Leuthie

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  1. He's currently neither. His final status depends entirely on the perspective the stories where he is a major player are told. He doesn't know exactly how his plans will play out for specific individuals in the Cosmere, so he doesn't know whether specific individuals should trust/help him - so he warns them. His words and actions, so far and based on current perspectives, show good intentions. However, his actions could all be perfectly selfish and ultimately detrimental. I can imagine him being both in different future stories and neither/inconsequential in the ultimate plot.
  2. That would be Ishar the Herald currently trying to take over the world
  3. I'm convinced that Shinovar's different ecosystem is a direct result of the Sibling "sleeping" there. The Stormfather leaves that land alone in respect for his sister/brother, letting the stone cover with soil and plants. The culture considers walking on stone to be sacrilege. Stormfather is Honor's. Nightwatcher is Cultivation's. The Sibling is a child of both; of bonds and directed growth. What we know of the Shin culture reflects this. The Sibling is a powerful stone spren sleeping in Shinovar, worshipped by the Shin people.
  4. Revelry and gluttony are in direct opposition to leadership and protection. But I don't think it's the type of Knight Radiant you are. Dalinar developed a weak bond (Nahel bond would be a strong bond, obviously) with Nergaoul, so was able to coerce it into the gem. It's the bond with the Unmade that's required, not the Bond with your spren
  5. Elhokar's character arc was complete when he started to say the first oath. His death made that clear and final. He has no other place in the story and never did. He won't be remembered outside of those who saw his growth first hand. For most of us, that's all we get. That's a pretty good narrative work for a side character (even if that side character is a king)
  6. I can't find WOB, but Breath is a piece of the spark of life that Endowment makes transferable. Every living thing has the spark, and the piece that Endowment makes into Breath can be removed whether the life is of Endowment or not. It can't be transferred to another without Endowment's intervention, but it can be removed and destroyed.
  7. The Faceless Immortal tells Suit that he will serve them in "another Realm" before blowing things up. Death can be thought of as a release. If Autonomy sees death as a release from the bonds of life, then killing becomes part of its Intent. That makes a scary Shard from the perspective of someone that wants to live.
  8. FYI, I think BS is using "axi" as a plural for axis, not as some local word for something else. I'd quote your post, but I'm lazy
  9. Warbreaker was a prequel of sorts to SA, so Nalthis and Endowment might come into play. Ashyn is probably not even going to be involved beyond a tangential relationship. This is Roshar's, Honor's (Stormlight is His, afterall), Cultivation's, and Odium's story. The playing field will be altered after the first 5, and not all players will survive, but I don't see new players being introduced at this point.
  10. They killed Adonalsium. The power, absent a Vessel, began to coalesce and acheive sapience, as large collections of Investiture are wont to do. Think the molten metal Terminator. To avoid this reforming of their enemy, the plotters came up with the plan to reshatter the reforming Adonalsium and each take a piece. Two separate, but directly related, events.
  11. Hate is insidious. When it becomes the norm, one forgets it's there. One might mistake their hate for righteous indignation, or Passion. If one was bound to Divine Hatred itself, one probably wouldn't recognize any hatred at all, believing oneself to simply be fully be invested in a righteous cause. Passionate, if you will.
  12. As for multiple Shards causing paralysis in the Vessel: If Adonalsium was an analog to the Judeo-Christian God, the paralysis of "holding 16 Shards" would parallel how stand-offish that God is. I like the gravitational pull equilibrium analogy. It's not paralysis, it's a tempering of action based on the equilibrium of multiple Intents. We humans deal with that pull with every decision we make. Some mental illness can be described as a loss of the equilibrium among our Shards.
  13. I read the first 2 pages of this thread, so if I'm repeating, bear with me. Let's assume that Trell is Autonomy. Removing life on a planet seems to go against the Intent of one who want to free others. The kicker is the last line. It implies that Suit will be killed but won't be sent into the Beyond. If Autonomy creates cognitive shadows or something equivalent out of everything it kills, it could interpret this as freeing those things from the bonds of life. Once that interpretation is made, you are left with a Shard that is the biggest threat to life in the Cosmere.
  14. Nightblood killed a Thunderclast. The Thunderclast's friends assumed it would come back like usual. It didn't. Fused: "How the heck did that sword permanently kill Frankie? Aren't we impossible to permanently kill?" Odium: "I betcha that would work on a Herald! Here's this weird knife. Don't touch it. Give it to that new human that seems to like us and have him kill Jezrien with it." Fused: "Sure boss. Sucks about Frankie, though." Evidence:
  15. Theory: He doesn't show himself because he can't. (Mistborn spoiler) Maybe Odium needs a direct connection to speak to individuals. Amaram's army was being influenced by an Unmade. Dalinar was in the middle of an Investiture (most likely Honor, but who knows) applied dream state via Stormfather and Tanavast's cognitive shadow. The Fused are Odium Invested by definition. Venli is in Envoyform, presumably requiring Odium Investiture. Taravangian is the only one that I can't identify a vector right now. Who else has Odium spoken to?
  16. You don't believe a Shard could build an invested knife with a gem in its hilt with the snap of a Spiritual finger?
  17. The sentinels of the Oathgates require permission. One way is to present your bonded spren (via shoving its physical manifestation into a slot). Another is to simply be bonded with Tanavast's cognitive shadow.
  18. Nightblood exists because of this story. It was created for the original Way of Kings. BS wrote Warbreaker, in part, to provide some backstory for this particular McGuffin. It's an extremely important weapon for this story, and maybe for the Cosmere as a whole. I'll get the WOBs when I'm not posting from a phone. The first point makes you sound confused. Heralds have been available to be killed for 4000 years. The presence of Fused only matters for my point: that Odium needed to see a Fused permanently killed to create a way to permanently kill Heralds. As for the aluminum: I have no doubt that every heavily Invested being that's been around for 1000+ years can spot aluminum from beyond the horizon, knows its significance, and will covet it. A Fused stealing a chunk of aluminum is expected and doesn't mean that anyone knew what Nightblood can do.
  19. This isn't a court of law or a thesis. I'm stating an idea to be extrapolated on, really just hoping someone would take it in a direction that would make for fun discussion. It resulted in a set of posts that reiterate the same "Odium can kill Shards, why not Heralds" arguments. You've taken it upon yourselves to prove my wild speculation wrong. The only person, it seems, who you have to convince is me. And you haven't. If there's burden of proof in your endeavor, it's on you. I get it, you don't agree. Nightblood isn't an especially new thing. Odium killing a Herald was just plan B and he actually could have done so at any time in the past several thousand years of Oathpact and chose not to. After all, he messed up three or more Shards already, so why would he need help messing up whatever he wants to? (Nevermind him being stuck on Roshar for thousands of years while failing to actually fully destroy Honor or even send Its holder to the afterlife) You really don't have to reiterate those things with different phrasing again. In any case, I have no real proof. There is no proof of anything regarding what we're talking about. It's all edges of the story stuff. So I'm probably wrong. It's still fun to speculate. Nightblood is a completely unique entity. His killing of a Fused was a new thing, much how the killing of a Herald was a new thing ("What is this death?") If Odium knew how to permanently kill Heralds, he would have done so thousands of years ago...or at least done so once Honor was put out of commission. He didn't kill a Herald until after the sword that lives killed a Fused. There's narrative significance in those two actions. A sword that you can't touch directly or it will de-Invest you kills a cognitive shadow. A few scenes later, a new knife that can't be wielded by a Fused is used to kill another Cognitive Shadow. That's the extent of my "proof".
  20. The sheath is aluminum. The sheath was taken because it is aluminum. The WOB quote about Odium's knowledge was specific to the end of Oathbringer. Still not sure how any of this shows that Nightblood killing a Fused wasn't a new thing to Odium.
  21. There is no real test with Nightblood. If you hold him while he's not sheathed he steals you investiture (and your life should your investiture run out). If someone he trusts says something is evil, he sucks it dry in an instant. The evil test is...very pliable. That said, Nightblood would actually like Moash and try not to kill him. I see B.S. setting up that struggle pretty easily.
  22. Wait. So because lots of things are different, Nightblood could not have been a direct influence for the creation of the knife? Your quote is from after Oathbringer. So yeah, he knows about Nightblood after Oathbringer. Did he know what Nightblood could do to the Fused prior ti Nightblood actually doing it? Knowing Nightblood is there and directly watching it kill what you thought only you could kill are two different things. And Honor has been dead a long time. Nightblood just showed up and just caused the first permanent Fused death in a few thousand years. Soon afterward, Odium comes up with something that kills a Herald.
  23. Do we really have an answer to why the True Desolation is starting now? Wait, how does not implementing an Everstorm show that Nightblood didn't inspired Herald killing blade?
  24. It had one (the Highstorm), and took a pretty long time and convoluted set of circumstances to create. The death of a King, a 6 year war, the targetted effect of the Thrill, a corrupted spren, a set of Listeners willing to bring back their gods, despite knowing how horrible they were, etc. Basically everything that happened in WOK and WOR was a result of Odium setting out to create the Everstorm. Odium has restrictions and getting around them takes a lot of tools and planning. Nightblood is a new tool that can change a lot of plans.
  25. Hemalurgy is piercing a Physical form with an object to transfer a piece of Spirit Web between the object and the Spirit Web associated with that Physical form. Piercing with an uninvested object pulls the piece if Spirit into the object. Piercing with an object Invested with a piece of Spirit Web transfers that piece to the Spirit Web of the Physical form. Intent and body location are paramount. There are so many fundamentals going on with that process (and it's probably much more complicated than my simple explanation), that that quote amounts to a non-answer. B.S. often uses the phrase "wiggle room" when presented. Yes, there are fundamentals shared between the Herald killing knife and hemalurgy. Just as there are fundamentals shared between shardblades and hemalurgy: piercing a Physical form to directly affect the Spiritual. If Odium could kill Heralds prior to the ending of Oathbringer, why hasn't he and why is he starting now? Odium can kill his Fused at will. I have no doubt Honor could kill the Heralds at will (when Honor was alive). But ONLY Odium could kill the Fused, and ONLY Honor could kill the Heralds. Nightblood showed Odium how to get around an imposed restriction (what would an Oathpact be if not a set of imposed restrictions?)