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Haha, so did I!

Also, a group of Inquisitors is a murder. -- See Mistborn: Secret History. A group of jellyfish is called a Smack. A male donkey is called a Jack, and a female donkey is called a Jenny. A male rabbit can be either a Jack or a Buck, a female rabbit can be either a Jill or a Doe.

Just looked at the Terris prophecies, and indeed it does! Does this refer to before Sazed ascended, or after? I don’t remember anytime he was literally called Discord before his ascension, so perhaps after? Very interesting...

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I tend to agree with this. I don't necessarily think that the Shard will die if the planet gets destroyed.

Cool idea! I’m behind on my Metallurgic Theory. How, exactly, would this allow Ruin to bring them into the cognitive realm?

I guess I’m not quite convinced that external pressure can change the Intent of a shard. But I suppose I could see that happening.

@Invocation, I’m certainly not against the idea that he is having discordant tendencies. My mind might be changed, especially after finishing my reread of Era 2 (currently in Alloy of Law). From what I remember, however, I got the impression that his distractions aren’t from being discordant, but from external pressures. Not sure what those external pressures might be, but they are causing him a lot of undue stress. Once I get through my reread, perhaps I’ll have a better idea what those pressures might be. Or perhaps my mind will change, and I’ll agree that he is going more discordant.

Nice WoB, @RShara!

Thanks @Quantus for the WoB! Yeah, I’m not exactly sure how to take that quote. There is obviously Ruin’s influence involved, in more than just a “Ruin’s influence is in everything” sort of way. Got it. I agree that it would seem that Preservation’s influence should be slightly weaker than Ruin’s influence. Perhaps the bit of Atium that Marsh has is enough to counteract that difference? (Going out on a limb...) I think a Jekyll & Hyde deity would be a really cool idea, or even Harmony tending toward Discord, but I’m not getting that vibe from Harmony right now.

Really? I was under the impression that Ruin and Preservation were equally powered before trapping Ruin. Unless you're referring to Preservation giving up some of its power to give Scadrians their humanity/ability to choose? Do you have the WoB for this? I vaguely recall seeing something like this, but I'm not sure if Brandon's WoB was explicitly stating that Nightblood was made out or encased in Atium. Or am I misunderstanding this statement?

I know this has already been answered a lot, but I'd like to give my two cents. During my first read-through of the books, I waited until after BoM to read SH, and I was very glad I waited. There are some BoM moments that would have been utterly spoiled if I had read SH first. I am, however, doing a reread of the Mistborn books right now (SO AMAZING!!), and I finished Era 1 just a couple of days ago. I decided to pick up SH, so things would be fresh in my mind, and I was not disappointed. So, either way works, but I recommend BoM first, then SH. The exact same thing happened to me! Absolutely no recollection whatsoever of this event. It was nice to be surprised, even though the actual event was rather unpleasant for the characters...

I don't know if we have a definite answer for why Kelsier could understand their language, but Kelsier himself has some musing in Secret History during the event. When Kelsier arrives at the Ire fortress, he discovers the conduit attached to the building, energizing the building itself. After experimenting on the fortress wall with his hand, he is immediately given an impression of an unfamiliar, far away, land (with striking green plants). This experience is something similar he has had with his staff, cloak, fire, etc, that he has picked up on his journey. He realizes that these stones aren't actual "stones, but the spirits of stones--like his spirit of a fire. They had been brought here and constructed into a building." He notices that his various items he picked up back in Scadrial have started to fade, or deteriorate, the farther away from Scadrial he went. These stones, though far away, don't show any signs of deteriorating. The more he walks around the fortress, the more comfortable, at home, and normal he feels. He encounters guards soon afterwards, and makes another connection after listening to them speaking to each other. TL;DR: I think it absolutely has to do with Connection. The Ire have somehow permeated Connection throughout their fortress to keep it and its occupants there and alive. This Connection also permeates Kelsier's "soul" and allows him to feel "at home" with the Ire, their planet, their people, their culture.

Did anyone else feel that this line should have read "she snuck from her home"? https://www.merriam-webster.com/video/sneaked-vs-snuck

Nothing. I wouldn't doubt it. I see no other explanation, in fact. But my interpretation of what I quoted was saying that only those in direct line to the throne, meaning the children of the current monarch, would be able to express the Royal Locks. I just wanted to bring up Denth to show how the direct line to the throne is likely not the reason why a person can express the Royal Locks.

Something else to consider about lineage and perception. We know that Denth was part of the royal lineage, because his hair flashed between a variety of colors eventually to white, just before he died. Denth was very likely part of the royal lineage, but certainly not direct in the way described here. I believe that any within the lineage will have the Royal Locks (and will be able to express the color change based on perception), not necessarily in direct line to the throne. So, although Vivenna might believe this to be the case, it isn't necessarily true.

Actually, something interesting about Honorblades, as per Syl's words: I'm not certain, but I have a feeling that wielding an Honorblade while not a Herald and without Stormlight might, at least in some way, "feed" upon the wielder's soul. Probably not as intense as Nightblood, but at least minimally. See: And a WoB: Also:

So Shallan only knows the recent Dalinar. Obviously Adolin doesn't quite agree with Shallan's assessment of his father. Dalinar may be capable but the young Dalinar was not moral. What does Adolin remember about his father's past and his mother? I figured that he was frowning because Shallan considers Adolin to be "moral, just, and capable." He doesn't consider himself to be those qualities, or at least not moral, due to the fact that he just murdered Sadeas.

I was just about to mention this! When it was mentioned that those wells never run out, I immediately thought of Cultivation's Shardpool in the Horneater Mountains. I bet Honor's Shardpool is underneath Urithiru. I wonder where Odium's Shardpool is... Origin? Somewhere else? I'm looking at the map right now, but nothing is really standing out... Edit: Just noticed @Herald's WoB quote about Honor's perpendicularity moving... Dang. Well, pretty sure that ruins that theory.

Wait, wait, I got it! What if Dalinar and Navani get married, and he is holding his dying "son" Elhokar in his arms?! Seriously though, I think I like the idea of Adolin dying to Sadeas' blade. In fact, I swear that somewhere in tWoK, it says that Sadeas is actually very good with a sword... And thanks goes to eveorjoy for finding it for me!

I really have to agree with a lot of what eveorjoy said. I do not think Amaram is going to die in this book. Or perhaps a few more books. In fact, I'm not sure if he is going to die at all. I know that there are so many Amaram haters right now, but honestly, how many hated characters die off as soon as everyone wants him or her dead? I definitely think that Amaram has a very important role (be it good or bad) in the books to come. I do not want Dalinar to die; he is one character with whom I have created an emotional attachment. However, just because I don't want him dead, that doesn't mean it will not happen in this book. He is a tough one to call. I can easily see him dying off in this book, just as easily as I can see him living throughout most or all the series. I can see his death as a means to get very important plot lines started (especially with the respect and love he commands from Adolin and Renarin, and the fact that he is the only lighteyes Kaladin trusts). Elhokar is another strange case. He is extremely weak in my opinion, and isn't really playing an important role as I see him currently. I was wondering why Taravangian didn't want to kill off Elhokar, but I almost immediately realized that Elhokar is really no threat to his machinations. So, even though he is in an extremely powerful position, he is actually a positive influence to Taravangian's schemes (If Elhokar dies, who takes the throne? I'm thinking it would be Dalinar, and that doesn't help out Taravangian or any of the high princes. Dalinar needs to die before killing off Elhokar becomes useful at all.). I don't really see him dying off in this book. So who is going to die? Bridge Four members. More specifically, I think at least Teft and Rock. In fact, mostly just Teft, but Rock is a possibility too. Teft will be useful for Kaladin by giving him information, and then will be killed shortly thereafter. Rock will probably die while trying to defend Kaladin. I'm thinking Sigzil will become a very important person later on, so I don't believe he will die, at least not for a while. Sadeas is another possibility in my mind, for the very reason that eveorjoy mentioned. I think he played his part in tWoK. He will probably have one or two more things up his sleeve, and then will die. Well, we've already heard about one of those things up his sleeve (spies and assassins, right?), so we'll see whatever that is come to fruition first, then he will die. One of my favorite characters is Szeth. I'm not entirely sure why, but I really like him. However, I think it is a likely scenario that he will die too. Either him or Kaladin, but I can't see Kaladin dying for a long while. So unfortunately, that leave Szeth (I know that it isn't required that either of them die, I just have the feeling that one of them will). I can't wait for the showdown between him and Kaladin though! It's going to be awesome! These are my ideas currently. I will continue to post as more ideas come to mind.

Sounds interesting! I really like the idea to manipulate the water cycle specifically. Have you thought about various implications that this magic system will have on the world/universe? The culture(s) in the world/universe this magic system is based? What type of world will a book with this magic be like? I know you said this magic system is in the early stages, but I am still curious. I'm also curious if perhaps you would want to incorporate manipulating the various phases of matter for water as well. It seems like a few of those who have this magic can already do this (the Depositor and Sublimator). Perhaps have some who can turn ice into liquid water, and liquid water back into ice? And then the same for liquid water and water vapor. Or is that already being done as the Condenser and Evaporator? If this isn't the case, then is this something that would work well with your system? If not, then don't use it, obviously, but I'm just throwing something out there for you. Also, it would certainly be a lot easier to read the first paragraph you wrote if you broke it down into a few more paragraphs.

I too have struggled with whether he truly has the freedom to choose or not. I really like Szeth. I can totally understand why you (OP) would be upset if we discovered that the oathstone was purely symbolic and he is making his choices solely for honor's sake. I, however, do believe that there is something more to it than that. Unfortunately, I don't have much fact to back up my belief because I read the book months ago and don't remember enough to quote anything. It seems to me that honor has a lot to do with the magic system on Roshar. While being bound to honor may be cultural for Szeth, I think that there is some sort of connection with honor and his oathstone (Or perhaps something else?). I do still think he has the freedom to choose what he can and can't do. I'm going to have to reread the book (at least just the Szeth chapters) before I can really back up this comment though. Perhaps I'll discover that I'm wrong after I reread them. That is just my gut feeling, though. I also want to mention that I don't think he'll die if he breaks one of those rules (unless of course he kills himself...). I think that there is some other consequence. What is that consequence? No idea. Again, I hope to find something after I read those chapters again.