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Good point

If others haven't already guessed, allow me to call it here, or to rather say, I can imagine it now: The Fused harry and harass the Fourth Bridge as it travels first to Herdaz and then on to Urithiru. But there are too many Radiants and they give up. But somehow they find the paired fabrials in the Shattered plains and attack there, and mess everything up. The Fourth Bridge starts to fall . . . And then Bridge Four dives down, saves it, and carries it home on their shoulders!

Good point! I had forgotten that, but yes, Nale does drain her.

Good point about larkins being used and Lift being less (or un) affected. Her limitation (getting investiture only from food), could someday become a real saving grace. If so, I have a feeling this will play out in the back 5 books.

Gotcha - OK - I forgot how important stormlight is to the very functioning of the planet. But maybe Odium would still want to do that / wouldn't care because it would free him?

If this has been suggested elsewhere, I'd love for someone to direct me to the post. In reading this short scene about Lift in RoW, I came across this quote from her - the wish she gave Cultivation: “I said when everything else is going wrong, I want to be the same. I want to stay me, not become someone else.” I've been wondering if one of Odium's goals is to somehow end or stop Highstorms, so that it becomes much harder (or impossible outside of Dalinar's abilities) to get investiture on Roshar. If that happens, "everything will be going wrong" and yet Lift won't change; she will still be able to use investiture. What do you all think? Any other clues that support or discredit this idea?

@FirstSelector Why not Rock? He's all about nurturing, helping people strengthen their Connection and Identity, which I imagine are the strongest ways to fight the Unmade.

This discussion has helped me see one more thing. Particularly what you said here Erinzard: Something that Kaladin doesn't seem to accept well is the fact that he cannot protect everyone, particularly his men. With evidence that his men are becoming Squires, he is going to need to see that while he needs to protect his men, he actually needs to teach them to protect others, and that together they will have to share the sacrifice of NOT protecting each other when it means they are doing the right thing, or protecting those who cannot protect themselves. It almost seems like the next logical step would be exactly like you said, "I will do what is right, no matter the personal cost," - even if that means allowing my men to sacrifice themselves, or choosing to protect someone I hate over someone I love, if the person I love can protect themselves (better) than the person I hate... I don't know how to summarize that thought short sentence, but if one could, it seems like it would be a good candidate for the next oath.

This is what I was thinking. You don't have to die to make the last oath/reach it, but you have to demonstrate a willingness. Also, as IAreNelson implied, Life Before Death means you do all you can to preserve life, but if by sacrificing yourself you preserve life for those you are protecting, I don't think there is a disagreement or a disobedience to your oath.

And yet, Honor himself failed at this, and with the Windrunner's spren being Honorspren, it seems contradictory. Though that concept does make sense.

True, it would be weird if your last oath then required you to die in that moment. But the thought that Honor wasn't killed because he failed, but rather sacrificed himself was compelling to me (and felt like an appropriate twist). And then for the windrunners to follow that also made sense. But how that could play out I do not know.

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say - I've always read that as Honor saying, "I was killed by Odium, because I failed." What if in reality Honor was killed by Odium because he willingly sacrificed himself, and that what he did somehow has protected Roshar?

Hi all, I'm a pretty infrequent poster here, though occasionally I stop by and read what people share. I was thinking about the oaths of the windrunners, and something came to me, and I wanted to speculate about it here because I felt it had some merit. I think the last oath of the windrunners could be something like, "I will die for those I protect, if I must." My train of thought was of course this is the ultimate sacrifice and way to protect someone. And then it hit me. Honor was dead. What better way to exemplify what Honor did by following his example, and dying? I've always thought that poor Honor was killed by Odium. What if, instead, he sacrificed himself in order to protect Roshar from destruction? It not only makes Honor seem way cooler, but it just really fit. For me at least. And now that I'm speculating, what if the highstorms somehow protect the world (like cleaning it from voidspren or making such spren unable to carry out the will of their master)? Highstorms are almost always described as leaving the world clean, and I feel like they are also tied to Honor.

Thanks

That definitely makes sense. Perhaps it's just Iyatil (and Mraize) who are anti-Seventeeth Sharders? I just wonder if the Ghostbloods know about worldhopping, at least one or two of their members must have (likely) come from Yolen. Obviously we don't know a lot about worldhopping right now, so it's hard to say. Anyone care to speculate on these: A vial of pale sand. - White Sand? A couple of thick hairpins. - For Hemalurgy? A lock of golden hair. - No idea The branch of a tree with writing on it. - Not sure, but the writing makes me think of AonDor. A silver knife. - Threnody, holding back the Shades? An odd flower preserved in some kind of solution. - Nalthis/Tears of Edgli? A chunk of pale pink crystal looked like it might be some kind of gemstone - Not sur