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  1. I would agree culpability makes sense there, but, I don't actually remember if the use of parshmen as domestic animal is as old as slaveform. Was this mentioned in the books? It could very well be the case that the timeline looks something like: 1. Ba-Ado-Mishram is captured. 2. Lots of singers lose sapience and become parshmen. 3. 200-300 years pass, people forget the origin of parshmen. 4. People decide to use parshmen as farm animals.
  2. As far as we've been told, to become a Forger you need to have bloodline connections to MaiPon, but it doesn't seem to be an ability you "snap" into. Presumably if you're born able to Forge, you can always Forge (well, technically. practically it seems to require a university level polymath education, so there's that). It's probably because Forgers are less Invested than most users of arcana, so you don't need to poke holes in their spiritweb for the ability to take.
  3. The minimum threshold for how Invested you have to be to stay immortal is 2000 breaths. That's a decently high amount of investiture, don't get me wrong, but it's not gigantic, on the Avatar scale. (A counterargument you could make here is that maybe Endowment-type investiture is better at anti-aging properties than other types of investiture, but I doubt it's over an entire order of magnitude better.)
  4. I mean, it could just be that Threnodite shades could go into the Beyond if they wanted to, but they have issues with "wanting" things because they aren't exactly sapients with agency anymore, they're shades. This is very plausible.
  5. This is probably a super hot take, but here goes. Parshmen are not singers. They are parshmen. They are treated as domestic animals because they ARE domestic animals, in terms of their sapience. Now yes, you could make the argument that we're not treating our domestic animals right either (and as a vegan, I'd agree) but that's neither here nor there. As long as you bite the bullet that it's okay to treat chulls the way they are treated, then it's okay to treat parshmen as chulls. The fact that they have the potential for sapience doesn't change the fact that they didn't have sapience *when* they were treated as chulls. Yes, of course, when the parshmen awaken and become singers, treat them with the full rights of sapient beings in your society, and integrate them in your society. But I don't think the Alethi have any moral obligation to perform reparative/restorative justice for past treatment. Because the past treatment was of parshmen, not of singers. At *most* you could make an argument for repaying them for their *own* treatment, since they do seem to have memories from during the parshmen haze, but that's entirely different from historical payback.
  6. Yeah, I didn't see it coming myself either. That WoB is definitely a huge gamechanger.
  7. @Pathfinder Reading over the arguments here, I don't think this is only a philosophical disagreement, but an empirical disagreement as well. There seem to be facts of the matter that Bort and Frustration disagree on (such as whether Dalinar took in an average amount of Thrill or whether he took an Odium-empowered amount of Thrill, or whether the unmade can overtake free will, or whether we should believe what Odium said about grooming Dalinar etc.) Resolving the empirical disagreements would not remove the fundamental ethical differences between the debaters, but it would actually change a lot of factors IMHO. (on the Elantris tangent)
  8. I think you're underestimating how much blood oxygenation can achieve on its own. While it is true that breathing does more than simply maintain blood oxygenation, and having steady blood oxygenation is not enough to remove the need for breathing, it *severely* reduces it. Just look at regular, non-Invested, real life Earth humans. We can hold our breath for only about 5 minutes in the normal case, but that shoots up to an impressive 20+ minutes if we breathe in pure oxygen before we start apnea. A literal 300 to 400% boost.
  9. I think overcoming flaws is a very Lightweaver-specific mode that other Knight Radiant orders don't fit. Like, sure, for the Orders that actually have oaths, the oaths beyond the first tend to be personalized to the person's weaknesses. But that doesn't necessarily mean the weaknesses existing are a *strict requirement*. I think it's also telling how spren interact with their Knight. Ivory likes Jasnah because she's dispassionate and calculating, not because she lacked those attributes and got them later. Syl likes Kaladin because he's honorable and protective, not because he became that way from a different mindset (she is *sympathetic* to his flaws, sure, but that's not the same thing as actively wanting the flaws). Highspren like people who understand and respect the law ceteris paribus; if someone was "not there yet" their reaction wouldn't be "Nice, I like flaws and growth!", their reaction would be "you're not worthy of me bonding you, call me when you're more lawful". Cryptics are the ONLY spren we've seen so far who pick who to bond based on a combination between their flaws and virtures, a combination of their damaged inner self and willingness for self-openness (also, let's be honest, if being a Lightweaver was purely about self-openness rather than this hybrid, Lopen would've been a level 4 Lightweaver rather than a level 3 Windrunner by now XD). So yeah, I am making an empirical prediction here: I predict that if a non-cryptic spren finds a human that just happens to psychologically fit the ideals of that spren's order to a T, the spren would be like "cha-chiing".
  10. There's that WoB about how the death of a shard or its vessel is a gradual and protracted process so.
  11. My impression has always been that the way the Song of Prayer works is that you're tapping into Odium and the voidlight acquisition is semi-automatic. He can see you tapping, and he can stop you from getting the voidlight, but he has to know to look in the first place in order to do that. I doubt that even a Vessel has an expansive enough mind to literally consciously take in every single person who uses the Song of Prayer. At least not all the time.
  12. This thread is... deeply confusing to me. And it's not confusing *just* because I'm a utilitarian, it's confusing either way. First off, I'm not sure you guys (the people saying what she did was wrong) understand how provocation works. Provocation works on the reasonable individual standard: if an average reasonable person would lose their cool from your actions, then your actions constitute provocation. If they wouldn't, then they don't. *even if you expected to provoke*. And walking on a public alley can't be argued to provoke the average reasonable person. Now, think about what would happen in a world in which it didn't work that way. It would basically amount to criminal gangs having privileged ownership over public property, at least until challenged by the authorities. Any thug could pick a random street or intersection, shout out loud that they are willing to kill anyone who enters that public street or intersection, and you would *actively lose your right to self defense if you enter it*. Is that really the world we'd like to live in? No. And secondly, I genuinely don't understand this "she could've handled it nonlethally" take. Here's what would happen if she captured them instead of killed them: They would've been executed. Because in Kharbranth their crimes are punishable by death. Plus, pretty sure execution by regular Kharbranthian means is slower and more painful than being soulcast into smoke.
  13. Convey complex info with head nods? Nope We don't even generally speaking have secret salutes/fraternities as such.
  14. *blinks confused, like unto a deer in the headlights*
  15. Hm. All godmetals have a feruchemical property, and any combination of two godmetals has at least 1 alloy which has a feruchemical property. It is *possible* none of the ten Tanavastium-Korraveliumium alloys present in shardblades is the proper alloy, but who knows.