post laying out what we know, and what mysteries remain surrounding that Voidspren we all love to hate. What We Know 1. Appearance Ulim generally takes one of two forms. Either that of rolling, crackling red lightning/energy moving across surfaces; or that of a small human male with "odd eyes" and long hair that waves or ripples in an unseen wind. He can also vanish, making only certain people able to see him. And on one occasion, we also see him with spikes breaking through his skin and then retracting: RoW, Chapter 77. 2. Personality and Mannerisms To put it bluntly, Ulim is just ... the ... worst. He's dismissive, derogatory, and downright callous ("Oh, you thought she was alive?") to anyone he views as bring of a lower station than him. Which seems to include pretty much everyone except for the Fused and Odium himself. Although he's not beyond making snide remarks about even the Fused and the Unmade, provided they're not around to hear it: Row, Chapter 73. But when in the presence of a Fused, he's obsequious and frankly, more than a little cowardly. He's concerned about others making him look bad in front of them. He lies constantly, and is a master at manipulating people. While being dismissive is his go to move, he's plenty able to pour on the praise and promises of future glory if that's what the situation calls for. And while he seems firmly on the side of the Fused and Odium, he speaks and gestures in human ways. Here he is in RoW 59, somewhat reluctantly deciding to work with Venli, while using what seems a very un-singer like expression: Here he is in OB Interlude 3 after Venli grows angry at the way Ulim is speaking about Eshonai: Here's another point later in the same chapter, and this time a Fused calls him out for it: He's unforgiving toward those he views as traitors to Odium's cause (even when they do exactly what he wants them to do). Oh, and he thinks pretty highly of himself (perhaps not entirely undeservedly) for what he was able to accomplish in summoning the Everstorm. This is again from OB Interlude 3: 3. Abilities (Note: I'm proceeding in this section under the assumption that what we see Ulim do with Venli, he would also be able to with other singers) Ulim is able to move in and out of a singer's gemheart without needing a highstorm (though it may require some level of permission from the singer). He's able to crowd into the gemheart along with whatever lesser spren gives the singer their current form. While inside a singer's gemheart, Ulim is able to speak to the singer and even hear their thoughts. By taking up residence inside a singer's gemheart, he also grants them the ability to hear Odium's rhythms. Perhaps his most impactful ability is the ability to manipulate a singer's emotions. He makes Venli dance like a puppet on strings, and through her manages to manipulate a number of other listeners as well in pursuit of his goals. (If interested, you can read in the thread below about my theory that Ulim is actually using vibrations/rhythms to perform this emotional manipulation): As mentioned above, Ulim is able to scoot along surfaces in the form of cracking lightning. And although he doesn't appear to able to fly, he does seem able to sort of jump while in lightning form: This is also one of several instances where we see that Ulim can make physical contact with a singer. Other instances are when he hops onto Venli's shoulder, grabbing onto her hair, and shortly later in RoW 77 when he lands on Venli's arm and begins moving toward her gemheart. During that pivotal moment, Ulim also demonstrates that he can vibrate energy through a singer. After hitting on the idea of starting a war with the Alethi, he vibrates energy through Venli while trying to convince her, not just to go along with that plan, but also that it was in fact her idea. There is a limit to his ability to interact with the physical world, though. For example, he is not able to carry a bag of gemstones, and brings Venli along to do that. One ability that Ulim does not have is the ability to see in Shadesmar. I don't know how notable this is. I tried to look back through the first four books to see whether spren are generally able to do this or not and couldn't really find anything definitive one way or the other. 4. Ulim's Role in Odium's Plans Although it is never explained, the Fused (and even one stormform singer) refer to Ulim as the Envoy. He made his way to Roshar by passing through the barrier storm that blocks the way to Braize in Shadesmar. Through some unknown method, he was pulled into a gemstone in the Physical Realm of Roshar at a place in the southern ocean that, presumably, corresponds with the location of the barrier storm in Shadesmar. Axindweth, a Feruchemist agent of Odium delivered the gemstone into Venli's hands and tempted Venli with promises that it held the secret to granting forms that could heal her mother's illness. After Venli releases Ulim, he begins putting into motion Odium's plan to circumvent Taln, who after 4,500 years of torture has still not broken. By manipulating Venli, revealing information about new forms, and sharing human gem cutting techniques, he eventually succeeds in getting nearly all of the listeners to adopt stormform. This allowed the singers to pull a large portion of the roiling barrier storm - that Odium had broken off and moved through Shadesmar to the the Shattere Plains - through to the Physical Realm. The result: the Everstorm, which restores the Connection and Identity of the singers who were lobotomized by the imprisonment of Ba-Ado-Mishram, and allows for the Fused (and other Voidspren as well I believe) to return Roshar for a good old-fashioned Desolation. After that, Ulim shows up just a couple of times in OB (searching for Eshonai, and the scene where Venli and the other singers are lined up to accept Fused souls in the Everstorm). And then he pops up early on in the invasion of Urithiru (RoW 42), letting Raboniel know that they've found Navani, after which they have this intriguing exchange: And that's it. We don't get to see him again throughout the rest of RoW. 5. Miscellaneous This didn't really fit in above, but I wanted to mention that Ulim recognizes the Heralds (at least Shalash, Kalak, and Nale). And Nale, at least, knows Ulim by name. Relatedly, Ulim is terrified of Nale Remaining Questions about Ulim 1. Why is he called the Envoy? 2. Why does he both appear human and have human mannerisms? 3. What's with the unseen wind that's always rippling his hair when he's in his human form? What's so "odd" about his eyes? 4. How the heck did he make it through the barrier storm? 5. How does he communicate with Axindweth and other agents of Odium? In RoW 77 he says that "I haven’t heard from Axindweth in a few days. I’m certain it’s all right. We have a meeting point where she leaves things for me. The gemstones will be there.” How was he communicating with her? How often did he go to the meeting point? What else did she leave him there? How did he carry it? Also, who are these other agents? 6. Why can't he see into Shadesmar? And more broadly, if anyone can point me to any information about whether other sapient spren are able to do this or not, I'd appreciate it. 7. What's the deal with the creepy little poem that Venli seems to use in RoW 86 to locate/summon Ulim ("Say a name on the breeze and it will return, she thought") 8. What was up with those spikes poking through his skin when he was freaking out he night of Gavilar's assassination? (I've seen someone compare that to how Ati appears a couple of times in Secret History; also reminiscent of the several times when light seems to be poking through Rayse in RoW) 9. What did he mean when he referred to Navani as a new toy? Has he used humans as pawns in the past? Who? When?
  5. Clearly Kelsier knows about Essence Marks and that they can grant powers that the individual was not born with. We also know that Moonlight has been experimenting with general use stamps. Is this one of the core reasons that Kelsier recruited Moonlight to see if Essence Marks could be a method of democratizing powers? If so, then there's a question on if Kelsier has commissioned a Mistborn Essence Mark and if so, why we haven't seen him use it? Has a Mistborn Essence Mark If Kelsier does have an Essence Mark that can change him into a Mistborn which seems like it should be more plausible than Moonlight becoming an Elantrian, then why he doesn't use it that much? Most likely answer I can think of is that it takes a shot of unkeyed Dor and that the transformation is either temporary or still has issues to work out. During the ramp to the climax of TLM, Kelsier implies that he's too far out to Steelpush to get back in time - and if he genuinely can't make it back in time, then it's not worth the expenditure of Dor. There's resource constraints that make Essence Marks impractical to offer as a solution for Scadrian democratization of power and may partially explain why he's trying so hard to get his own source of portable Investiture. If the transformation is temporary, then it also totally explains why he asks Harmony if he can ever be a Mistborn again while still implying that he can Steelpush. Doesn't have a Mistborn Essence Mark If this is the case then there's a few options I can think of: Something about Kelsier's nature as a Cognitive Shadow stapled via Hemalurgy on a Kandra (or so has been heavily implied and we assume) interferes with the Essence Mark and it doesn't take. Perhaps it can't overwrite his death and his time as a Shard that warped his Cognitive Shadow. This seems quite possible, even with a shot of Dor to brute-force it, though I'm guessing at the Realmatics. He hasn't told his crew that he isn't a Mistborn - though since a lot of them aren't native and would have to be told the significance, that seems weird. He hasn't been willing to divulge enough of his personal history to Moonlight for her to make a workable Essence Mark. This seems possible, but I'm not sure if it's enough of a deterrent for him to not have access to Mistborn, Feruchemist, or Fullborn abilities. It's a work in process and Moonlight has been recruited recently enough that she hasn't been able to carve one for him yet. Moonlight is unwilling to hand someone else that much power under whatever current agreement she has as a member of the Ghostbloods. Nonetheless, if we see Kelsier show up and start flying around with Steel and Duralumin, it doesn't necessarily mean that he cracked Lerasium. Thoughts?
  6. Here's some background information to setup the context for my question. In the context of taking control of Hemalurgic Constructs, emotional Allomancy is additive. There's a threshold where a single Mistborn burning Duralumin can Soothe a Koloss and take control of it, or a group of Soothers can jointly Soothe the Koloss to get the same effect. Strong enough Soothing or Rioting could be considered sufficient trauma to cause an Allomancer to Snap. Ruin's control of Koloss and Inquisitors operates on the same principle as emotional Allomancy. If a stronger force Soothes or Riots a group of Hemalurgists competitively then the stronger one gets control of the Hemalurgists. It's worth noting that Set Hemalurgist determined that the number of spikes they could use to grant powers without opening themselves to Harmony's influence was 3, unless they had a Trellium spike where we saw at least 4. With that information as back drop, for a normal Scadrian what are the limits of their resistance to Emotional Allomancy? Worded differently, if you had one person in a room and added progressively more Soothers Pushing on their emotions, if necessary adding in Nicrobursts to enhance the Soothers, would you ever be able to break and control a regular person the same way Hemalurgists are controlled? If not, what would happen to the person placed under that much pressure? What if the person was insane from a standpoint that they could hear a CS talking to them? Alternate question, when fighting the Set, would it have been possible for a group of powerful Soothers to lower the threshold of the Hemalurgist's resistance and allow Harmony to gain control of them? Thoughts? Imagine if a Scadrian Soothing parlor decided to become terrorists with the help of a Nicroburst, what could they accomplish?
  7. Basically the title, do we know the extent of Hoid's restrictions on hurting living things? Hoid's Coppermind article notes that he can't harm people and cannot eat anything he believes to be meat, but I'm not sure if that's the full extent. Is his restrictions on harming living things only sapient beings - dragons, humans, singers, Sho Del, etc., or does it extend to highly intelligent entities like Ryshadium, Larkin, Sleepless, horses, dolphins etc.?At what point does it stop restricting him or would he be majorly inconvenienced if someone were to release hundreds of thousands of flies into a room he was in and he couldn't even make a step or open his mouth without endangering their fragile bodies? Alternately fill his room with hamster or kittens. Could he move when he knows he will probably kill something accidentally? Yes, there are logical extremes to this progression, but I'm not going there just yet. He can make a Cognitive Shadow (Kelsier) think they are hurting, but could he harm an Honorspren made corporeal by Ishar before they died? Can he hurt spren in Shadesmar? You acquire a Bavadium Hemalurgic spike, one of the ones that is repulsed by an Allomancer burning metals. If you were to tell Hoid that you had setup a box with the spike positioned so that if he were to burn metals it would stab a cat inside (named Schrodinger, because), would that stop him from using Allomancy? Barring a stunt like Duralumin Pulling on the spike which is dumb in so many ways. Would he need to see the cat and the setup of the box to be restricted or if he never saw the cat would he still be free to act? Ignoring Lifesense for a moment (maybe he Awakened something), would he be restricted if he believed the cat was there but you hadn't actually put Schrodinger in the box? Mostly I'm interested in the room full of flies scenario as just about anyone could set that one up with barely any specialized equipment or abilities. Thoughts?
  8. So, here's what we know about the Shard Mercy: They fought with Odium and Ambition Mercy "worries" Sazed/Harmony. Originally, when I read about Mercy's part in the fight between Odium and Ambition, I had originally assumed that they had been defending Uli Da from Odium, as Odium is a serial killer and the prime antagonist of the Stormlight Archive, whereas Mercy has exclusively good connotations. However, some time ago, it was brought to my attention that Mercy could have been fighting with Odium, against Ambition. Their role in the fight is left ambiguous, so it could definitely be possible, especially given that at least Endowment has an extreme dislike of Uli Da, and Odium generally targeted Shards he could argue had broken the rules of their pact or were otherwise disliked. In that context, Sazed's "Mercy worries me" becomes far more ominous. Has Mercy settled on a more Taravangian-esque "I'll save them all" type of plan of action?
  9. Had to related what-ifs that may be possible and I'm not sure yet on the scope of the ramifications. What if Returned had a security phrase known to Endowment and anyone that she decided to divulge that information to? What if Nightblood or Azure's sword had security phrases? What would or would not be possible? Did Shashara have more control over Nightblood as the Awakener, or did Nightblood operate about as we've always seen? Thoughts? If these are possible there could be some pretty terrifying reveals.
  10. The title is actually a red herring, as I hope the tags imply. The discussion I want to start is regarding a question that I've wanted to ask Brandon for a while, but I don't think I'll ever get the opportunity - so let's discuss for ourselves, yes? What exactly determines who gets which magic system? We know that being born in a given territory gives you a Connection to the symbols of that territory, but what classifies as a territory? Is it geographical or geopolitical? Is an Elantrian an inhabitant of the kingdom of Arelon or an inhabitant of the surroundings of Elantris? If the borders between nations were to change - that is, if an empire were to annex a kingdom, or a kingdom were to be split into multiple nations, would the magic be affected in some way? If the Fjordell Empire annexed Arelon, would AonDor still work? And if it did, would it work in the same way? My gut instinct is yes to both of those questions, because we know that both the Fjordell and Rose empires seem to have multiple magic systems within them, but I'm not certain. The Dor exists in the Cognitive Realm, so it would make sense for it to reflect perceived distinctions between locations rather than spatial organization.
  11. I don't think it was ever explicitly explained why Kaladin remained awake through the suppression. Only he, Lift and Venli do of the Radiants in the tower. Lift and Venli have Lifelight/Voidlight weirdness to explain things, but what's up with Kaladin. Ideas: Radiants are particularly attuned to one or other of their Surges, and Kaladin is to Adhesion (which isn't suppressed) Problem: Kaladin hasn't exactly been a prodigy with Adhesion, at least not obviously more so than Gravitation, or compared to other Radiants. Kaladin is especially close to the Fourth Oath, while none of the others are, and this lets him break the suppression I don't love this because there are others with Shardblades (third oath) at the tower I think, and this seems like a very fuzzy boundary. Conscious/not unconscious should be a fairly big separator Kaladin has some special Honor connection stuff going on that we can only speculate about (perhaps via Syl, as one of the original honorspren) Nothing seems particularly satisfying to me so far. Thoughts?
  12. I suspect that Xisis and Foil are the same person. Both live at the bottom of an ocean. Both are knowledgeable regarding investiture. Both have a particular interest in aethers. Foil wishes to control the aethers. Xisis researches the ecosystem at the bottom of the spore seas and demonstrates control over spores in the Crimson Sea. Foil could be a slave of Xisis, except Foil communicates with Khriss, and Xisis does not let his slaves communicate with the outside. Foil could still be some other ocean-dwelling investiture expert with a specific interest controlling the aethers. What do you think?
  13. Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but i couldn’t find a thread on it. Chapter 106 kaladin breaks as a result of teft’s death and... then kills the pursuer horrifically. But a few things interest me here. Venli says: Like what Venli??? It doesn’t sound like void light?? But perhaps it is something about odium?? Or just a general corruption? But with all the light theory in this book it seems to not fit any categories. Kaladin also says he only has a vague memory of killing the pursuer and can’t think straight, and then proceeds to jump off the tower. So moash earlier had said that kaladin could either embrace odium’s emotion taking powers or could kill himself, and he did... both? Not sure if this whole thing is a consequence of him getting too far from the oaths (hence his reduced lashing ability), and if all radiants when they’re about to give up get a yellowish red cast to their glow but... I’m interested to hear other’s thoughts on this. what the heck does yellowish-red mean??
  14. do you think Adolin sucks? What are some reasons?
  15. We have seen that its possible to combine shards but intent doesn't always make it easy to act with investiture from these shards ex Harmony. What shard combinations would be the easiest to act with and the most powerful.(this includes shattered shards)
  16. We have seen that its possible to combine shards but intent doesn't always make it easy to act with investiture from these shards ex Harmony. What shard combinations would be the easiest to act with and the most powerful.(this includes shattered shards)
  17. If a Kandra took the bones, carapace, and gemheart of a singer, would they be able to attune the rythms? What form would they take, dullform because their spren left the gemheart or does the spren stay and they take the shape the singer had right before they died? Are the rythms inherent to their Connection to Roshar (Odium with the new rythms), or are they connected to their organs and biology, so that a kandra could copy it? What do you think about this?
  18. This may have been discussed already, but I was thinking that some of Lift's anomalies could be explained if she was a cognitive shadow stapled to her body somewhat akin to a Returned (but without the divine breath). Specifically, it could explain: 1. Her strong connection to the cognitive realm (since she's a CS), though we haven't seen another CS with her exact properties. 2. How Cultivation granted her wish "to stay the same" since a CS can be considered a fossilized version of the living entity (per Vasher, at least). Her powerset also explains some things that would otherwise pose issues if she were a CS -- e.g., the constant need for investiture (she can produce it fairly easily, so she's not in danger of running out unless she starves to death -- which would also kill her anyhow). This theory could generate some narrative interest for her flashback chapters in the back half (if she dies as a child and is saved by Cultivation, for example). That's the theory in a nutshell. If anyone is aware of any outright deconfirmations via WoB or would like to offer comments/critiques/refutations, be my guest.
  19. Early in Alloy of Law it was established that Wax's wife, uncle and sister were all dead. None of them were dead and all of them showed up as antagonist in one of the first three books. Gotta have one more to complete the Set Wax had parents (obviously) and a Grandmother, Vwafendal, who we met in BoM prologue. I'll go with Vwafendal because we met her and she lives in the Terris village that, much like the Set, has been obsessing over magical bloodlines in hopes of producing magic-users. The Village is focused on Feruchemists than the Set, but it's still an interesting parallel. Plus the Village has nothing but disdain for the outsiders in surrounding Luthadel. I could see someone like her working within the Set to take down Luthadel's government.
  20. I know it hasn't been announced and we don't technically know it's Mistborn all the streaming services are vying for, but come on. It's his second most popular series and unlike Stormlight there is a full arc of books completed. Anyways, I didn't see an active casting thread on Mistborn (apologies if I missed it) so I'm making one. I know it's myopic to fancast based on actors who have already done something similar because no one would have cast Heath Ledger as the Joker. BUT! I watched Sandman on Netflix and there is a blond-haired, charismatic sociopathic character on there and I was like "that's so Kelsier!" (name of the Mistborn sitcom spin-off?) Boyd Holbrook you may know him as the charismatic villain in Logan or as the charismatic villain in Sandman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Holbrook Clips of him, both a lil NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE2kKyJZRBo Logan https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VX1ziGBy4b8 Sandman I'm assuming he can speak without a southern accent. Although for all I know Kelsier has a southern accent, I've never met him. Either way I think he's perfect for Kelsier.
  21. I haven’t seen anyone voice this theory before, though some have come close. I’m keen to test it out in the court of fandom opinion. Rip into it, please. So we know from B.S. that the Knight Radiant orders use their Surges differently but we’re largely in the dark on how. It’s probably in part the resonance/mixing of the two Surges but also, I think, each order focuses on either the Physical or Cognitive aspect of a Surge. Specifically, they focus on the Physical aspects of their anticlockwise Surge (on the Surgebinding table) and the Cognitive aspects of their clockwise Surge. Explanation First I should establish what I think Physical v Cognitive Surges look like. Physical are the classic abilities the Radiants have; flying, illusions, disintegration. They are more literal and tangible. Cognitive abilities are more subtle and often figurative/abstract interpretations of the Surge. Being cognitive they mostly effect peoples thoughts and actions, I think the virtues associated with each order are mostly based on Cognitive Surges. For instance, Gravity’s Physical aspect can be the force holding things to the planet while it’s Cognitive aspect can be a person’s gravitas and charisma. Apparently Radiants usually pick up their anti-clockwise Surge first, and we’ve seen that they can struggle with their clock-wise Surge (especially relative to the order they share it with); Shallan basically gave up on Soulcasting, the Windrunners almost never use a basic lashing on other things, Venli’s stoneshaping experiences were awkward iirc. I think makes sense if the anti-clockwise Surge is their Physical Surge with more obvious and literal applications and for the clockwise one they have more subtle mental powers. When I thought of the Orders in this light many of the names and roles made a lot more sense. The whole theme of Roshar seems to be about bridging the Cognitive and Physical Realms, so it stands to reason the major magic system would straddle the divide. I’m not saying a Radiant has access to only the Physical or Cognitive application of a Surge, but it’s a focus; they major in one and minor in the other. Internal/external might comes into play with internal (personal) effects being lesser applications of the Surge they can access regardless of focus, and the external effects being greater abilities generally difficult for them if it’s not their focus. For example flying would be an internal use of Physical Gravitation, while launching objects and people would be an external use of the same. Applied theory I’d just like to mention, some of the WoR excerpts in WoR seem to be there specifically to mention the Cognitive abilities of an order. Windrunner- -Physical Adhesion: glue and wind -Cognitive Gravitation: charisma, leadership, gravitas, and general showboatiness (looking at you Kaladin) Skybreaker- -P. Gravitation: I imagine they’ll be throwing things around more? Maybe floating some perps? Haven’t seen much from them yet. -C. Division: possibly the impartiality needed for justice, also “separating the innocent from the guilty” Dustbringer- -P. Division: decay and burn -C. Abrasion: friction allows things to be held and move together, self-mastery is them getting a hold of themselves and “obedience” is sticking to another Edgedancer- -P. Abrasion: slicking and potentially something more destructive (after all it’s specifically abrasion instead of friction) -C. Progression: they take care of people to heal and nurture them mentally, described as “refined and eloquent” (inner growth), healing is a fairly Cognitive power Truthwatcher- -P. Progression: plant growth at least (they are heavily associated with plants), probably healing -C. Illumination: truth and watching, Illumination seems to be about reality perception and memory Lightweaver- -P. Illumination: illusions, obvi -C. Transformation: inspiring people to be different (Pattern even explicitly points this out), temporarily becoming a new person Elsecaller- -P. Transformation: soulcasting -C. Transportation: because this Surge bridges Physical and Cognitive I think the C. use is going to Shadesmar, also probably cerebral powers? Willshaper- -P. Transportation: going from Shadesmar, perhaps manifesting Cognitive things (fabrials?), maybe even teleportation? -C. Cohesion: shaping of will, helping communities work together, solid resolve, also might be why Venli’s first stoneshaping was so spreny Stoneward- -P. Cohesion: stoneshaping -C. Tension: stubbornness/dependability (stiff), resourceful (flexible) Bondsmiths are obviously exceptional, in their case I think their Surges are shifted or expanded towards the Spiritual. So Spiritual Adhesion creates Connections, and Tension tightens or slackens Connections or at least associations. GAHH! This turned into an essay, sorry. Any thoughts? Counter-theories? tldr: maybe Willshapers can teleport??
  22. The linchpin for this idea came from a question that came to mind while viewing other threads, though I will admit that it's based on supposition and unconfirmed ideas. I'm not asking if Paalm was influenced or corrupted by Trell, that much is obvious, I'm wondering if the control was to the extent to make her a slave as Marsh was. Ruin could corrupt and alter a person with even a small degraded Hemalurgic spike, as seen with Lord Penrod who eventually drove Luthadel to collapse. However, it seems that Harmony required 2 Spikes in Bleeder to take control of a Kandra. Three spikes was the limit that the Set determined would let them avoid influence from Harmony. I'm not sure why there is this great of a disparity. The question is this: how much control would Ruin have had over someone with a freshly charged Atium spike in them? It would make sense to me that Ruin would have much, much deeper control with his own essence piercing the soul of his slave. The follow up question is if a single spike of Trellium would have given Trell sufficient power over Paalm, particularly if Trell could make Paalm think that there wasn't anything wrong? This would be in the same way that Ruin could make Marsh think death and ash was beautiful, even while part of him was horrified at what he was doing. A few things that have made me wonder this is that in BoM, we get transcripts of VenDell's interview with ReLuur while ReLuur was missing a spike. Compare ReLuur's behavior, language, and mannerisms to the level of control Paalm has when mimicking Governor Innate or taking up the persona of Lessie. Basically I think there's no way ReLuur could have held it together to do a fraction of what Paalm did. So why does Paalm have such control, creating and executing an intricate and convoluted plan that almost works without a hitch, tricking a city, Wax, and the Kandra? Why didn't she have a major personality mood swing when Wax shot her with his earring, making a mismatched Blessing that apparently was incredibly unpleasant when ReLuur was given one of TenSoon's spikes? What happened with Paalm is not consistent with what we see later without a Trellium spike. Basically, I think that there was a lot of control and planning involved with Paalm, it just wasn't her own. There's obfuscation in that Edwarn Ladrian says that the Set are merely riding the storm of Bleeder's campaign, but we now know that the Set follow Trell, and that spike was from Trell (or at least Brandon lets us call it Trellium. Which brings me to my idea that Paalm was being controlled all along to do things that had she been sane might have agreed in a specific context, so even as a slave perhaps she never considered or even had the control to kill herself as she did at the end of SoS. I suspect she died there because Trell didn't want to reveal their hand more than had already been done. As a final note, at the end of BoM, Harmony says that Paalm would have remained "a slave in her mind" had Wax not killed her. Thoughts?
  23. First off, @Frustration I'm counting on you to be mean to my theory. Now, we know that after RoW, Taravangian took up the shard of Odium. The question is, what will he do with it. We know his main goal is to protect those closest to him, but if he can, he hopes to save as much of Roshar as he can. I would like to propose a very risk free way to do this: give Cultivation the shard of Odium. I believe this would work because, as this WoB illustrates, ROdium was afraid of combining with other shards, because "terrible things would happen. This means that potentially, another shard would change the intent enough that, even when the power is overpowering the vessel completely, they would not harm Roshar, at least not to the full extent. If the intent doesn't change enough, at the very least, the vessel would be partially immobilized, as Brandon describes here with reference to Sazed's situation. Now, why wouldn't TOdium just steal another shard for himself? Well, the other shards are aware of his streak of killing other shards, and then splintering the powers, thus, even those that potentially are okay with giving up their shard would avoid him at all costs. Taravangian knows this though, and he is still very smart, even if he doesn't still have his bane/boon. This means that he will plan around this, and he knows that the only way to accomplish the combination of his shard is to give it up and allow another vessel to take it up. Most likely cultivation, because she can probably be trusted, and is very accessible. Now the hardest part, giving away the shard. This is hard because we are aware of multiple individuals/groups that would love to swipe the shard, and TOdium can't just go up to Cultivation and give her the shard. Now, I'm not the best when it comes to realistic theory, but I would guess that it is possible to put the accumulation of the shard, or whatever it is that a person uses to take up a shard, entirely in the spiritual realm. With the spiritual realm being pretty inaccessible to those who we don't want getting the shard, but easy for Cultivation to reach, this makes it an ideal place for the transfer.
  24. Hey all, back again with more rampant crackpot speculation. This time it's definitely something way more casual, rather than a genuine cosmere-physics theory. What if Minecraft's Overworld (and perhaps Nether and End) were in the cosmere? Well for one, let's look at Enchanting and Potions, the two most blatant arcana of the game. Enchanting uses EXP, but also consumes Lapis... I wonder if it's a bit like a Biochromatic Breath situation, where the EXP is the Investiture and the Lapis provides a catalyst like the Color for awakening. Lapis IS historically "the" blue dye, and you can turn it into a literal blue dye item in minecraft, so that checks out. Words are definitely also important to Enchanting though, given the whole Bookshelf thing... A bit like AonDor, then? Hmm... Well, as for Potions, the most obvious Investiture source for them is the Nether Wart that turns a water bottle into an Awkward Potion. Adding other items alters the effect, so perhaps it's like how the different Metals can focus Investiture into doing specific things. Gold actually is pretty consistent with that; even in Minecraft, gold is used for healing. Gold apples give regeneration, and Glistering Melon slices (made with gold) create Healing potions. Huh. That kinda works too well. Alright, so we've speculated about the actual, overt magic of Minecraft. Now for the fun part. Sculk and Redstone. "Wait, what? How is Redstone a system of Investiture?" Good question, I'm glad you asked, me. That one's a bit more speculative, so let me discuss Sculk first, because it'll segue nicer into Redstone. Sculk is most likely a collection of Investiture-fed organisms similar to the Lichen of White Sand, except they feed on EXP instead of invested Sunlight. The Sculk Catalyst takes EXP from killed mobs nearby and uses it to grow new Sculk, overtaking blocks and even growing new Sculk Sensors, which are VERY, VERY interesting. Sensors detect different frequencies of vibrations and output a Redstone signal. If you use a Comparator, they even output a signal from 1-16. Hmm. Very nice number, that. Suspiciously nice. The Warden also might be an example of the Sculk acting like the worms that Aviar eat in order to gain their invested powers. An invested symbiote. Of course, it could also just be something that the Sculk creates to defend itself... But there's a few subtle details about the Warden that make me believe it's a symbiotic defender of the Sculk, primarily the "soul" particles we see in the chest, that beat at different rhythms when it gets agitated or when it's calm. Even if the entire Physical form is Sculk-generated, I believe at least the core of its Spiritweb would be taken from something else. As to what, I have no clue. Anyway, back to the Sensor and its curious behavior. I find it very convenient that it interacts with Redstone in such a specific way. Almost as if they shared a common link. Almost as if Redstone Signals are a form of Investiture... Wouldn't that sort of explain how you can just put a stick on a block of cobblestone to make a lever that can cause a piston to lift, what, 16 blocks of solid iron a meter upwards? Where the hell is that energy coming from? Well, how about the Spiritual Realm? What if Redstone is Corrupted Investiture manifested in a physical form, growing underground like an Atium Geode? That begs the question then, which shard is corrupting which other shard? I propose that it's Autonomy corrupting Invention. It just seems like it makes sense. Redstone fits both of those shards' Intent quite well, and ties back into the Sculk because Autonomy seems to have a thing for invested lifeforms like the Sand Lichen and the Aviar. But Invention... I mean... Isn't that just the essence of Minecraft? I would almost expect Invention's actual Shardworld to feel kinda like modded Minecraft. Wait, the essence of minecraft... EXP? Well that would tie things together nicely. After all, it seems to be actions that involve invention that produce EXP. Gathering resources and changing them into new forms, like mining iron ore and turning it into ingots, or cooking food, or killing mobs for resources. Crafting doesn't give EXP, but that's probably just because it's so common and easy to access, both from a game-development perspective and from an invested art one. Another thought one of my friends had is that Glowstone might be uncorrupted Redstone, which... Actually kinda works, it's a crystal that gives off light, in this case it would be due to containing Inventionlight, which ties back into Potions. Glowstone boosts the potency of potions, while Redstone makes them last longer. Also, that would make Redstone Lamps related to sphere lanterns and that makes me happy for no particular reason. So what do you guys think? Did I miss any obvious Cosmere-like aspects of minecraft? Do you think I'm just crazy? Are Vexes just corrupted Allays which are basically just Windspren?
  25. TL;DR The Old Magic is reminiscent of Ashyn’s disease-based Magic. Ashyn Magic is the mysterious Voidbinding. As we all know the Old Magic is a “cousin” to Voidbinding and it’s “10 Levels”. OK no one but Khriss seems to know this. (WoK Ars arcanum) I think this helps us figure out what Voidbinding is and who was doing it. Old Magic is when Nightwatcher gives you something good, a Boon, and something bad, a Bane. Ashyn’s semi-canon Magic system is diseased-based. You can get something good, Magic, only if you have something bad, a disease. Brandon already confirmed they are related. Although one could always push back and say he meant “In any way”. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/390/#e12681 Why Call It Old Magic? Early humans on Roshar encountered the Nightwatcher and it reminded them of Ashyn magic because you have to get something bad in order to get something good. Odium made the Fused and humans aligned with Honor and Cultivation. As part of their effort to bury their history as the Voidbringers the humans would of course not refer to the Nightwatcher’s Boon/Bane as Voidbinding (both the Spren and Cultivation would not appreciate it. So they called it the Old Magic instead. 10 Levels? Yes, 10 because for all of the Roshar system except for Braize the “magic number” is 10. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/33/#e2745 Voidbinding was on Ashyn where Odium tempted a “Bondsmith” to experiment with the surges (per Syl in RoW interlude 1). Thus not limited to 9. Odium is trapped on Braize which is limited to 9. That’s why the Fused orders / surges are capped at 9. Binding? We associate binding with Honor and Honor was not on Ashyn. Why call it voidbinding? Well we know Dawnshards we’re involved with Ashyn’s destruction (OB ch. 38) and Rosharan history speaks of a Dawnshard that could “bind any creature voidish or mortal” (WoK ch 36) epigraph. Who did the voidbinding? The voidbringers of course! Using the Dawnshard that binds on Ashyn
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