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  1. Good thinking! I was pondering this cause it really makes sense for them to be hollow and somehow kept in the air through investiture (so kinda like blimps) Another thought crossed my mind though, what if instead they're repelling each other? could it be that the different aethers repell each other like same charged particles? It would explain how the moons hold each other in place staying still, and how the seas stay separated
  2. For a theory I made I had to put together all of the Lift info I could find, if you wanna read my "notes" the link is in the signature
  3. It would make an excellent movie, both for visuals and because, being a shorter story, you'd need to cut far less out to make it fit! Actualy, this could very easily make an incredible animated movie more than probably any other Cosmere story (I'm for for real-life adaptation for everything else)
  4. True I see your point! My head canon for this is that we use the word "burning" because that's what Scadrians call "ingesting a metal and doing a thing that consumes its matter", but while the allomantic burning is a way to access Preservation's investiture, for god metals you can just use the very concentrated phyisical investiture that way, similiar to how you immerse yourself in liquid investiture to use that. We could say that Preservation got insipired by how godmetals worked to make allomancy
  5. As @trav just posted, it's a matter of how Brandon has decided to define God metals, not what I think they should or shouldn't do Though I believe that whether exactly all of them can be burned by anyone is still up to debate, he wanted them in general to be usable by many and unrelated to allomancy
  6. I really like this idea, but I'm afraid it starts to fall into the mistake of giving him too much credit, at the end of the day he didn't have perfect future sight and that's important in the books. But I really like at least the idea of him figuring out he needed to put dumb Taravangian in the right conditions, and that in the future there would be more chances of him being dumb I don't think that's right though, smart taravangian is very passionate about what he does, just not empathic\compassionate. Odium is deeply self centered, doesn't care what happens to other shards if he gets more power
  7. Best title ever, I really hope hiding that person's identity throughout future podcasts' titles becomes a tradition
  8. The point goes a beyond Lerasium, it's about all Godmetals. Godmetals should all provide different effects and are detached from Allomancy as a system, that's why you need to clarify that God metals work with different mechanics, and pure Atium had to fit with those. I'm pretty sure they'll become more relevant in SA5 and definitly in era 3
  9. So we should specify, not anyone can burn Atium to get its allomantic effect. Anyone can burn pure Atium to get it's god-metal effect, which we don't know what it is. Only mistborn and Seers can burn Nalatium (alloy of pure Atium called "Atium" on Scadrial) to get the Allomatic power. God metals can be burned by anybody, it doesn't have anything to do with allomancy or feurochemy or Scadrial, at least that's the way I understand it. It's just a way to access the Shard's investiture. I think using a metal as a metal mind is something different and you have to be a feurochemist to do so I doubt it's possible for others. Plus we don't know if you can actually store youth in pure Atium
  10. So everyone saw it, looks fantastic I think it's hard to argue with that given how viral it got When I saw it in the context of the show though, I thought it didn't make any sense whatsoever. Her head is fully on the investigation, she doesn't particularly care for the guy or the dance, and she has no reason to be attracting attentions, she doesn't give any indication that she needs to "lash out" to unload tension or something like that. I was expecting something like "She neeeds to create a distraction, since she does't care what people think she does a weird dance". Put the way it was, seemed to be like a "insert tik tok dance here" moment. I liked the show overall, this was probably the bit the bothered me the most out of the whole thing, which is a shame cause her performance is fantastic. Was I the only one bothered by this?
  11. I think most theories floating around will be about how the shards might be divided according to Dawnshards as you mentioned, we know very little of the Shattering and I think we'll be in the position to do some serious theorizing in about 10 years when we're closer to Dragonsteel If I was to give my two cents on your idea, I'm pretty sure we've been told that Rayse had held the shard for so long that he was almost fully lost in its intent, so I don't think that the personality of the original Vessels defined the shards, but the other way around: most Vessels, after holding the Shard with so long, were fully aligned with its intent. I don't think the vessel's spirit webs could be so powerful as to directly influece the Shattering, but again it's absolutly fair at this point to think as you do! PS: welcome to the forum
  12. My line of reasoning is that to manipulate the chemistry of a pure God-metal you need insane amounts of energy and perfect knowledge of what you're doing (due to the amount of investiture\spiritual shenanigans), so pure atium to be alloyed requires a shard, much like you could technically do hemalourgy on your own but in practice you need a shard's guidance. In the moment the Atium is alloyed, it quits being a God-metal and can be manipulated more easily
  13. Even shards not being able to fully see the future is a big theme in SA, so I'm fully with you in saying that we shouldn't think that Smart-avangian could plan everything and knew exactly what was going to happen, indeed it got less reliable over time. We shouldnt do that cause then we'd be accepting that Cultivation can just make humans that have what is basically more future sight that any shard, so again fully with you, we don't wanna break the Cosmere so soon If he hoped to get somehow to Odium or just king, unless he tells us, wil always up to interpretation I guess, but he couldn't have absolute control over it. My point is slightly different though, I'm saying that not the reliability, but the readibilty of the diagram was misleading on purpose. He didn't know for a fact he was gonna become Odium, but he knew that to get there he needed to hide it from himself, and to create a cult around the Diagram to do his bidding around Roshar.
  14. I think that if you mean: "body" as a manifestation in the phisical realm "sentient weapon" as weapons which have a counterpart in the cognitive and spiritual realm (shardblades, nightblood) Then the weapon IS the body you speak of. If you mean attaching the cognitive counterpart of the weapon to a human, I think the concentration of investiture required to make shardblades\nightblood would not be well handled by the poor human, as shown by how humans tend to react when "spiked" by such weapons Or did you mean something else?
  15. So I feel that in most conversations regarding Discord it's assumed that it will be sort of an intent "deviation" for Harmony, due to either: The % of Ruin overrunning the % of Preservation the balance between ruin and preservation falling into instability, thus Discord as opposite of Harmony But I haven't heard people taking about what I've been thinking about, which I find more elegant somehow Harmony + Autonomy = Discord My thought process being, it's not the "Ruin" nor the "Preservation" within Harmony that'll change the intent, instead, with a mechanic that we've seen, what if Sazed was to take up Autonomy's shard as well? You could argue that Autonomy truly clashes with Harmony, and if you try to hold both the intent of Harmony and the intent of Autonomy, that's where you get the Discord. It might not be a true "taking over the power" thing, but just the power influencing him, which fits with Autonomy MOs of leaving traces of herself around the Cosmere, as it kinda looked like it was happening throughout era 2. --- Having said that, here's my fan-fiction outline for this side of era 3, just for fun: book 1) we start Era 3 in the middle of all chaotic things are left unsolved by Lost Metal (more "in media res" start than usual Brandon), Sazed is forced already by the end of the book to somehow take up Autonomy's power or part of it. book 2) Sazed is a wild card becoming more and more Discord due to autonomy's influence, a whole lot of science discoveries and beginning of spaceships book 3) Spaceship is ready. With the help of Hoid and Kelsier (forced to work together) and some of our new protagonists, Sazed manages to put Autonomy's influence to his advantage, fully embraces it, and is thus able to truly act and: - releases all of Preservation power as Lerasium dust in in the atmosphere, making everyone a mistborn - now free to act with Ruins intent, he self-shatters (), thus destroying Scadrial (deeply tied to Ruin and Peservation) and leaving a whole bunch of Ruinspren free to roam the Cosmere and we're left, for era 4, with a spaceship full of mistborn (holding what's left of Preservation) ready go to hunt Ruinspren. a bit like Asgardians in MCU Also, if you ever were to put Preservation back together, they might have to all sacrifice themselves. Kelsier takes up what's left of Autonomy and starts a new level of Ghostbloods, using his influence with Autonomy Agents throughout the Cosmere. Again, this is just a plot-idea I think would be fun, but the fact that Discord is not a "simple inversion" of Harmony I think might hold some water
  16. So I don't know if this is even a theory, as it doesn't really have consequences that might be proven right or wrong, but rather an interpretation that I really like of the Diagram storyline as presented. Matter of fact, I was wondering how many people defaulted to this interpetation, and I was just slow not getting it right away, or if there's anything in the text that counters it. We are told the Diagram is difficult to interpet because Taravangian was so smart on that faithful day that he had to trascend "linear note taking" and instead had to bunch information together in what became the Diagram. What I think makes more sense, is instead that Taravangian's plan was to become Odium since that day, the diagram had to be so complex to hide his endgame from both other people and dumb Taravangian himself. He needed to create the cult related to the Diagram to reach his goal, but its full understading was unattainable for them by design, if super smart Taravangian had wanted the Diagram to be understandable, he would have made it so, but hiding the endgame is vital for the plan itself to work.
  17. So spoiler stream came around, Brandon confirmed that the atium needs to be alloyed and that Sazed will do that before giving it to Marsh, we don't even know wether Marsh is aware or not It's great to be a Sanderson fan
  18. So I was reading the stormlight forum and came across this comment Where a WoB is quoted in which Brandon says he was asked by Marvel to do "Anything" with any charachter in the MCU, but he refused to do Oathbringer. I was not aware at all, and as a big fun facts enthsuasts (watching LOTR with me can be a taxing experience) I wonder wondering what else I've been missing of these tiny tidbits! So yeah the topic is a bit wide, but I'm very curious to see if we can put together a nice fun facts list, what's your favorite fun fact that maybe not everybody knows about Brandon?
  19. Thi is a nice catch! I checked the book, don't have an easy way to post the paragraph verbatum from Lost Metal, but there is no mention of the safety system, only that Wayne shoots everything except the hazekiller shots. However Coppermind says on Vindication: So, while I think it might be a little slip, as I don't recall any mention to the safety system in the Lost Metal at all (and had forgotten about it myself), we don't even need to add head canon to make it make sense, you need to activate the safety to stop the gun from shooting, not the other way around.
  20. I think that many actual in-universe metals are valid options for being "the lost metal", but I can see how you would pick out of those Lerasium at it is indeed crucial to the ending of the book. However as you could also make the arguement for other metals, if I had to pick one interpretation, I say Wayne is the lost metal I explained my reasoning in another post if you're curious
  21. I'm of the opinion that looking into it, with him being a mistborn, there were a few ways he could have survived, but I guess we should settle for the fact that it was the biggest explosion ever none could survive the amazing Wayne explosion But I really think you should remove this post, the title is a huge spoiler, spoiler in the title is against spoiler policy
  22. I can see how that could work! It doesn't convince me fully, we're talking Atium dust, I don't know if Marsh as he is now is gonna get into a lab and properly alloy Atium dust and Electrum, it's not like he can just mix the powders So it can make sense to me, but it seems like a workaround to make it make sense, rather than an incorporation by brandon of the Retcon in the books. After thinking about it, I think he didn't want to commit to canon the retcon just yet and just ignored the issue the composition of the metals are critical for them to work properly in Allomancy, but I mean you could also assume that Atium works anyways because godmetal
  23. So talking about the book title I saw several literal interpretations looking around, and they're probably all correct to an extent. It could refer to many actual metals, I must say there's a lot of scarcity as god metals are the general "need" nowdays After I read the book I didn't really consider a literal interpretation of the title and defaulted to a more metaphoric one, this is how I read it (allow me to feel mildly poetic): I loved, loved, Wayne’s storyline in this. I always liked the character, I have a special place in my heart for the "church of the common man" ch. in Shadows of Self, and his arc in Lost Metal is phenomenal. How he becomes the hero, how it parallels the story told by his mom in the beginning, how, unlike in his mom’s story, the hero doesn’t make in the end, he dies, with those beautiful closing lines. But the the hero of this saga actually kind of survives, because out of the two metals that made up the “alloy of law”, one still lives on, but the other is “lost”. So to me, the Lost Metal is Wayne. Was I the only one?
  24. So I'm pretty sure most of us will be aware of the "Atium retcon", I find myself a bit confused about how that works with what we saw in the Lost Metal. So, what we call Atium in era 1 is actually a blend, not the pure godmetal, otherwise anyone could burn it. Wax made Atium and actual Lerasium starting from Harmonium in his experiment. As we know actual Harmonium was used and actual Lerasium was made, it stands to reason that actual Atium was the other product. At the end of the book, Marsh can keep living (using the compounding trick) because Wax made Atium (which in this case would need to be the tainted Atium from book 1, the allomantic metal). I'm wondering wether I should just let this go and understand that era 1 didn't have godmetals fully fleshed out, or if there's actually a way for this to still make sense, what do you think?
  25. I wil join this choir. I also left the book feeling a bit underwhelmed somehow. I'm trying to put my hand on why specifically (read it full-immersion yesterday). As I digest the story, I'm writing down some plotpints that I feel played a part in how I feel about the book right now, I'm very curious to hear counter points to these: - Telsin did basically nothing after buing built up like kind of a mastermind and the Set wasn't very effective On the topic of the Set: so was it the Major was overseen launch tests? wasn't that Telsin's plan? didn't he prepare the welcome party for Autonomy instead? I'm confused. I think in general there was a disconnect between the feeling that the Set was this big hierarchal organization, and the uncovering the lid to see confused people with confused goals moving randomly. Not saying it's bad per se, it seems tied to Autonomy's MO, but I felt a disconnect. What felt like the villains of the book where the two copy-cats, which made little sense motivation-wise to me, but it might be a plot point on autonomy's "creed" left open for future books? - Autonomy, while exciting to finally see on screen, was silly. I guess it was acknoloedgled in story hat Autonomy doesn't make much sense, but really, you moved all of your troops to take advantage of the perpedicularity and take over a plan with a double-shard, and the whole plan gets screwed by some allomancers slurping up the perpedicularity? not a great plan. Also, can we now just assume perpedicularities are this easily closed? Points for letting autonomy's army stuck in a perpendicularity-powered slow bubble for god knows how long - the whole "breed an allomancer" community program was very cool and made sense, but I feel like it has no interactions with the main plot of the book besides misidirection with the apocalypse videos and being close, by "coincidence", to the perpedicularity, maybe this should have been in BoM. I think the best thing this plot point does is leading to Kelsier being unsure on how he feels about it and the end. - The whole Ghostbloods plot was super fun, but basically a secret history on its own winded together with the book's plot in my opinion. I think it doesn't work as well for book that's so fast paced and shuld be closing an era. - I don't feel like we saw on screen much of the resolution of the political tensions between cities, let alone the south, which was the major conflict left by the prev book and started by this one. I wonder if the book would have felt more complete if it was focused on Wax\Wayne and Steris storylines, leaving the Ghostbloods to a secret history type book where we find out how they stopped Autonomy having just hints in the main book, much like the first SH. This could given more space to Autonomy herself to be developped. - The ending seemed a bit contrived to me, couldn't they just sink the ship? that would have watered the three bombs at the same time if done correctly right? even if that's not the case, if wayne could basically stop time around him, couldn't he just like, do whatever he needed to and walk out? As a final thought, I liked the book don't get me wrong! but I guess I strongly agree with the title of this post, to me it felt more like a couple of indipendent novellas smashed together, which these books kinda are, but then again this is the ending for a 4-books series. I also think the slow build up of Sazed's 'corruption' is very well done and a good plot point set up for the next Era.
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