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Rolling with the theory here of "Destroy" being torn from cephandris's spirit web to make Nightblood But he would have to share the knowledge of how to make it. All things created by a shard or adonalsium? Therefore made by something with a gods understanding which i feel brandon is making into a very important thing.

You're right. The timeline is now all messed up.

Oh I definitely believe cephandris pulled a fast one on the scholars. We haven't really seen the savantism of different major character really affect their abilities or lives in a major way, I really cant come up with a better idea that fits with savantism and also deals with preservation having been a shard and not a dawnshard, but this is why I finally made an account. (edit) As far as I recall we haven't seen someone survive a hemalurgic spiking yet which i imagine is the closest thing to what im imagining happened to create Nightblood just using breath instead of metal to tear off a bit of a spirit web. Yes Ruin is not the embodiment of destruction, but he has become much more polarized over the years on scadrial. I was running on the supposition that it was close but not exact and that the only reason it was enough was that Kel was a cognitive shadow and super linked to Ruin already. i wasnt aware of this but the five scholars are still insanely earlier. They have to be pre-recreance and post-ashyn. Id guess somewhere around the 2nd-5th desolation. Simply because they had to go to roshar and see the shardblades or honorblades in action. I think its unlikely they came any later than that because the desolations started getting closer together and I don't see vasher abandoning such helpless people to their deaths by revenant rock people. So that puts Nightbloods creation somewhere in the first 3-4 thousand years of the 10 thousand year timespan for the cosmere. If it was true he wouldn't believe it i dont understand what you mean here. That's because she's not oversaturated yet I heavily question whether vasher would ever allow another Nightblood to be created and something in Nightblood is actively changing investiture without corrupting it. The only way I see that happening with the "breath" system is some type of powerful command that grants understanding(in the way a dawnshard does), causing intent to exist separate from the awakener. Said separate intent(and sentience, cause lets face it the sword is sentient) is only concerned with fulfilling the command but cant because it doesn't have enough investiture to change a dawnshard. So the command is still trying to carry out its function but limited by the amount of investiture steel can hold. Also I don't see sentience being creatable other than by adonalsium's "understanding". Dawnshards don't have perception But Nightblood does and so does Ruin. Of course, he wants to keep us guessing Well yes, but I'm running with my theory here.

This point still confuses me. He quite handily puts Kelsier on his rear in The Well. So he can harm someone if he's provoked? Or is it because he knows that regardless of what he does to Kelsier it won't actually harm him? And a lot of "harm" is in the mind. Even without a corporeal body, it would still register as pain, thus harm? And wouldn't it still be considered physical harm, if Hoid was there physically? Applying physical harm? Brandon Sanderson If you re-read that scene, Hoid himself is shocked he's able to do what he does there. Let's just say he himself doesn't quite understand the issue as much as he once assumed. ice_royale Can we assume he cannot harm a LIVING being, but Kelsier is at that point not a living being? Brandon Sanderson This is the conclusion Hoid came to, so it's a pretty solid assumption. Dawnshard Annotations Reddit Q&A (Nov. 9, 2020) I don't think Brandon uses assumption on accident here. I think it is an assumption and a big one. So its definitely an external entity's(Ruin/Destroy) perception on a spiritual level, and also cephandris's perception of himself as being unable to destroy because he bound that part of his spirit web away in night blood. Then on top of that you have them being in the well of ascension. The very place where Ruin in a cognitive and spiritual sense only was trapped for at least I'd say 3-8 thousand years, just permeating the very location in his essence on the cognitive realm.

No Asterisk is the name of vivennas blade I doubt that kel can just be hurt because hes a cognitive aspect since cephandris has to have ran into many cognitive aspects in the past and i dont trust what he's said on the subject.

Also, asterisk leaks Grey smoke not black.Does not leak smoke but does turn people/limbs grey. That seems to lend a bit to my theory. At least as far as Nightblood capital N goes. I just really can't see cephandris having held some type of protectey dawnshard and that being why he can't hurt people. It feels too simple for me. It could be the binding to Nightblood did the spirit web damage too. And warbreaker is still early in the timeline of the cosmere since cephandris uses yolish lightweaving and sand mastery, meaning the "binding" would be really early in the timeline. Also! Kelsier gets the smackdown because he's more of ruin than preservation. Ruin being similar to Destroy makes the spirit web click for cephandris to be able to harm him. And the only reason it's close enough to connect to that mutilated/withered part of cephandris's(?) Spirit web is because Kelsier is a cognitive shadow with no physical connection so the spirit web has more connection to his current aspect. What if the reason Nightblood sucks up so much investiture that its overflowing is because Destroy still hasn't become "Destroy Evil" in the Dawnshard way and the command is still trying to preform its fuction but needs more fuel to do so? Like it needs adonalsium levels of investiture but mere steel cant contain that much.

What if cephandris was the weapon. He could have held "Destroy" long enough after that it warped his spirit web to the point that he was dependent on its existence to "destroy" anyone/thing or be destroyed. The reason he can't be harmed/harm is because in the spiritual realm his spirit web is literally missing the piece that let's another web hurt it or be hurt by it.(It's mumbo jumbo-ey. I know.) He worked with the 5 scholars to bind "Destroy" so no one could use its power. The impossible thing he's trying to do is change "Destroy" to "Destroy Evil". That's also how a dawnshard is different from the others. That dawnshard is nightblood. Actually I guess it should be Nightblood.