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  1. I think our original poster is confusing words with Shardic intent. Honour will always try and cultivate honor. It's in the shards nature. The word 'cultivate' is just another word for "bring about", "increase", "imbue" etc. It's impossible for him to help his subjects become more honourable, without 'cultivating' such. Cultivation, with Dalinar, was following her shardic intent of growth. She specifically says something along the lines of "Sometimes you have to prune, in order to grow". That's a very cultivation thing to do. She didn't specifically look for honour, but growth.
  2. I'm surprised that Kaladin isn't included in the list of who Odium's champion could be. Odium said he wanted someone who could dominate a battlefield. Currently we are only looking at: - Dalinar - Kaladin - Szeth - Adolin - a Herald Non combat-skill oriented KR don't count as they won't dominate a battlefield - because as soon as they come up against a combat-skill KR, they are likely to lose, as they can't invest the combat-skilled KR. Heralds aside, of all the characters we've seen, only Dalinar and Kaladin have shown they can dominate a battlefield with little to no Plate/Surgebinding help (Bridge 4 rescuing Dalinar's army, where Kaladin only had access to small amounts of stormlight, and no abilities). But Dalinar has shown he is not going to be turned. And on the list above, Szeth too has shown he's not going to be turned. Kaladin & Adolin are both contenders. Of Adolin & Kaladin, it is Kaladin who appears to have the most wriggle room for Odium to come in and take over. It is Kaladin who has the most doubts. It is Kaladin who appears to have the most potential darkness in him. Of the two, it is Kaladin who appears would more dominate the battlefield. The clues are there for Kaladin to become the Champion of the Dark. Not saying that I want to see him become that champion, just that it really wouldn't surprise me if he did.
  3. I see several people mentioning using emotional allomancy. I'm not sure why people think Vin could use emotional allomancy on an invested person? I see an argument over Vin's ability in the air: - Kaladin is far superior in that regard - Vin can push off coins/metals - that need to secured to the ground, otherwise the coins etc just fly away from her. And for her to stay in the air, the metal definitely needs purchase to the ground.... but if Kaladin lashes her in any direction other than the ground, well, coins have no purchase in the air. Sylshield is important in this dicussion. I would have said, Kaladin lashes her to the air, approaches behind sylshield, then skewers her. I'm not sure how Vin would beat that... ...mind you, I stopped reading that series half way through the second book.
  4. Wouldn't this refer to Taln, or Shallash's view of Taln and Jezrien? It doesn't say 'my strength becomes my weakness', nor 'my death is my life', nor even 'death is my life'. It says THE death, and THE strength. That means something specifically understood to be THE death, and THE strength. If it is from Shallash's perspective, then THE death is likely Jezrien's, and THE strength is likely Taln's.
  5. Yep, Shallan is growing, and learning how to handle danger. She is no longer 90% frightened / timid. And there is definitely a part of her capable of great focus. That aside, unfortunately, she is creating 'personas' to help overcome what she sees as her limitations. Pattern is actually worried about this behaviour. I don't think we're all that far apart on viewpoints. Mostly, I don't think 'Shallan' is an act. And defining her as 90% scared is creating some confusion, because I see her as evolving throughout the story arc in relation to this. Maybe 90% at the start, but I would have put in closer to 40-50% now (possibly less).
  6. I disagree that the killer is the 'real shallan', nor that she acts helpless and scared 90 percent of the time. All conflict situations trigger fight, flight, or freeze. For the sake of a picture (not calling anyone an animal here), there are two types of dogs that will bite you if you walk into their territory: aggressive dogs, and frightened dogs (as opposed to timid dogs). Many frightened dogs will avoid conflict unless cornered, That is, there are two distinct sides to their personality - being frightened (majority of time), but fighting when cornered...then being frightened again Shallan was willing to kill to save her life, but otherwise did not like violence. She became 'helpless' because part of that was already in her personality, and she hid the other side. Hiding wasn't an act, and nor were the consequences of it. Hiding is the reason she struggled so much with her truths that pattern required.It's how she dealt with her mothers death, with how and why her father went downhill, and even with how she killed him - she hides it away.Hiding is a way for 'real shallan' to deal with things she does not want to deal with. In relation to her violent defense of her life - she may be quite afraid of such, and she may hate people who trigger it (hence the yelling and screaming), because at heart she doesn't want to be violent. That does make the violent side 'the real Shallan', it makes violence a genuine part of who she is in life threatening situations...so a side of her that may only come out under life threatening stress. In terms of 'real Shallan' there are also her alter egos, where she feels she becomes them, and to her they seem to have their own thoughts, their own feelings, their own attraction to different men etc. Put another way, each of them thinks differently to 'Shallan', and would react differently than 'Shallan' to the same situation. And we have her being afraid she'll get lost in them...so distinct personalities. --------------- Primal Fear by the way, was a truly great movie. Edward Norton was such a convincing actor - I think it's the best piece of acting he's done (as a movie outcome). I can see the attraction to comparing Shallan to Roy.
  7. I'm not sure how you can ask 'who is the most dangerous' and then insist on only counting 'named person' deaths. As an aside - and although this is nit picky, the word 'dangerous' leaves room for interpretation. 'Who is the most dangerous?' mean anything from 'who is the best killer' to 'who can cause the most havoc' - danger is situational. Kaladin is the best open field fighter (of the three), Adolin is the best duelist, and Shallan (in a warzone) can cause the most havoc. Politically, though both of the other two have their distinct advantages, Shallan would be the most dangerous.
  8. I'm with Red Ferring. Brandon said it would be extremely difficult...and what Dalinar did, has not only never been done before / without precedent, but was enormous. That surely qualifies as extremely difficult. And while sentience was ripped from deadeyes, it was ripped from them because their sentience was tied to their spiritual aspect. Tearing out is essentially severing - so the loss of sentience is a result of a severing from the spiritual realm. Dalinar reunited the cognitive, physical, and spiritual realms in Maya's location. And as we see with the stormlight renewal, only proximity was needed, in order to be affected by that reuniting. In other words, there is no reason to think that Maya hasn't been affected by what Dalinar did. There may still be a question on how much she was affected - ie. if it was enough to restore her? In terms of the Nahel Bond: - Adolin has throughout the series showed he felt a bond with Maya (talking to her before duels, being respectful etc). And I recall Maya as a deadeye, showing a bond (small but there) with Adolin, and that bond increased towards the end, with signs of some sentience when she defended Adolin. It may be a weak bond, but that does not rule out its value, as even the Nahel Bond is weak near the beginning, and near the beginning the spren can just be starting to gain sentience in the physical realm. The spren has to choose their KR. It does appear that Maya has chosen Adolin (when she defended him) In other words, the conditions may have been met for Maya's ressurection. Then again, maybe not. It's really guesswork at the moment.
  9. From memory, Lift speaking to Gawx about Dalinar 'You can't trust him. He's got a tight butt' The explanation was just as entertaining.
  10. Isn't terminal velocity of a falling person mostly related to wind resistance, rather than gravity? This is of course, assuming that Roshar's gravity, even if somewhat different to Earths, is still at a point where it is air resistance, and not gravity that determines terminal velocity. That's from a search 'Terminal velocity person falling'
  11. Being a squire doesn't involve attracting a spren, so I don't see why Rlain needs a new form unless he becomes a Surgebinder, then KR. Having said that, has anyone thought of the differences between Rlain and other WR if he became a KR? He changes form by having the spren reside in his gemheart: - What would the new form look like (I'm betting something really cool, and blue) - How then does the spren become a shardblade? Is this why the fused have to carry spears, rather than shardblades? - Does it mean more efficient power, like how the Fused don't seem to run out of power when flying? - What new rhythms would Rlain discover? Would other Wind Runners (or their spren) be able to understand them? If so, it would mean seeing Rlain in a completely new light.
  12. While true - not having previously seen such strong cognitive effects in other orders does not hold much meaning because: - Shallans use of the cognitive realm is tied to transformation, not cohesion. They should not have the same effects or abilities, at all. - Kaladins touches the cognitive realm only indirectly. Not only should he not have the same abilities at all, but anything he does with the cognitive realm should be much, much weaker. - no other order has a discussion of 'cognitive cohesion'; and (in support of this last) - the Stormfather told Dalinar that his abilities with stone would be different to that of Stonewards, which sets a precedent that surges aren't quite the same for the two orders that share any given surge Most KR orders names reflect their abilities to some degree (elsecallers are a vague term). Willshapers, being a very straightforward name, must have either some ability to shape wills, or use their will to shape. But we've already seen that the transformation surge uses the KR's will to shape things, so why would another KR order be able to do the exact same thing with a different surge? It seems at least feasible that they actually influence/shape wills. The one thing that doesn't fit with the above is the Oathbringer quote on Willshapers That's cut & paste from the coppermind. The problem is, I can't see why an order called willshapers would be this way at all.
  13. So cognitive cohesion as in: - telepathic communication (think battlefield coordination, scouting, spying) - use the force luke "you won't remember this!" (mind suppression) - emotional suppression or enhancement (make others calmer or angrier, etc) - inception (if you've seen the movie, you'll know what I mean) That would make for a really interesting order...and ethically interesting oaths.
  14. Kaladin and Jasnah are worlds apart in relation to how best to deal with the world. This disagreement isn't just be about their personalities, but their spren also. - Can anyone really see Kaladin and Jasnah agreeing to have someone assassinated just because they are a threat to Jasnah's family? - Can anyone really see Kaladin and Jasnah agreeing to summary execution of thieves? - Can anyone really see Kaladin and Jasnah agreeing to collateral damage in order to win? How can you get past that and have a romantic relationship?
  15. I am a fire I am hot I am a fire I am hot I am a fire I am hot I am a fire I am hot Where are all the women... Why are they all stick thin ! Wait...
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