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It is mentioned very early on that marriages between high ranking darkeyes and low ranking lighteyes are not unheard of, has the heritability of eye-color ever been addressed in any of the many AMAs Sanderson has done? In the event of a hypothetical marriage between a lighteyes of the 10th dahn and a darkeyes of the 1st nahn what would the probability be that a child would be lighteyed verses dark, and would the child's social rank depend on phenotypical eye-color?

Moash and Kaladin were both raised to 4th nahn and granted land for becoming Shardbearers. Are all Radiants who reach the Shardblade oath being granted 4th nahn status? The land part doesn’t mean much while Alethkar is occupied, but if the humans retake the country, will loads of former darkeyes take over parcels of land across Alethkar? Will natural-born lighteyes accept that? It’s one thing in exile during a time of emergency, but I bet many of them want to return to the previous status quo. I think darkeyes, both Radiants and regular, will have to struggle during peacetime to keep the gains they made during the war with the fused/singers.

You know how Kaladin in SA hates how the darkeyes are treated and absolutely loathes the lighteyes? Well, I was just thinking that compared to the skaa on Scadrial, the darkeyes have it real good. I would be curious to see what Kaladin thought about the skaa compared to the darkeyes' situation, and I also wonder how a conversation between Kaladin and Kelsier would go, seeing as they both hate seeing oppresion.

For context, here are some Reddit threads calling Kaladin racist: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/3zy3ot/is_kaladin_racist_prejudiced_neither_or_both/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/72gox8/wor_kaladins_sexual_attraction_towards_lighteyes/ Commentary on Lighteye/Darkeye and White/Black/Brown connection: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/4em7ln/no_spoilers_the_stormlight_series_and_racism/ This thread which in which the OP expresses their frustration: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7ph41q/worno_spoilers_anyone_else_get_frustrated_with/ Other Stormlight characters have been discussed in this context see this thread which rips into Shallan and justifiably so: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/7icm21/oathbringerob_chapter_15_about_shallan/ Kaladin is not racist. I can't believe I even need to say this. Also is it just me or is Reddit seriously messed up? He had no problem with Renarin. He decided to trust Dalinar even through re-encountering Amaram. He has distrust, which is understandable given everything he had been through from Roshone to Amaram. I understand that this comes from the chapters where Colot was recruited into Bridge 4 and Tenners, that is Lighteyes from the Tenth Dahn from Kholinar. Kaladin accepts this and moves on. He has no visceral reactions against people based on eye color alone, only distrust. Adolin is going to get better, I think, his attitude towards Kaladin changes in Oathbringer, hopefully the change was permanent. While previously he used to make some problematic statements, calling Kaladin "Bridgeboy", commenting on Darkeyes having authority or Shards after everything Kaladin's done for him. But after the escape from Kholinar he might actually choose to try to listen and understand, like Kaladin did with his Bridge 4. I'm still miffed at Dalinar for calling equality a problem for another day No comments on Shallan. Regarding the system of Dahn & Nahn, according to the Coppermind: 1st The King 2nd Highprinces, their direct heirs, and the King's direct heir. 3rd Generals, Highlords, and the non-inheriting children of 1st and 2nd dahn lighteyes. 4th Battalionlords, Citylords, Shardbearers, and other mid-ranked nobles. 5th Companylords, along with lower-ranked nobles. 6th Captainlords, along with the lowest-ranked nobles and landholders. 7th Lower-ranking landless officers, higher-ranking (or very wealthy) landless lighteyes. 8th Soldiers, high-ranking (or moderately wealthy) landless lighteyes. 9th Landless lighteyes with some wealth, like merchants and master craftsmen. 10th "Tenners", essentially any lighteyes who has to work for a living. Are all ranked above the ten Darkeyes Nahns, high-ranked Nahn cannot be conscripted if they perform a viral function and high-mid Nahn have the right to travel. Only Darkeyes can be slaves. Also what Kaladin calls destitution and what Shallan calls destitution That's messed up: classism, casteism, and racism all rolled into one. It's better than Mistborn's system of Nobles and Skaa but still... yikes

I have been wanting to have this discussion for sometime. It’s a sensitive subject , but I think it’s a worthy discussion. What do u think Brandon is trying to convey ? I see two possibilities ? A legacy option and a philosophical option . legacy option : light eyes are the descendants of the KR . Since the KR were the leaders during the desolation this makes sense . U must keep in mind there are eye colors we don’t have IRL : light yellow, light orange , light green. Horn eaters have no lighteyes so we can infer they had no KR . I have heard rumors that Horneaters have listener blood . If this is true then that’s probably why they have no KR. And maybe explains why they can eat shells with their teeth and see Spren. Anyways this doesn’t stop them for trying to get a shardblade . Which I will go into my next point . Philosophical option: Roshar is a fantasy world . The races in Roshar don’t match up. With the Races we have IRL. So every culture seems to have ignorant predjudices . IRL we have racial predjudice , and religious predjudice . Even caste systems like in Japan. So I think Brandon wanted to create a unique predjudice , one that he could use in his narrative to oppress people, and not offend anyone . I think racism is pure ignorance. I think Brandon wanted us to look at it and go well that’s a stupid reason to think u are better than somebody . The Horneaters come down and fight trying to get. A shardblade . I think it’s because they want to have a path to becoming a light eyes , even if they won’t admit their true motives. so what do u guys think about light eyes and Darkeyes ? What viewpoint do you have ? What was Brandon trying to convey. To us ?

This is more a general question that I'm hoping can be answered relatively quickly, but I am searching for instances in either WoK or WoR where darkeyes feel the Thrill. The only instances of feeling the Thrill I can think of come from Dalinar and Adolin viewpoint chapters and possibly a conversation between Sadeas and Dalinar. Essentially, the only examples I can come up with where a character specifically feels or notices another character experiencing the Thrill come from lighteyes chapters. During Taravangian's viewpoint Interlude it is mentioned that the Thrill had been particularly strong during the battle of Vedenar, but that single mention still doesn't prove that darkeyes feel it--it could still mean that lighteyes commanders were affected and gave irrational or vindictive orders intending to totally crush their opponents. It may be that we have a tainted sample size of darkeye chapters, as our main darkeyes are Kaladin the Radiant and all those in Bridge 4 who are his potential squires. With Dalinar losing the Thrill throughout WoK, there is a strong argument to be made that being a proto-Radiant or nascent Radiant--or even just receptive to stormlight like squires--makes it more difficult for the Thrill to latch on to you. This would also mean that Kaladin and Bridge 4 are similarly protected from the recklessness of the Thrill, which would explain why I can't come up with a specific instance of a specific darkeye experiencing the Thrill. Taravangian also mentions that certain Unmade are more intelligent than others...it may be that the Unmade causing the Thrill specifically targets the leaders of a nation and its most powerful military commanders and warriors (i.e., shardbearers) in order to foment additional pain and destruction, leading to more hate. I apologize if this topic exists already...I couldn't find it. I'm eager to read others' thoughts or receive a swift correction if I'm in the wrong.

All I want to know is why Skaa is above Darkeyes on the community reputation ranking. You'd think it'd be opposite since Skaa are (or were) often slaves or beggars while Darkeyes often owned their own houses and were actuall paid workers. Plus even Darkeyed slaves got payed (even if it was just a pittance).

So, I know there has been a lot of debate about how "light" someone's eyes need to be in order to actually be considered a lighteyes, but I haven't seen anyone bring up heterochromia? Eyes with more than one color? I know there's the Veden king's bastard son, but to my understanding, that was a genetic thing, whereas heterochromia, to my knowledge, involves a mild injury during birth that results in either whole or part of the eye's pigment changing (not really sure how it works, that's just what research has told me). Are there any ideas about where this would put someone in the Alethi system?

Does anyone know what eye color Brandon has?

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