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  1. I think there are several things going on. Anyone with access the the majority of a Shard's power should be able to Ascend and transcend regular rules of magic. The thing with Vin is, she doesn't draw on the mists all at once - they stream into her from all over the world (or at least the Final Empire). They are also not all of Preservation's power - I think Vin fully drawing on them is more like a jump start for her Ascension than the actual Ascension. And so for a period of time she uses them as simply a source of power, then they become too much (maybe she could've Ascended a little earlier, but she was a bit preoccupied at the time, without much time to figure out what exactly she could do with all this power), she vaporizes, and gains access to the entire Shard's Investiture. And on top of all this, the Well's purpose is to give you a brief control over a lot of Preservation's power, so whoever is in there can renew Ruin's prison.
  2. More or less. The working definition we've been using has a person hold most of the power of a Shard. Usually that would involve becoming the Vessel for that Shard, but obviously there are exceptions, it's not exactly an everyday occurrence. The Well, for example, was set up by Preservation with the purpose of allowing somebody to wield most of the Shard's power and accomplish great feats (because once you go that power level, you aren't really bound by the standard rules of magic, you just do magic; Allomancy, after all, is just the near-infinite capabilities of Preservation, channeled through a set of very specific lenses to produce very specific effects, but Preservation is not bound by these rules). Elend's final moments are very different because what Vin is doing is simply fueling his Allomancy - the lenses are still there, she is just pumping Investiture through them. The Heralds, as we understand them, are in a similar position, though they have extra stuff going on. Dalinar is the only other example of weird Ascension we've seen, and that also appears to be a result of several factors playing together - his bond with the Stormfather, and thus Tanavast and Honor, being the most notable one. I find it likely that he could have accomplished fantastical things (and, in a way, he did when he opened or summoned a Perpendicularity), but maybe the fact that Honor was Splintered prevented him from doing truly Shard-like stuff. The difference between his Ascension and the ones facilitated by the Well is further enhanced by the design behind the Well.
  3. Ah, it's been a while, hasn't it? Argent roaming these boards, crafting theories that are less theories and more "here's how I think things work." It's been gnawing on me that I don't get to do proper theory work outside of brief (but brilliant) ideas on Shardcast, so when I got excited about a conversation happening on the Discord server I decided to put my thoughts in a more structured format. Those of you who don't even know who I am, hello! I am a machine that consumes Cosmere content from one end and produces memes and theories from the other. Hope you find some food for thought. Highlights Roshar has some native magic that's not a proper Invested Art. Although it has three (or thirty) magic systems now, this number was different in the past. Surgebinding could be either of Honor or Honor and Cultivation both, it doesn't actually matter much. The Old Magic is Cultivation's, but it doesn't quite count as an Invested Art. It's more... primal than that. Renarin is a Surgebinder, but Glys's unique composition of Investiture means he can do things more commonly associated with Voidbinding; if he is considered a Voidbinder, he is not a traditional one. Neither the Regals nor the Fused are Voidbinders. Some of the Ashynites were, however. Call 1-800-COSMERE in the next 30 minutes and get a bonus mini-theory about "the greater power of the Surges." Explanation Alright, let's dig in. The Early Days Roshar, even before the arrival of Honor and Cultivation (and therefore Odium) had some serious interplay between the inhabitants of its Realms. Flora and fauna alike could (likely) interact with ambient Investiture, as evident by the nourishing properties of Stormlight (though back then it wasn't quite the same) and the ability of some animals to form symbiotic bonds with spren; the Dawnsingers were, of course, the most spectacular of these, given their ability to form even deeper bonds with spren. A recent Stuttgart WoB compared - and I am both paraphrasing and extrapolating here - the singers' ability to change forms to evolution, only it's kind of Realmic evolution; the symbiotic spren bond introduces foreign Investiture in their Spiritwebs, and the changes in their Spiritual DNA manifest as changes in both their Physical and Cognitive aspects. In other words, singer shapes are the result of natural process. More on that later. Two Shards Cue the arrival of Honor and Cultivation. Normally, I would expect three Invested Arts from a dishardic world, but this does not appear to be the case here. The way Brandon counts them, there are three magic systems on Roshar now - Surgebinding, Voidbinding, and fabrials, with the Old Magic being "kind of its own weird thing." Take Voidbinding away, because it most likely wasn't present this early in Roshar's history, and we are left with... probably two. Now, that's actually not terribly important. There is a few ways you could dissect the original magics of Roshar, but I think what's significant and undeniable is that Surgebinding is related to Honor. Cultivation may or may have been directly involved. The Old Magic is related to Cultivation, and it may or may not be an actual Invested Art. Fabrials can be either a natural extension of Roshar's own native magic, or they can be a formal magic system crafted by both Honor and Cultivation. You could even make the claim that fabrials are of Cultivation specifically, while Surgebinding is solely of Honor. I personally find the association between Honor and Surgebinding particularly compelling. If we define the core of Surgebinding as the act of binding Surges by way of a spren (Nahel) bond, it fits very well with Honor's intent being at least partially about bonds and oaths. Note that this doesn't conflict with the fact that Surgebinders can bond with spren of Cultivation; the kind of spren you bond with doesn't matter, what does matter is the oath and the (partial) merging of Spiritwebs between person and spren. Also note that the complete absence of Surgebinders until sometime after the creation of the Honorblades is not an issue either; the magic system can exist without anyone making use of it. It took some time for humans and spren to figure out how to access it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't there. If this doesn't sit well with you, however, you can take the route of Honor not establishing Surgebinding until after the Honorblades were created. Again, it doesn't actually matter, as this theory is mostly concerned with the mechanics behind the different magic systems. This leaves fabrials. I am not thrilled about treating them as a dedicated magic system, because I've been thinking about them as a mechanical way of emulating natural processes - the binding of a spren inside a gem, something we already established is just a property of Rosharan life. Fortunately, there is some room for revision to this idea that still makes things mostly work out. Yes, what fabrials do is very similar to what the singers do, but where their symbiosis leads to Realmic evolution, fabrials lead to... effects. Effects that are, in some ways, similar to Surges - which makes sense, the Surges are kind of like fundamental forces, so everything will be related to them - but also different from them; no Surge, as we understand it, can selectively draw water from the air, or produce heat, or take someone's pain away. So perhaps it is in these... almost surgical divisions of the Surges that we find room for a standalone magic system. Something that still involves a bond, a thing of Honor (even if modern ones are more about trapping spren than bonding with them), but also requires a (mechanical, apparently) cultivation of the spren's nature, a way to take this seed of elemental power and direct it, refine it, grow it into something specific. Odium is about to crash this party, so let's recap quickly. Surgebinding is of Honor because it's all about an oath-based bond with a spren. If you like to throw Cultivation inside Surgebinding too, you could say that it is not only about the bond, but also about nurturing and growing it. Fabrials probably use a bit of both, but in the context of expanding upon what Roshar's own native magic had already provided. The Effect of Odium Odium, being the unsavory individual that he is, throws a wrench in all of this, of course. I believe that if he was truly Invested in Roshar he would spawn not only his own Invested Art, its interaction with the already existing magic systems would lead to even more magic systems. This, however, does not appear to be the case. Nothing related to him seems fundamentally different enough from what's already there to warrant being called its own system. Instead, what he appears to do is corrupting existing Invested Arts. Very similar to how Trell can show up and build on top of Hemalurgy by introducing his own metal to the mix, I believe that Odium can manipulate Surgebinding (and maybe fabrials; it's not clear whether voidspren fabrials would've been possibly without his will) but not in ways that are too dramatically different from what was already there. Let's go over some places where Odium's presence is undeniable, and see why most of them don't count as independent magic systems. The Regals The Regals - singers who have assumed forms of power - seem no different from regular singers as far as mechanics go. They appear to form the exact same kind of bond they form naturally, only this time it's with a voidspren. Remember how we established that singer forms are just how life on Roshar works? That's why I don't think this is related to any of the Invested Arts, merely a new result of Roshar's Realmic evolution - and Odium hooking into an existing system. The elephant in this room are obviously the powers the Regals get - futuresight (nightform), lightning (stormform), possibly stealth/invisibility (smokeform), but I think this can all be explained by the exact natures of the voidspren involved and by the amount of Investiture they bring to the table. Creationspren - required for artform - don't appear particularly sapient, which I interpret to mean that they are not particularly heavy on Investiture, so there is only so much they can do when it comes to the transformation. The voidspren associated with the forms of power could be both more self-aware and more Invested, which could lead to a more profound effect in the resulting form. The Fused The Fused are... problematic. On one hand, they are kind of like spren, so we could expect something similar to what happens with the Regals, only a much greater scale. On the other, however, they are not simple spren, and don't so much form a bond with their hosts as take over. I would say though, that the mechanics behind their physical transformation are similar to the ones behind every singer transformation - the Fused's Spiritweb fuses with that of the singer, but in a much more invasive way; the physical form of the host retains some of its characteristics (as seen when Venli mistakenly addresses Hariel as Demid), but the Cognitive Aspect is probably completely replaced by the Fused's. I think it's important to point this out because it allows for the Fused to gain access to powers and abilities a singer wouldn't ordinarily be able to, regardless of the type of spren they bond. After all, we are dealing with a Spiritweb that's now much more deeply suffused with Odium's power, so there is a lot of room for unique features. What about their powers though? We know they have access to Voidlight - as do the Regals, for that matter. This is no surprise, as both have a non-insignificant amount of Odium's Investiture in their Spiritwebs, which likely means they are also Connected to him. The same way an Allomancer can tap into Preservation's Investiture because of that (extra) bit of his Investiture in their soul, both the Regals and the Fused can tap into Odium's. It is interesting that Surgebinders are limited by their need to carry around a supply of Stormlight (or be inside one) when their Nahel bond should've suffused their Spiritwebs with enough of Honor's (or Honor's and Cultivation's, if you prefer that) Investiture to allow them direct access - after all, the voidspren involved with the Regals must surely be far less Invested than something like an honorspren, and that bond is enough to let them tap into Odium. I have two solutions to this. One, Stormlight appears to have been designed to have a cyclic nature - it flows through the ecosystem, it leaks a lot (unlike Breath). So tapping into this natural cycle and accessing it as a part of it seems fitting. But two - and this is the spicy one - what if simply none of the Surgebinders we've seen so far have progressed far enough to "unlock" this? The strength of the Nahel bond grows with each Oath, the Spiritwebs of Radiant and spren merging more and more; what if "the greater power of the Surges" is the ability to Invest directly from the Spiritual Realm, like the Honorblades do? The Nahel bond was modeled after them, after all. It isn't real evidence for this, but Nale - who is the only person we know has sworn the Fifth Ideal - never Invests from gems or spheres, even when his Honorblade is dismissed. But that's a different theory. Let's go back to the Fused and their powers. So they can use Voidlight, but what they use it for is something very similar to Surgebinding. We see Fused "fly" like the Windrunners do, we see them glide exactly like the Edgedancers, and we see them don illusions - just like Lightweavers. We also see some who grow and shape their carapace at a rapid pace - which could be a Stonewardy thing. They probably aren't binding Surges, per se, as there is no oath here, but I think this could be Odium's "corruption" of Surgebinding, much like the Regals are his "corruption" of the singer's native magical ability to form bonds with spren. Surgebinding still exists in its original form, but Odium is building on top of it - recall the trellium example from earlier. Renarin Ah, Renarin. What a conundrum you are. I have long been a proponent of the idea that Renarin gets one Surgebinding power and one Voidbinding power, and I think I finally have the framework to explain why. First, I have to accept that his claim to be a Truthwatcher is truthful, or at least an honest one. He appears to wield Progression pretty much exactly like we'd expect a Truthwatcher or an Edgedancer to do. His only other power leads to a very visual form of futuresight - he sees the future. Materializing visuals sounds like the domain of Illumination, and the fact that they are of the future (combined with the fact that Glys is corrupted) suggests Odium to me. Progression and Illumination, great, Truthwatcher*. And the reason it works like this is because Glys - regardless of whether he is a corrupted Truthwatcher spren or not - has a Nahel bond with Renarin, their Spiritwebs are partially merged. Glys, however, introduces some of Odium's Investiture in Renarin's soul, resulting in someone who has a bond with not only the Surges, but Odium as well. The empty pit that sucks in emotion. The void. Someone... bonded with the Void. A Binder of Void? A Voidbounded? I am sure we'll see a term for that at some point... Regardless, what Renarin does is pretty unique and is most definitely not Voidbinding - not entirely, at least. More on that later. The Original Voidbringers Not much to talk about here, but it's worth pointing out that Odium was considered - by the Dawnsingers - to be the human god whom they brought with them from Ashyn, and that it was the powers of the Surges that led to the destruction of Ashyn. The humans there probably had a way of accessing the Surges, not through Honor or Cultivation, but through Odium instead. And upon arriving to Roshar they either abandoned or lost this ability. This would've been Odium's magic system, not the hacks and extensions to the ones native to Roshar. I'd argue that this is... Voidbinding Okay, but what is Voidbinding? If it's not what the Regals do, and it's not what the Fused do, and if what Renarin does is a related to but not exactly it, then what is it? Well, if Surgebinding - the binding of Surges - is about forming a bond (through Honor and oaths) with a spren, a manifestation of the natural forces of the world, a manifestation of the Surges... Then wouldn't Voidbinding be the binding of the Void? Forming a bond with Odium? Maybe there are oaths involved (though they are kind of Honor's thing, so maybe not), maybe it's something that fits either literally or figuratively with the idea of giving up your Passion, giving it to Odium. Instead of Investiture shoring up cracks in your Spiritweb, you damage your own soul, or you give up parts of your soul, and invite Odium in, but what you give up is not gone, it forms a connection (Connection?) with Odium, a conduit for his power. And in return you gain access to the Surges, but not in the same way a Surgebinder would - the forces are the same, but the effects are different. This is what the Voidbinding chart shows! Odium's number may be nine, but there are ten levels of Voidbinding - each "major glyph" in the chart represents a Voidbinding Level (akin to the Surgebinding Orders), and each "minor glyph" represents one of the Surges; only, recall, the powers granted by Odium are different, so their glyphs are twisted versions of their "holy" counterparts. This, I posit, is also exactly what Amaram was doing when he was merging with Yelig-nar. The Old Magic Obviously, very little is known about the Old Magic. Most of what we know about it comes from second and third hand reports in the books, as well as a few WoBs that don't explain the magic as much as they confirm some things it can do. Khriss calls it a "cousin" to Voidbinding, however, and Brandon appears to have confirmed that it is "related" to the disease-based magic of Ashyn while also predating spren bonds. Assuming you are with me on what I think Voidbinding is, we can make some educated-adjacent guesses about the Old Magic itself. The combination of "older than spren bonds" and "related to the Ashynite disease magic" is very interesting, since one of these is very old and the other one appears to be a newer development. One way the two are obviously similar is the concept of tradeoffs - Ashynite diseases make you sick, but also give you power; the Old Magic curses you, but also grants you a boon. Combine this with Voidbinding also being related to the Old Magic (cousins), and you end up with three magic systems that are all somehow related to each other. Here's one way they could satisfy this: The way the Old Magic seems to work is through specific and direct alterations to people's Realmatic Aspects - not too dissimilar from Hemalurgy, actually, only maybe broader. Voidbinding, as I've presented it, involves an injection of Odium's Investiture into a person's Spiritweb - which, on the surface, is closer to Surgebinding (and may, in fact, be), but is also kind of similar to the Old Magic in the way a Shard pretty much directly changes you. Contrast this with Surgebinding, where most of what happens is a result of a gradual change in both Surgebinder and spren; no direct Shardic involvement after the initial setup of the Invested Art. So how are the Ashynite diseases related to all this? They too sounds like a direct injection of Investiture - you contract the disease, it modifies your Spiritweb to grant you powers, and once it's gone, so are the powers. It's obviously not a Shardic-level interaction, but I've always thought that it was the absence of Odium that allowed for these diseases to evolve in the way that they did - similar to the parasitic worms associated with the Aviar's powers. Both would've been Shardless worlds, but with more than just a smidgen of ambient Investiture floating around, allowing for wonky magical phenomena. Kind of like Roshar before Honor and Cultivation, actually. Summary & Conclusion I think this covers all of the notable magics of Roshar. Obviously some things are missing - I haven't talked about how exactly it is that the greatshells' bond with the mandras allows them ignore some of their crushing weight, for example, or about why certain pairs of Surges are considered inherently "natural pairings" - but all the ones I can think of are either minor or far too mysterious to address in this monster of a post (~3200 words so far, if you are curious. And to think that 1000-words essays sounded scary in high school...). My Intent was to look at all of the significant magic systems of Roshar and break them down like an arcanist might, look at their realmatic components, understand how they work and why they work this way - and see if I can apply this breakdown to the systems we know less about. Like any proper theory, its strength is measured by how convincing it appears to its readers and by its ability to make verifiable predictions about the future. We won't know how right or wrong I am about things like Voidbinding or the Fifth Ideal until at least the next book, but I can at least invite you all in to read, think, and comment. Cheers!
  4. This one, I like them.
  5. I'd say this is one of those things where user discretion is advised. If people have already replied to your recent comment, or have quoted it, you going and hiding it kind of breaks the continuity of the thread (unless you all agree that your posts don't belong, so you all go hide them).
  6. Fair points, all of them. One of the reasons I don't like Cultivation messing with Surgebinding is because Surgebinding imitates the Honorblades - which don't sound like something she would've had a hand in, especially since she wasn't involved in the Oathpact either. If you add her in one place, you kind of have to add her everywhere; which isn't necessarily bad, and the rest of my theory should mostly work as is, I've just placed my bets on the model that leaves her out. I wouldn't be too upset to be wrong about this though. I don't interpret this collection of WoBs the same way you do, I don't come out of it with the conclusion that the Fused are accessing the Surges mechanically. The key takeaways, I think, are that mechanical access to the Surges (e.g. fabrials, Honorblades) is less flexible than organic one (e.g. Nahel bond). the Fused have two things going for them - they are limited in the ways they can use their magic (which limitation you ascribe to them accessing the Surges mechanically, while I attribute to the side effects of Odium's corruption of Surgebinding), and their use of Voidlight makes them more efficient in some situations. One of the main reasons I disagree with your interpretation is because the gemstone that plays a role here is not just a random gem, it's a gemheart - something that's pretty fundamental to how the singers work. I've been trying very hard to avoid letting Honor and Cultivation meddle with Ashyn because while it could solve some problems (e.g. the connection between the Old Magic and the Ashynite diseases), it opens a biiig can of worms I am not prepared to tackle.
  7. I disagree with much of what follows. Yes, Breaths are quantized, but almost everything that follows seems like you are trying to fit various aspects of Awakening into your theory. I do agree that the Heightenings resemble the stable electron energy levels. I take a very specific issue with the assertion that Breaths are the only form of Investiture that's quantized. Yes, the quanta seem larger than other forms we've seen, but that doesn't mean that it's a unique feature. In fact, I'd be surprised if other forms of Investiture weren't quantized. Debatable. I think there is enough evidence to suggest that soul manifestation is just something you can do in the Cognitive Realm, and it's the introduction of the Surges that complicates things. But I am not saying that fabrials are of Honor. The bond between a greatshell and the mandras that allow it to cheat the square-cube law is not something Honor, and neither is the one between a singer and its form-granting spren. I consider fabrials similar to those, only they rely on trickery. Yeah, I could've phrased this better. I meant this as the "Voidbinders - who are explicitly not Fused under my model." I've been rethinking my understanding of Connection, so I am going to put a pause on that. I am still not sold on the part about emotions (though there may be something to it, considering how the Rhythms are also associated with emotions, and they are definitely Spiritual), but the thing about the forces is potentially interesting. I'll need to reexamine other examples of Connection we've seen.
  8. I've been posting threads about new Graphic Audio adaptations for Brandon's books for some time now, and I've realized that they are not very good discussion threads in part because not many people listed to the GA audiobooks, in part because there isn't much to discuss. Regardless of whether we (dis)like the Graphic Audio approach to audiobooks, and regardless of whether we can afford them or not, I think we can all agree that pretty Cosmere art is always a good thing, and fortunately the artists GA works with are on point there. So, if for no other reason but to put together a list of snazzy art, I am going to use this thread to aggregate all of Brandon's Graphic Audio audiobooks, with links to higher resolution versions of the covers when possible. I'll have to get to the covers later though, a bit busy now =\ Elantris Elantris (1 of 3) Elantris (2 of 3) Elantris (3 of 3) Warbreaker Warbreaker (1 of 3) Cover Warbreaker (2 of 3) Cover Warbreaker (3 of 3) Cover Mistborn The Final Empire (1 of 3) The Final Empire (2 of 3) Cover The Final Empire (3 of 3) The Well of Ascension (1 of 3) Cover The Well of Ascension (2 of 3) The Well of Ascension (3 of 3) The Hero of Ages (1 of 3) The Hero of Ages (2 of 3) Cover The Hero of Ages (3 of 3) Cover The Alloy of Law Cover Shadows of Self The Bands of Mourning (1 of 2) The Bands of Mourning (2 of 2) The Stormlight Archive The Way of Kings (1 of 5) Cover The Way of Kings (2 of 5) Cover The Way of Kings (3 of 5) Cover The Way of Kings (4 of 5) Cover The Way of Kings (5 of 5) Words of Radiance (1 of 5) Words of Radiance (2 of 5) Words of Radiance (3 of 5) Words of Radiance (4 of 5) Words of Radiance (5 of 5) Oathbringer (1 of 6) Oathbringer (2 of 6) Oathbringer (3 of 6) Oathbringer (4 of 6) Alcatraz Alcatraz Versus The Evil Librarians Alcatraz Versus The Scrivener’s Bones Alcatraz Versus the Knights of Crystallia Alcatraz Versus the Shattered Lens The Dark Talent Bastille vs. the Evil Librarians: The Worldspire [presumably] Other Shadows Beneath
  9. lgbtq+

    @Doomstick, @ShadowLord_Lith, @Ax's Boyfriend, do you mind going back to your non-animated but equally lovely avatars?
  10. Vin

    Definitely somebody who can stab you to death, but also looks like a tiny precious nugget. Of death.
  11. With great theory length comes great length of the replies... I'll get to both of yours soon, it's just a lot
  12. Hopefully more eyes on this help, I like glyphs stuff
  13. Amd you did, I just got too caught up in wordsmithing my sentence and didn't realize I was different things. I am actually confused by this edit. My understand of your theory was that the original plan was to trap Ba-Ado-Mishram (which I agree is not a Bondsmith-specific thing, but I don't think the text contradicts that either, hence my confusion), but just before the Radiant SWAT team was about to do that Melishi came up with a different plan - one "related to the unique abilities of the Bondsmiths." Specifically, to sever the connection to their gemhearts, thus not only denying them forms of power (which the original plan would've done just fine), but to also deny them any form, instantly winning the war. And so, if I've understood everything correctly, you didn't need to reemphasize all of this I kind of glanced over that the first time around. After a more careful reread, I can't say I am a fan. It's certainly a possibility, and I think... @Calderis had a similar theory? One that explained the similarities between dullform and "slaveform" as parts of the Spiritweb "folding in" on themselves in the former, where in the latter they were completely "ripped away", and it was those parts that were responsible for spren bonding? You could explain the missing gemheart with something like the singers losing their "gemheart Spiritual gene," and so they no longer get a gemheart, and therefore lost all the benefits that come with it... But I just don't think any of that is necessary. You get pretty much the same results by simply "deactivating" the gemheart, which seems like far fewer steps to me.
  14. The Coppermind wiki will often have decent art. It just happens that there isn't a whole of fanart of Elantris characters available out there to begin with. It also doesn't help that they are not very well described...
  15. I thought similarly; the Sibling bit is a relatively minor and largely independent part of the overall idea, I just wanted to bring it up. I don't think I am particularly shocked by anything in your write-up though, it seems reasonable and in line with things we either know or things I've long assumed to be true. Melishi somehow crippling the singers, stripping away their ability to change forms and hear the Rhythms, and achieving that by way of trapping Ba-Ado-Mishram has been about as solid of a theory as we get these days, and codifying this process by saying that it has to do the singers' gemhearts sounds like a reasonable way of explaining it all. I am not too hot on the actual physical gemheart being removed, but some kind of magical separation sounds alright. I've been explaining a lot of things with Spiritweb merging recently, and so I am going to slap this mark here too, and say that the whole thing about the singers' Identity being malleable makes sense in this context - the spren responsible for a singer's current form is partially fused with their Spiritweb, and it is the gemheart that facilitates this, similarly to how a Nahel bond works.
  16. I think there is strong evidence that the Stormfather was the only Bondsmith spren bonded during the Recreance (and, by extension, during the False Desolation and the singer genocide). Does that change much in your theory?
  17. I've seen similar ideas in the time since Oathbringer, and my big issue with them is that such complexity just doesn't seem necessary. Progression, like most magical healing in the Cosmere, already uses the patient's Spiritual Aspect to figure out what state to restore them to; adding Illumination, let alone Spiritual Illumination (something we don't really know exists, though I personally think it does) to the mix just seems... unnecessary. But I understand the desire to make Truthwatchers special in a way similar to how the Bondsmiths are, given their place in the Double Eye.
  18. It's always hard to tell, with glyphs. I like your method though - clearly isolating each phoneme, and then trying to match them against Nazh's page using rotation. I think the first one (your T) resembles an N more closely. I am not super sold on the Y, but none of the other vowels match any better, and I think a vowel is very likely after either a T or an N. D seems the most likely for the third one, though it could be a rotated B too, I think. It's hard to argue with the TH, but I really don't like how awkward it makes the word sound... The next one is weird. I don't think it's an O, I think Os are going to have 4 distinct strokes, and this one has at most 3. A rotated E could work. An I with an extra flourish could also work. I actually think the closest match is a P, but that really doesn't work if the previous two are consonants... The M seems solid to me. One thing you can do, actually, is post on Reddit (r/Stormlight_Archive probably) too, but also ping Isaac (u/izykstewart)/ Given that you are not outright saying "what does this say?" and are instead showing some work, he might offer some thoughts (assuming he is not busy, which he often is these days...).
  19. Hello, and welcome! Hope you enjoy your time here, and stay wholesome
  20. Oh, go through the book and keep track of what's where? This is Galadon's library, this is Kiin's house, this kind of stuff?
  21. I wrote that page Those are pretty much the two interpretations that make sense - you either count the 8 definite colors, add smokestone, and drop diamond because it's transparent; or you start with the 8, and then count diamond & smokestone as the same "color."
  22. Correct. Brandon's notes call garnets "deep violet" while rubies are "deep red."
  23. lgbtq+

    I see everyone here is having fun, which is great, but I feel like I need to come rain a little bit on your parade, if you pardon the turn of phrase. Animated images, especially ones with rapidly changing colors and/or bright lights can be unpleasant or annoying for some people to look at, and when those images are forum avatars, there is little those people can do to avoid that. So maybe you could keep those for a little while longer, say until the end of the week, and then replace them with something less... flashy? As for this thread specifically, it is probably a fine place to continue sharing both pride stories and seizure-inducing rainbowed GIFs :)
  24. My best guess was that diamonds' transparent light just doesn't count as a color, so the other gem types give you a total of nine.
  25. Half the reason Vin's relationships section exists as an objective is so I can have an excuse to put this gorgeous artwork next to her TenSoon subsection, once that becomes a thing.