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This thread is for making pickup lines used on or by characters in the cosmere I can start Shallan: If I had four quarters to give to the four prettiest girls in the world, you would have a dollar.

I have been working on this for a bit. I would love some constructive criticism. I really think that the top row is a kind of essential background for understanding many references. I started with WoK and the writing was not as great as I read the rest of the Cosmere, which was a bit of a let down (I still like all of the books, but SLA is my favorite series). This is more designed for new readers to try to get them into the Cosmere. Thoughts?

Should there be a "Suggested Prerequisites" or "References" list for each Cosmere book? Two thoughts led me to this: 1) The latest books seem have more and more tie-ins to other Cosmere worlds and magics. More and more, one needs to have read some previous books in order to understand all the references. I'm guessing this trend will only increase as the entire Cosmere is woven into one large saga. 2) I was thinking of recommending the books to a friend of mine, but realized I wasn't sure what I should recommend that they read first. Elantris, Warbreaker, and the start of the first Mistborn trilogy seem like good starting points (unless there are references that I missed - which is quite likely). I think it might be beneficial to new readers to have a list of "before you read that, you might want to read this". It can be just "suggested" because it's still possible to enjoy the main story without getting all the references. "References" might be better name for it - i.e. "This book references these other books". That would be able to handle the cases where two books take place at the same time and reference each other, as in the latest Cytoverse books. How a new reader accesses the list of references without being exposed to spoilers will be another challenge.

Ok, this is kind of a crazy theory of mine, without much evidence currently, but here we go. We all know that both aluminum and silver have strange effects. Aluminum is able to negate any form of investiture, and silver is able to do something similar. I believe that silvers actual abilities tie more to the crossing between the three realms. (On threnody where the cognitive shades are held back by silver, in tress where the spores are unable to draw power from the spiritual realm when near silver, etc.) So while aluminum blocks investature, silver functions as a barrier between realms. Aluminum has one other ability though, It can be burned by mistborns/mistings. And now we get the the point. Every shard has a god metal, so I wonder if adonalsium THEMSELVES had a god metal. We know that the metals can still be around after a vessels death, we see this in TLM when both ruin and preservations metals are once again created. So, I believe that silver is adonalsium's god metal. This is a lot of guesses and extrapolation, but think about it. If adonalsium truly is, like, GOD, then it makes sense that they would have created the three realms, and as the sole deity, they would have been spread over the entire cosmere, maybe spreading and diluting their god metal. Its abilities are not tied to all the other metals, including aluminum, as it cannot be burned and has no attachment to any other from of investature, only the fabric of the realms themselves. Now back to Aluminum. It is suggested throughout many books that Hoid was with the 16 when Adonalsium was killed, to the point where this is just a fact. If Hoid helped to kill Adonalsium, then gave up his share of the power, like I believe, then there is another god metal. I think hoid dispersed the actual "17th shard" over the cosmere, and the 17th god metal was similairly dispersed, which is ALUMINUM. sorry if i was rambling, I am excited to see your guys' ideas

Hey All! Long time lurker, first time poster, so I apologize if the formatting isn't quite right. There will be plenty of spoilers regarding the later Stormlight books and the Dawnshard novella, so please tread lightly if you haven't read those yet. After my most recent reread of RoW I noticed how much discussion there is on Hoid’s flute and it got me thinking that it must be more significant than just a simple musical instrument. Perhaps the flute is actually the Dawnshard that Hoid has had since the shattering? Before people jump down my throat, I am aware of the theorized connection between Hoid’s Dawnshard and the First Gem. However, as we saw in the Dawnshard novella, the receptacle of the Dawnshard can obviously change from items to people. So I went back and started tracing where we have previously seen or head mention of the flute. We know that Hoid has had the flute for an extremely long time when he tells Kaladin that he has carried it longer than Kaladin would believe. The way Hoid explains the flute always seemed odd to me To me, Kaladin’s confusion about this is reasonable. He probably hasn’t seen many people play the flute while simultaneously storytelling. What bugs me about the wording is that Hoid claims he “uses” it instead of simply saying that he plays it. A little later in the passage Brandon describes Kaladin’s reaction to the music The emphasis on demanding here is what catches my attention. Sure, people describe music as demanding occasionally, but perhaps there is a bit more here. After Hoid finishes the story he gives Kaladin the flute and tells him that Which I will admit, on its own, doesn’t seem all that consequential at first glance. But when I start thinking about the little that is known of Dawnshards that passage starts to take on a different meaning. We know from the Dawnshard novella that to properly use a Dawnshard, it requires both Intent and Command. So perhaps “mastering” the flute in this context Hoid is hinting to Kaladin being able to use the Dawnshard. Further, we also know that holding Dawnshards for a long-time changes people (from Oathbringer epilogue) which has obviously happened to Hoid due to his inability to hurt others. Now Kaladin loses the flute relatively quickly after receiving it from Hoid, so he wouldn’t have developed those same effects, but maybe his time with the flute in his possession did have an effect. Kaladin is only one of two known surgebinders who was able to remain awake during the occupation in RoW. I know there are completely logical explanations made in the book as to why he was able to remain conscious, but I think it is possible that this explanation is incomplete and that Kaladin’s time with a Dawnshard in his possession assisted in his consciousness. As I mentioned, there was only one other surgebinder who remained awake, Lyft, who we find out at the end of the book has had the flute in her possession from some time after the move from the Shattered Plains! We all know that Hoid rarely appears or takes action that aren’t absolutely necessary to meet his own goals (whatever they may be). He tells Dalinar himself near the end of WoR that So maybe Hoid felt it was time to pass on the Flute (which I suspect to be the Dawnshard) because he felt Kaladin and eventually Lyft would have greater need of it in the near future.

New here, but not new to Sanderson. I'm really looking forward to going through the forums and catching up. I've read all of the Cosmere as well as the Skyward series, and my favorite is the Stormlight Archive; my favorite book being Words of Radiance. Anyway, HI!

I noticed this quote on my third read of TWoK and found it of some note. This sort of touches on the fourth wall which is something that basically never happens in cosmere works-but it seems to happen here. It technically could be something else, and I'd love to hear opinions. What does this mean...? Oh, also this which has a small chance of being a fourth wall break as well (But easily could actually mean what it means when taken at face value.) Hoid just seems like the type of person to sneak in a double meaning of that sort. I don't usually suspect this kind of quote, but this in particular feels like something.

So obviously this is like 80% speculation, but hey that's what makes it fun right? We generally assume that reforming Adonalsium is possible, partly because its been mentioned by Hoid, who is by far the most reliable source of information (at least when he gives it) on the past and the deepest workings of the cosmere. However, even Hoid seems uncertain as to the possibility, as shown in his conversation with Daliner. Personally I think he have yet to see any convincing evidence that the possibility exists. Starting with the most obvious, Sazed is the only example of a combination of the 16 original shards held by one person that we have seen, and I think its fair to say that as an experiment in combining the shards, he has been less than successful. Not only is he incapable of really taking action, but he is actively struggling to hold the two together. I have to assume that no successfully recreated version of Ado would include the vessel working that hard to keep the whole together, and if it did it sounds profoundly dangerous. However, even putting those things aside, describing Harmony as a combination of the two shards of Preservation and Ruin at all is generous. We (and everyone else) have always understood Harmony as two distinct shards that happen to be held by the same vessel. The same is true of Ettemetal, which is immensely unstable and, despite god metals acting like elements, can be split into Atium and Lerasium as if it was an alloy. I actually have made a post before about whether this is a state inherent in holding 2 shards or not, here: Also to consider, is the ongoing question of whether there was a vessel for Adonalsium or whether it was literally just sentient magic goop. If it would need a vessel to recombine Ado then I think there is a significant question of who could serve. Its a question for another thread, but long story short, single shards need people with specific traits that align with the shards to be effective bearers, and the requirements seem to have been even more demanding for Sazed taking up 2 shards. So, would Adonalsium have requirments that are just so absurd that only the perfect person could ever hope to do it, or would the intent of all sixteen shards be a wash and just any old guy could pick up the divine power of all creation? Alternativly, if Adonalsium does not need a vessel then that opens up a whole other can of worms. Vasher says something along the lines of "if you leave magic alone for long enough it becomes sentient" (I dont have the book on hand sorry for the vague quote) in RoW while talking with Kaladin. So, I assume the theory would be that you just kinda drop all 16 shards in one place and wait, but that also leaves a lot of problems. The Dominion and Devotion shards on Sel were dropped after odium did what he does, and now they are kinda just chilling in the cognitive realm, apparently making it super dangerous to go there. This raises the question of whether you need to leave the 16 shards alone in a specific way to get adonalsium and not just an apocalypse, or maybe D&D are somehow unable to merge together as Ado would, but either way surely they should have become sentient by now, something we have had no indication of. Also, some of the shards have intent which is directly opposed to reforming Adonalsium, which surely would be an obstacle. Most importantly, Autonomy is deeply opposed to mixing with other shards. I have to assume it is still possible to mix autonomy with other shards but it also must be much more difficult, similar to how Bavadium is repelled by Ettemetal. Would the presence of all the pieces of Adonalsium make a difference there? Odium also does not want to be mixed, but if im honest I have always been unclear on how much of that was Odium and how much of that was Rayse. Finally, the way that Adonalsium was shattered probably matters. If it was just that enough force was applied to separate the shards (however the heck that would even be possible) that sure, but I cant imagine it was that simple, and it seems more likely that it involved a fundamental changing of the way that investiture exists to acomplish Long story short, it seems like one of two things needs to be true for Adonalsium to even be a possibility on the table. 1) The boring answer, that simply the fact that all 16 shards are there and not some combination of a few changes the way they interact with each other, simply bypassing all these problems, or 2) The way in which we understand both how shards combine together, and how investiture acts when it is left alone are deeply flawed. As a final note, at the end of the day I do think Adonalsium being reformed is possible, after all it would kinda be narativly unsatisfying if it was just "sorry about the years of speculation yall, it was never even an option," I just don't see how its possible given our current information

Hiya! its me Freya So I have been wondering about how the metals (non-godmetals) interact with investure, so I figured we could maybe try and use this thread to theorize a bit and gather up everything we know, because I'm sure there is stuff that I have missed. as far as I'm aware there are 17 metals that interact with ivestiture in the cosmere. Steel Iron Pewter Tin Zinc Brass Copper Bronze Duralumin Aluminum Nicrosil Chromium Gold Electrum Cadmium Bendalloy Silver (I'm gonna ignore this one because it seems to be it's own separate thing from the other metals) The First 16 of these metals are established parts of all 3 metallic arts (allomancy, hemolurgy, and furochemy) I'm gonna try and avoid delving into these because they are their own magic system, and less about the metals themselves and how they interact with the investiture. The 16 Allomantic metals are also established parts in making specific types of fabrials, based on what spren they interact with within a gemstone. We know that alluminum interferes with investiture on the pages in mistborn, warbreaker, stormlight, and Emperors soul. that covers a pretty huge swath of types of investure that we know that this metal interacts with. based on that, you can easily assume that it will probably interact with all other types of investiture, and that the other allomantic metals will interact investiture as well. To put the cherry on top here, I believe we have a couple Words of Brandon confirming this. So working off of this we can assume that all the first 16 metals, (The allomantic metals) interact with all types of investiture in varying ways. but this is doesn't exactly help us understand what the metals actually do. It's like looking to see if the generator is on in a building, but never checking what it is powering. the information is good to know but not very useful on its own. so we need to list everything we know for sure that a metal does to investiture, either via WOB or on the page confirmation. I'm going to write a small group of stuff I remember and that I think is important. I would love to create a list with all confirmed effects metal has on investiture, with each metal. A: Rhythm of War Epigraphs (https://coppermind.net/wiki/Rhythm_of_War/Epigraphs) The important epigraphs here are 6 through 11, giving us a fairly in-your-face piece of the puzzle. Using these I'm gonna make a couple of assumptions. The categories used in the allomantic table (Push, Pull, and possibly the 4 larger categories, Physical, Mental, Enhancement, and Temporal) are still important to how metals interact. while I would be hesitant to say that the 4 larger categories are going to be the same, the metals within them clearly are. Zinc and brass, along with Pewter and Tin, still have paired effects. from what is said we can easily assume that Iron and Steel are still paired as well, although it hasn't been discovered yet. From these tidbits, we can assume that all the metals that have paired effects in the allomantic table will have paired effects on how they interact with investiture. The effect the metals have, at least on some types of investiture, is a passive effect. the metals in the fabrials don't need to be invested or capital C connected to anything to have an effect, they simply change the investiture that is within close proximity to them, in this case, being pressed up against a gemstone filled with the said investiture. the metal simply has to exist, and it will have an effect. I think this is an important thing to note. The metals will have similar effects across types of investiture, most of the time. the attractor fabrial, made using iron, is incredibly similar to the effect iron has in allomancy. The theorized repelling fabrial, assuming it does use steel, would also have an incredibly similar effect to how it functions in allomancy. Brass and zinc strengthen and weaken a sprens presence, very similar to strengthening or weakening the presence of a specific emotion. B: Aluminum Aluminum is seen across the cosmere as a sort of catch-all block to investiture at this point. it's used in fabrials to direct investiture signals by blocking certain connections, and is completely resistant to forgery. aluminum is completely immune to allomantic manipulation from steel and iron, and burning it as an allomancer is essentially the same as pressing ctrl + alt + delete on all the metals, or possibly all investiture, you had inside you (is there a WOB on if burning aluminum would get rid of stormlight or biochromatic breath in your body?). it is possible that aluminum, if thick enough, could block a shardblade. aluminum cannot be lashed or soulcast. nightblood, possibly the most invested object in all of the cosmere, is almost completely contained with just and aluminum sheath, only able to send his thoughts out to those around him. this is another huge point in favor of the third assumption I made with the Rhythm of War Epigraphs. Tress of The Emerald Sea Spoilers (not major to plotline but still spoilers) That's all I remember without too much digging, however I am certain there is more. Is there any big things that I missed? I have a couple of theories on how certain things like how making an aon out of a certain metal might change how it works, but I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this stuff.

I was wondering if there was the possibility of more Cosmere-aware groups made up of people from different worlds like the Ghostbloods and the Seventeenth Shard that haven't appeared in Canon yet but will? Like a Cosmere interplanetary smuggling group or Cosmere nomads? What role do you imagine they could play in the overall story of the Cosmere?

Question for you all from a friend: Certain excerpts (quoted below) indicate that Preservation sacrificed a part of his consciousness to give humans on Scadrial sentience. Given that sentient humans existed on Yolen and currently exist on other Comere planets, what do we think this means for the story of human arrival on Scadrial--did something go terribly wrong? Or is it possible I am misinterpreting? I don't think it can be a throwaway line, because the sacrifice is what allowed Ruin to overcome Preservation near the end of era 1. I am happy to provide more excerpts if they could be helpful. This question comes from a friend who has read only era 1; if possible, try to refrain from era 2 spoilers--thanks so much!

MISTBORN SPOILER Hey everyone, I was wondering about Sazed's (allignment?). Im sure it's a common topic if Sazed is really Harmony or Discord. We know Lyras used up / killed / lost part of Preservation when he created the humans of Scadrial / broke the contract so technically Preservation is lesser than Ruin? However, both powers have been described as basically infinite so I am not sure this even matters. I was questioning if we have any evidence or solid ideas if he ever sneakily changed some scripts or other stuff, like Ati used to do. We know he allowed spook's book to be "known" but that might be a completely rewritten version. I am just sus of Sazed because both Kel and Hoid avoid him like the plague. [ ]

Hoid. The man, the myth, the guy who will insult you so you punch out his teeth so he can spy on someone. We know this man has connections to the original shards. I saw a theory that he is trying to rebuild andolism and is collecting the power of the Invested arts so he can Connect to the shard in order to hold it. So is he trying to connect to all the shards and then wait for a large event to arise where he then takes them all up to become Adolism. I also want to point out a phrase Hoid says in ToTES "I am guilty of saying that phrase to someone, sixteen people actually" How do you quote something in a dropdown? I fear I misquoted. Also, Rysn(?) (Odium) has extreme feelings of hate toward Hoid but this could just be the influence of the shard itself. Please help my thoughts are tangled up and I'm really curios about this.

Here is a little fan fict I started. It is a list of characters, who are worldhoppers, that write a newspaper. Here is the character list! Sorry, kinda long. The paper is called Worldhoppers Weekly. The Lone Coinshots Members and Descriptions Velendsier, home planet: old Scadrial : Velendsier is the happy-go-lucky blogger of the group. She has had a great life, and doesn't quite understand people who haven't. She travels to different worlds for her monthly vacations. She gives lists of the best vacation destinations and eateries. She gives out her favorite hacks and recipes for each world. She is very socially interactive and wants to go see everything and everyone possible. Whenever Val sees a problem, she wants to fix it. However, she quickly realizes that you can’t help everyone, but what happens when she needs to make a life-altering decision on whose safety comes first? Kasinar, home planet: Roshar: Kas is your run-of-the-mill, everyday conspiracy theorist. He knows about all of the shards but sees relationships in them that others discredit. He labels governments corrupt, or worlds close to ending, but more often than not his theories prove false. He is the more serious(ok, paranoid) one in the group and is more sensitive when the others jest. He is worried about the end of his world, his life, and the cosmere as a whole. Through his adventures worldhopping he must find hope in the almighty and eternity , but can any change this heretic’s mind? Zarek Malarn, home planet: new Scadrial: Zarek is a former writer for the Elendel Daily newspaper. He was fired for his speaking out strongly towards political issues. Shortly after the Governmental Scandal of Elendel, he was fired for “disrespecting the officials of Elendel”-Editor in chief for Elendel Daily, speaking on Malarn’s harsh words. Soon after Zarek knew that people needed to hear what he had to say, and not just people on new Scadrial. He became a worldhopper and helped found worldhoppers weekly. He is the perfect balance of serious and easy-going. He keeps his newspaper style when writing for Weekly and gets along well with Velendsier and Kasinar. But can he regain the trust and friendship of the people of Elendle?

Twin born ability is plus 4 spikes of your choice. Your opponent is a 4th ideal knight radiant What will you choose.

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As the title says, I am planning a short story set on Monody, first planet in the Threnodite system. Is this something you guys would want to see posted, or should I keep it to myself? Also I am not sure about Dragonsteel's stance on unapproved derivative works, does anyone know if they would have a problem with me posting a story set in their IP? I've got some pretty decent brainstorming done and I think I came up with very interesting ideas. I wanted to hear your opinions on this before I started though.

So, I think most of us have known for a while now that the allomantic metals actually effect all kinds of investiture. we see it constantly in books outside of mistborn. nightbloods sheath is made of aluminum, fabrials use the allomantic metals to get specific effects, and its used in all three of the metalic arts. we also know that Nightblood is actually made of an allomantic metal, although idk if we know which one it is. we also see iron and steel used in ToTES. but there has been one thing that has been bothering me for a long time now. and its silver. silver isn't an allomantic metal. but it effects investiture anyway. it seems to destroy it in some way, or absorb it, or send it back to the spiritual realm??? its awfully similar to aluminum in the way that it is used as a sort of investiture insulation, but it tends to get rid of investiture more, sometimes in an area around it. is it possibly changing the enviroment around it to make investiture more diffucult to remain in the physical realm? would it work the same in other realms? its just bizzare, and I feel like ive missed something important. does anyone know more about silver? do we have WOBs maybe? or just any ideas on what it actually is doing?

alr i have recently stumbled apon this and have decided that it is now the best way to rate any superpower or magic system. it goes like this: Can the power/magic system allow me to win a fight from a random guy with a shotgun? if not it fails. bad power not useful for combat. if yes, how many random guys would it be able to let me take on? post your assesments :b Edit: sorry, i wasn't aware that the word I was using was a slur spoiler for context here