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  1. There once was a beautiful women. Exquisite in every way. ...Well, except for when she was eating. Then it was all slurps and smacks and grunts. Every morning, she would go out onto the surrounding countryside to have breakfast alone. This way she had the entire meal to herself and no one would be around to see her eat. And what a meal it was! She would have a huge spread set out before her, with every delicacy that she could muster. There, beneath her favorite tree, she would gobble and crunch to her heart's content. Or so she thought. For you see, she had picked Anansi's tree to lay her feast and it wasn't long before her constant bleching and chewing awoke the spider. Anansi grumbled when he was first awakened. It was not many who would disturb his rest if they knew what was good for them. He initially left his home to give the rude visitor a piece of his mind. But upon seeing the beauty before him he stopped. No, not the woman, but the glorious amounts of delicious food that had suddenly appeared at his home. Obviously, this was a meal befitting a king and though it was being horded by some oblivious tart, it must have been meant for him. All he needed to do was figure out how to get her to leave him the feast without her spoiling it. So Anansi went to his brothers and sisters, telling them of the feast that awaited them and promised an equal share if they helped him. And so, over the next few weeks, they began developing in the woman a soul crushing fear of spiders. Whenever and wherever the woman went, she would find his brothers and sisters waiting. In the bath. In her shoes. In her hair when she went through her thousand strokes. The only place that she was safe from her torment was at Anansi's tree and her breakfast, for he had told his siblings that he had a broken leg and would not be able to join them in their plan. Though many died, Anansi urged them on, reminding them that their deaths just meant bigger portions for the rest of them. They continued on, until the woman was so deathly afraid that she would run screaming at the mere mention of a spider. And yet they still continued, on Anansi's request, until only Anansi remained of his kin. And so the day came. The woman, shivering and shaking, always looking over her shoulder, set up her breakfast once again at Anansi's tree. But this time, Anansi came down from his tree, his "broken" leg suddenly healed. He strolled up behind the woman, cleared his throat, and gave her his fanciest bow. "My dear, beautiful lady. Might I, perchance, join you as you partake of this scrumptious looking meal?" The woman, leapt to her feet, screeching like a banshee and fled without a second look. And as I'm sure you can assume, Anansi ate like a King that night; never needing to share the meal with anyone. *** This tale is as ancient as time itself. It was old well before the "civilized" people of the Dark Ages appropriated it (as they do all things) into a nursery rhyme and made the tramp the main character as Little Miss Muffet. Do you know what the lesson of this story is? To not be glutton? To ask before trespassing on another's property? No. The lesson is far more simple. Do NOT mess with The Spider. Should I be joining this game? Absolutely not. I really don't have the time to devote. I'm working 10 hour days and then I'll have classes starting soon at the end of August as well as working a full time job. Not to mention that I have a game that Drake and I have been working on for a while now that I've seriously been neglecting, much to my dismay. Can I really pass up this game after I started reading about the Gunnerkrigg Court ever since Aonar first pitched the idea? My answer remains the same. Besides, I've had this idea for a character for this game for weeks now and he won't let go until I actually get a chance to play him out. I typically go for a name that at least somewhat reflects my username to keep things simple, but I've got to break from that for this one. Anansi joins the ranks!
  2. This is getting into a conversation that would fit better in AoGC. At this point, it's less about the meta and more about how such a mechanic would work. And I'd hate to lose the discussion we were having, unless everyone feels like they've said their peace.
  3. If you read the Etiquette section of the General Rules, you'll see that we basically already have a "Don't be a jerk" clause. We already have a section on putting yourself in other people's shoes and on treating other players as individuals (which covers, in part, the fact that some people don't play as competitively as others). In fact, most of that section is a very good guide for how to approach these games and the other players in them. It basically covers your A through C questions, if you really consider what they mean in different aspects of the games, IMO. As far as D goes, I'm not sure I'd want to make those kind of categories in the first place. It makes it sound like we'd be dividing people into groups, where one style of play is more preferable than another and that just isn't the case. That's part of why there was a push (probably about a year ago now?) to stop referring to people that have played a lot as "Experienced" or "Veteran" players, because it gave the illusion that those players were a- bigger threats, b- should be paid attention to more, and c- should have more authority when it comes to their opinions. We have a very close tight-knit community here partially because we've shied away from dividing everyone up into classifications anymore. Especially when, IMO, I don't feel like it's necessary. I like the strategy side of the game. I enjoy, as Elenion said, the battle of wits and manipulation. And as a strategist, that means also finding ways to play around "imperfect" play. A good general will try to turn their weaknesses into strengths. If they have an army of 50% archers, they won't bemoan that they don't have more cavalry. They change their tactics to a more guerrilla style warfare and perform more hit and runs. In LG 34, when Sart was basically inactive other than being able to put in actions, we used that to our advantage and let him put in most of the kills rather than try to force him into a role he was unable or unwilling to play. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, on either side of the factions. I'm actually a pretty lousy Elim, IMO. I have some great and fun ideas, but I can never enact them when I'm an Elim. On the other hand, I almost have a 6th sense at times when it comes to ferreting out Elims when I'm village. Wilson practically mirrors me, as she has had her fair share of moments where she totally fell for Elim lies as a Village, but has proven to be quite difficult to pin down as an Elim. My point in all this is that we're all playing to each other's strengths and weakness in each game already. You let those that are more likely to be helpful later in the game slide a bit initially because they shine latter. You don't always try to kill off the players that instigate discussion because you need that initial spark to get things moving. There's no clear, defined line that delineates one type of play as sub-optimal in comparison to another and I think that if we were to try to actually define it, we would find a lot of biased towards how we, individually, play the game. Not to mention the unnecessary dividing of our community into groups and the turmoil something like that could cause. Because another part of the game that I truly love is the setting. If you've played on other forums or watched Aman's games over on MafiaUniverse, you'll notice that most of them don't ever even acknowledge that there is a setting to their games, let alone play with it. Part of what makes SE special is the fact that we all love a good story because we're readers. So taking part in Sanderson's worlds in a way that we never could before, or watching a dramatic moment unfold, or helping create one is thrilling and worthwhile in its own right. Without our stories to tell, I don't think SE would've continued on throughout the years as strongly as it has. And because I love that aspect of the games, I would say that the RPers and the fun-lovers are just as important to the success of a game as much as the strategists. They help keep us involved and coming back. They can provide much needed comedic relief (Matilda or HH's character and his rat from the last AG anyone?) in an otherwise serious game. Sure, they might play "sub-optimally" in the terms of a strategist, but they still play optimally to the game as a whole and to themselves, which all the more I would ask of anyone. Finally, I agree with Wilson. The reason we don't want to create a lot of rules and how people can play is because that severely limits the way everyone can play. It limits strategies that can be used and can make all the games basically feel the same. We want people to come up with creative ways to find Elims or manipulate the Village. We love when a particularly daring plan comes together. We allow everyone the freedom to play as they want specifically so that everyone can find their own inspiration and, in a way, cut out their own part of what makes these games so amazing. So the more ideas that allow our players to do that without us needing to limit everyone's play via rules is going to be the best option, IMO Well, that turned into an essay fairly quick! I do hope that this conversation continues. I think it's a great question and I'm glad that you brought it up here, Yitzi. I'm not trying to criticize your suggestions up there as much as using them as a backboard to state some of my own thoughts on the matter as well. This is the perfect place for such discussions and I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's thoughts.
  4. Killing is a lot of what we do here. Everyone dies in the end. We don't take it personally. That said, I look forward to feeling your digital blood flow through my fingers! ...Unless you get to me first. In that case, well played.
  5. This is, as the name suggests, the best place to ask questions. So feel free to ask away. First off, I hope you enjoy the games as much as I do. We've been at it for years now and they've only gotten better over time, IMO. We do have a schedule for which games will be played and when. You'll find a link to the spreadsheet in the General Rules and Etiquette thread; which is definitely a must read. It not only gives you an idea of what we do here, but also does a good job of preparing you for what to expect. The schedule for when games start is pretty simple. We start a Quick Fix or a Mid-Range game once the previous one of that type is over. So, for example, Quick Fix Game 24 is going on right now. Once it finishes, we'll start a Mid-Range game and so on. With the Long Games, we try to overlap them a bit. After roughly 5-6 Cycles in a Long Game, the next one will typically start. So Long Game 35 is right now on its third cycle. Thus the next Long Game will begin in about a week or so from now. No threads should be created here other than those that are created by the GMs for their games. That's what these other threads are for; so that any other questions or thoughts can be shared. There's typically a lot going on behind the scenes to keep everyone entertained between games too. If you're interested, I'd PM @Haelbarde and ask him for the link to the Spectator Doc for Long Game 35. That would give you a chance to interact with some of us before the next game starts and also give you some additional insight into how everything works. So welcome to Sanderson Elimination! I look forward to killing you in the future. ...And ninja'd twice.
  6. I recognize and verify this. Congrats Flash as the 2nd Non-Sanderson game to be approved!
  7. First off, Congrats! You did an amazing job of representing us so it's no surprise that you placed in the top three. Do let us know when/if you GM a game for them. I would like to, if not participate, watch how players from other forums react to our style. I think that a lot more of them will enjoy the additional storytelling elements that we tend to do more than they'd think they would and I'd love to see how they react. Sidenote: You should add CRs if/when you do, just to throw them for a loop.
  8. Aw man! You mean I was one Spike away from being able to go rogue? That would've been freaking amazing! And I totally would've played that up like Drake was thinking too. Such a missed opportunity!
  9. Oh we knew you didn't have any Pewter left; we just didn't care. We specifically didn't go after you. You just weren't that much of a threat. And I mentioned something about this in the Elim Doc, but you need to go back and reread the Etiquette Rules, Flash. You're being more than a little disrespectful and you've been doing it all game. If things continue as they have, you will get in trouble for it one of these days. So consider this a friendly reminder and please go back and reread the Etiquette Rules.
  10. You'll see about it in the Elim Doc once Seonid posts them, but there were about 2-3 different points where we almost had the game. The trick with Jon was just one of them. It was just bad luck that we went after the thief (Araris), since we were hoping to be able to work with the thief at that point. Honestly, the thing that saved you guys more so than anything else was the inactives coming back. If Drought, Manukos, and HH hadn't all come back, I'm pretty sure we still could've gotten a lynch on Araris at that point and that would've won us the game. Still, even though we lost, that was a really close game. And those kind of games are the best, IMO. So GG everyone!
  11. Well, seems like your minds are made up. And all off it whether or not Sart was likely to come back or not for the last vote. And all that idea from someone that has been guiding things for the last few cycles. And yet you continue to believe him.... I blocked Len last night, as I said I would. The fact that Manukos and I were both injured confirms that. So what I think happened is that Len declined to not put in a kill because he knew he'd be blocked. So Manukos and I waste our Hazekills on each other (he even suggested that Manukos use his Hazekill on me) and then he has free reign. When I die, if the game isn't over, lynch Len next. He's been guiding the last few lynches to the point that I just can't trust him. Good luck!
  12. I actually have been working for awhile on a Reckoner's game that makes Weaknesses a highlight, kind of what you're talking about @Drake Marshall. If you like, we could Co-GM it (since I have a basic foundation laid down, but there's still plenty of stuff that needs to be done). I was working on it with Gamma, but as you can tell, Gamma hasn't been around in awhile. If you're interested, I could send you a link to the Doc where I was working on it and we could build it together rather than us both running a similar game in the future.
  13. Oh, I will definitely be blocking Len tonight; no matter the outcome of this lynch. I've suspected that Len and Sart are probably our last elims and I could see Len throwing his inactive teammate under the bus so that he can survive. I think this is unlikely, but if he is, then we've basically lost. :/
  14. Arg! You would pull this now Len, when I just don't have time to adequately defend myself! Well played. I, perhaps too obviously, wound up blocking HH. I don't have time to go into detail, but we need to be careful here guys. The game is much closer than Len is letting on. If we mislynch here, and the Ventures kill one of us tonight, then it's 3-2 (there's got to be two left considering Manukos' and my Hazekills) and one of those 3 would be either HH or Sart. So unless they come back again, they'd be able to at least tie the lynch and then we're dead. Which is why I think Len is our Elim. A lot of what he's done this game has been subtle, but it tends to be just misleading enough. Like how he tried to subtley throw some suspicion on me with the theory that I put in a Hazekill for Jondesu to block. Or, the fact that the game is closer now than he's letting on. Or how Yitzi had to call him out about leaving himself off of the "experienced" list when he was throwing accusations at those of us still alive. And then there was our plan with Manukos and my Hazekills. It was a nice touch, but Len was the one to guide us to hitting both Sart and HH, the two people that we went after. And the final straw for me is the fact that he keeps talking about the Venture distribution as if they couldn't have a Rioter. You know what would make a pretty good counter to an Elim Rioter? If HH is a Smoker, then by having one dedicated Smoker and then one like myself, where I can gain Smoking as the game gets closer and smoking is more necessary, I think that actually balances it out fairly well. So I'm sorry I can't do more, but I'm telling you guys, we need to get this one right and Len is my best guess as to who is a Venture. I'll try to be on again after work, which will be a little before rollover, so I can try to answer any final questions then.
  15. I'm good with that Manukos and while I already have a target in mind, I won't say who it is. If we don't find them tonight, to be fair, I'll give my target early on and then your target will be the hidden one, okay?
  16. It's all good, Len. It's just that I was feeling a bit vindicated after Jondesu's lynch because he's been trying to throw suspicion on me basically all game. I wasn't looking forward to going back (though it seems like I don't have a choice in the matter considering other people's suspicion lists...) just because I'm experienced and the whole "why isn't he dead yet?" thing. I was actually just coming back on to suggest something similar. You and I are the last two people with abilities at this point (do we know HH's or Sart's?), so now is the time to use them. And we don't want to hit the same target and both get injured (Do both Hazekillers get injured if they both hit the same person? I just realized that I was just assuming that at this point.).
  17. I am a Hazekiller. I also have a Copper Spike which I implanted N0. I did have one copper that I picked up on N4, but I'm pretty sure Araris stole that as well, even if the GMs forgot to put it in the PM (can you at least verify if the thief takes all items from a person or just one, Seonid?). That seems way convoluted. As in, reaching for a reason to be suspicious of me convoluted. If I was a Venture (I am not) and I was online enough to put an order in (which I was not), then why wouldn't I just put in a kill order in the first place? There's no need for this kind of twist and since I'm convinced that we must have someone playing deeply undercover at the moment, the fact that you're stretching so hard makes me wonder if it's you. That said, I agree with Yitzi; I don't like how, just as the Ventures were trying some crazy plan, all of a sudden Drought, Manukos, and HH all came back. I'm willing to give HH a bit of a break considering that he helped us implicate Jondesu, but by the time he did, Jondesu already had quite a few votes on him, so it could be a bus. Since no one else seems willing to vote (we've already had about half a day turn so far and only the one vote), I'll join him on Droughtbringer because I believe at least one of them is an Elim. Edit: Ninja'd by Araris
  18. That's how I know that Jondesu is lying and Araris is telling the truth. I had the Spike from Cluny, but since I've been so busy recently, I never had the chance to do anything with it. As such, I just had it on my person and it was stolen by Araris last night. Which, if you think about it, is pretty lucky because if I had implanted it, I wouldn't have been able to collaborate with Araris's claim and then we could've had a string of mislynches on our hands!
  19. Wow, to give credit where credit is due, this level of convoluted-ness sounds like something I'd come up with if I were an Elim, Jondesu. Unfortunately, I can confirm that I was stolen from last night and without PMs, I don't see how Araris could know that and be an Elim working with a thief rather than just being the thief themselves. This does seem like it'll be helpful in finding the rest of the Ventures as well. If they were willing to go to this length, I'm now a lot more suspicious of those that tried to get the bandwagon rolling on Araris early.
  20. I'm not claiming that you're stating that Flash isn't a Mistborn. I'm saying that you're trying to cast doubt about, as you pointed out, that he's a Village Mistborn. As I said, I really don't see the Ventures going to such great lengths to try to get Flash confirmed as to waste a kill on him as well as a Pewter Vial (as I believe Jondesu pointed out) at this point in the game when most of us were already fairly convinced in the first place. Let's just assume that my theory is correct for the moment. If that's the case, then we have at least 3 more Ventures that we need to find and only one of them is active. If we continue trying to hunt for the active one, we dwindle our numbers of active villagers that can control the vote while they get closer to having a majority, which still counts their inactive members. During that time, we are going after only a single Elim that has a by far better percentage chance of staying hidden. By taking out their inactive members, that means that they need to kill more of us to be able to get a majority, which means that they have to dwindle down our numbers even further to win; all while remaining hidden. Don't get me wrong, the active Venture still should be our top priority, but by taking out their inactives, we take away the chance for them to more easily win the game. It's, as I said, to give us some more breathing room while not killing each other off and doing their work for them twice as fast as they would alone. If we have anymore Coinshots with vials, I'd actually ask them to do it for us, but I don't think that we really do. We've seen two Coinshot hits and I don't think Steel has been up to buy at all. This is all if I'm right, of course, and if we have a better target, I'm all for it. But we didn't decide on a lynch target today until very late in the day and if it comes down to that again, hitting an inactive and seeing if I'm right isn't a bad option if it takes out one of them.
  21. I feel like a broken record, but I have to apologize for my absence yet again. This new work schedule is just killing me as far as finding time to play, but I don't want to let you all down by going inactive. First off, I'm glad that we can finally put the whole Flash thing to rest. As Cloudjumper pointed out (and Cluny tried to keep suspicion about...), I don't see the Ventures going this far to try to clear Flash. This is the same type of paranoid theory that got Orlok lynched after all and I'll go more into that later. Losing Ecth and what is likely our only other Metallurgist is definitely a blow and everyone need to be extra sure when using their remaining vials. I doubt we'll get more. @Jondesu: I've said before that I thought Flash was likely a Guardsman. I said I thought it made perfect sense for him to be a Villager; just that some of his actions were giving me some very Eliminy vibes (Sorry I haven't been around to give hints and tips, like you asked, Flash. We'll do that at some point in time, promise!) and I wanted him to address those. Heck, even him calling out so audaciously this turn makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up a bit. It's just too loud unless he was trying to make sure everyone noticed that, "see? I can't be a Venture! I'm berating them for trying to kill me!" Which, of course, makes me think collusion most of the time. With all that out of the way, here's where I think we are now. I think we're arguing ourselves into circles. I have a fairly Villager-y read on most of the people that are still active at this point, so here's my theory. Kind of like what Jondesu said, I think we likely have only one more "active" Venture amongst us. They're the one that has been putting in kill orders. I think the rest of their group has gone inactive and that's why we're not hitting any of them. This would make sense with how aggressive Brightness was playing, IMO. If you look back at some of her posts with hindsight, some of them were incredibly blatant (like the one where she called for protection on Flash). This would make sense if there was only really herself and one other person in the Elim Doc. Which brings me to my vote, Cluny. I think Cluny might be the last "active" Venture we have to find. He's been hanging out on the periphery, a favored spot for Elims to hide. He's tried to at least throw some doubt onto whether or not Flash might not be a Village Mistborn. And then there's the fact that I think he's lying about having a Bronze Spike. I think he's a full-fledged Bronze Misting and that's something that I could easily see the Venture having. If Cluny turns out to be innocent (a very real possibility. I don't feel as strongly about this one as I have on other lynches), I suggest we take out some of our inactives. It'll keep the rest of us alive long enough to try to figure out who is the Venture in the lot and give us some breathing room, should we kill the inactive Ventures. That's my thinking anyways.
  22. I'm far too inebriated to be posting, but I still want to say I told you so. And now we've lost our Captain because of it (our only one I beleive, since we haven't seen another one). we need to be on top of our game going forward.
  23. I don't have a lot of time, so I'm going to just quickly go over this and I'll be back on before rollover to go into more detail. Why never mind? I actually hadn't thought of it like that and I can see where you're coming from. I'll try to address this later on, but this made sense to me as far as why, so why'd you abandon it? See? It's stuff like this, Flash. No real explanation; just I feel like a Villager to you. You know who would know that I'm a Villager? An Elim. That's why adding some explanation to your statements helps. It gives a reason for your actions. Like the fact that you go after anyone that thinks that you're an Elim. Why are you so sure that anyone that questions you must be evil? It's a narrow focused way to play and gives us no insight into what you're thinking; which is something an Elim does because they don't really care who gets lynched as long as someone does. So the more you can tell us about your thought process, the better. I've said from Day 1 that I don't think Orlok is an Elim and I'll stick to that. As such, I don't like this lynch on Orlok and since Cluny hasn't clarified at all, as I said earlier, that's where my vote is going, even though that ties it up again. I'll keep an eye on it and if no one else votes, I'll remove mine so that we get some information, but I don't think killing Orlok is in our best interests.
  24. I don't have long. I'll have more time tomorrow since it's finally the weekend, but I don't want to leave you guys waiting on me. @Ecthelion III: Most of the reason I've been somewhat harsh with Flash is because, logically, it makes sense for him to be a Villager in my mind. But, his actions are consistently setting off my Elim radar. That's why I keep going into detail about the things he's doing. If he's actually a Villager, I'd like him to address those concerns rather than just ignore them, as he has been doing. Notice that out of all of the times I've said anything about him, I've never once voted for him. The only reason he hasn't gotten my vote is because I think that he's likely just a new player that doesn't understand that he's sending out some seriously Eliminy vibes. That said, the longer he goes without even making an attempt, the more I'm going to think that the reason is because he finds it difficult to respond to my concerns without giving himself away more so than him being innocent. With regards to Lopen's concerns (which seems to be your only real concerns as well. Jondesu was right about that, without telling me more than you wanted to hear from me, I probably would've waited on this until I finally got some sleep ), his logic is inheritedly flawed from the beginning. To be able to take advantage of a situation, I would have to have no prior knowledge of said situation. But, Lopen also said that the N0 no-kill was likely intentional. As such, if I were an Elim, I would've known that there wasn't going to be a kill and thus planned for the given circumstances and thus there wouldn't be a situation to "take advantage" of. As such, Lopen was trying to convict me of already knowing a certain outcome, but also not knowing about it at the same time. And that's why I'll remind you that just because someone is cleared as a villager doesn't necessarily make them correct. As far as my suspicions right now, while his reasoning was poor due to him supposedly not knowing about Striker claiming in thread, I do agree with Len. As I told Orlok in our PM before it was shut down (Brightness fulfilled that request, btw as it was only shut down after her death. I don't know why she did it any more than you, considering it wasn't like she was trying to win either Orlok or myself over, unless she had just not gotten around to it yet), I also suspect that the Ventures have a Seeker. It would make sense for them, considering that it only reveals metals and not alignment. I'd think that they'd have a full-fledged Seeker though, not just a Spike though. But, Cluny could've claimed to have a Spike when he actually is a Misting, so until I hear more about it, that's likely where my vote will go.
  25. *No RP this time. My brain is barely alive right now as is* I just now finally got home, so let me say that I'm actually quite surprised by this result. I suppose this is a good example of Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by accidents." Flash, you're doing yourself no favors in my eyes about you being innocent. Calling out like that just makes me think that you're all too aware of where the Ventures are going to strike, but you want to be able to point out later how "wrong you were" when it doesn't happen. In fact, if you're not hit, it would almost look worse for you, other than the fact that we're talking about it here and the Ventures could change their plans to try to make you look worse. You either have a inflated sense of self-worth due to your role, or you're far too knowledgeable about the going-ons of the Ventures. It's probably too late in the Night now, but if we have any other Couriers, I'd like a PM with either Brightness Radiant, Jondesu, or Flash please.
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