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  1. There is also the conversation between Jezerezeh and Nale to consider: So if this is the conversation before Oathpact was sworn, it means that: -in the initial conflict Nale opposed Jezerezeh -Jezerezeh thinks that Nale was right and he himself was wrong -Oathpact will "fix what they have broken" This implies something more than just the singers starting war; humans see something they had done badly. I am not sure what it means; but Jezerezeh implies that he himself and Ishar broke something which started the cycle. Maybe some of the first bonds were forged by Ishar? Something they did caused the war with Singers? Clearly if Nale opposed them, there must have been some split in humanity. But not on a level so fundamental that they wouldn't agree in the end. Nale doesn't blame Jezerezeh here at all and accepts their offer, so it clearly is not that J&I started the whole thing.
  2. There was no need to check on the spren as there wasn't supposed to be any effect on them. Everyone believe than spren outside of a bond are unchanging and nobody thought that they could be affected - because there was no earlier precedence to believe something could have happened. This turned out to be not a thing, but they simply didn't expect that there could be an effect; it was a new thing presumably caused by Ba-Ado-Mishram imprisonment. Umm, beacuse they were dead? Nearly the entire membership of Windrunners and Stonewards was killed shortly after Feverstone Keep incident. It wasn't a single decision but a long discussion. It is clear in the epigraphs. During the false desolation Radiants became aware of the fact that they were dangerous. My understanding is that limits on surges are artificial; without Honor being able to regulate them, the can run wild and do an Ashyn 2.0. Honor was becoming unable to continue its influence and regulation of the sourges so the Radiants and the Spren came to understanding that sourgebinding needs to end. It took some time, it wasn't a single decision, discussion is mentioned in the epigraphs. So Oathgates were sealed, Urithiru was abandoned. All that was left was to end the false desolation, which was what Melishi and his strike team did. By this point Radiants had millennia of knowledge of Nahel bond. They well may have experimented. There certainly were many Radiants who broke their oaths in the past, so based on those they were certain they knew what would happen. Except they didn't anticipate that the imprisonment of Ba-Ado-Mishram would change everything. Their former experiments stop applying because a very important factor was changed - one they were completely unaware of. So while deadeyes were not a thing before, they suddenly came to being. All Radiants were informed of the decision earlier and came to agreement that this was necessary, but the effects only became a thing after BAM was imprisoned, which probably was supposed to be the moment they would abandon their oaths.
  3. I don't think this will be that simple. I expect becoming Truthless to be a longer thing, drawn out and really screwed up, after which we will say "this was just wrong". Not magical compulsion obviously, but breaking Szeth down; far more than just a sentencing, but some sort of psychological torture.
  4. I don't think he resigned himself. He has two issues - simply being overwhelmed by enormity of spending 4k years in Braize and supernatural herald illness. Note that he recovered partially while Dalinar has sworn 3rd ideal, just like Ishar did and when we see him first he is lucid - kinda - and doesn't say his mantra. So part of his problem is probably related to being separated from blade and similar to this other heralds have.
  5. Adding to the above: Surges are regulated by Honor. Oaths are artificial system used to regulate them; Spren can be far less discerning. With Honor dying and unable to regulate the sourges, there was probably fear that unrestricted surgebinding would result in Ashyn 2.0 on Roshar. Species - wide lobotomy of Parshmen probably only served to reinforce the fear of unrestricted surges (though the decision may have been taken before this happened) and the Orders themselves were clashing with each other at the time. So to avoid a catastrophe of fighting between orders and the danger of unrestricted sourges, when it looked like enemy was gone for good, Radiants and the Spren agreed to abandon the bonds and cease the usage of their powers. Note that it doesn't look like the oaths were actually broken. It was done by mutual agreement, that the bonds had to be broken. But a side effect of Ba-Ado imprisonment was the creation of deadeyes; and most of Radiants got slaughtered soon after thus being unable to pass the true version, and Hierocracy spent some time painting them as villains.
  6. Lets not oversell what he did. He incited a rebellion which would be crushed if not for Vin randomly being able to kill Lord Ruler. Vin and Preservation overthrew the Final Empire; Kelsier completely overlooked the power of Lord Ruler and his plans would amount to little if not for help outside of his control. Even Marsh killing the inquisitors was mostly independent from what Kelsier planned IIRC. Fainlife plants are white, so it may have been a branch from fain tree.
  7. Well, they were defeated each time, so obviously they had to be weaker. Heralds went back, as per RoW, once they were certain humanity can prevail; so if victory was possible then its continuation should be possible as well. Besides, with forms, while singers have a very high mobilization rate, casualties they would have to suffer before defeat would be very significant in the first place, so it would be more of finishing the job. There doesn't seem to be any singer polity in the era of silver kingdoms, so they were probably scattered and vulnerable to concentrated effort. I was thinking mostly in pre - Radiant era. Spren were clearly not as discerning. If Nohadon could go on a conquering spree in the aftermath of a Desolation, then his successor or predecessor should be able to go for a Singer killing one just as easily.
  8. It is mentioned I think in Oathbringer by one of the Fused that they were surprised how humans could not only bond spren, but create a STRONGER bond (with stronger powers). So some sort of bond was possible, just not a Radiant oath-based bond (and well, we see the flashback in RoW to singers shaping stone before Odium arrived to Roshar. Regarding Melishi, his name does seem to be strange. Phonetically it is different than nearly all other human names. It may be nothing (just like Moash he happened to have a singer name) but it does make me wonder.
  9. Form can be changed easily, so transform probably happens rarely. We see that some - many - are more happy in some forms than others, and do not find themselves comfortable in certain forms, but it is closer to unpleasant job attire than body issues. Singers should be far less attached to body form than we are as it is so often changing for them. And with how far form affects thinking, I believe that psychological differences between forms on average are larger than between men and women.
  10. Arguably in most cases even a sane Fused would probably be ambivalent towards their physical gender. It plays little role in lives. their bodies are more of a tool to wage their eternal war - even for Leshwi - than anything else. As long as the tool is useful - what is the difference? Becoming spren-like should mean loosing most connection to things as mundane as gender identity. For Leshwi there s probably no difference in how her body looks like thus any voidlight - related changes wouldn't kick in. OTOH with the gender change - I wonder how healing works with body image issues. If you have some, lets say of the "this body part isn't mine" variety, shouldn't it mean that the offensive body part would fall off?
  11. It is a rather busy period, and it was not that much time. Even if they have learned immediately of Sheth "death" and where the blade was, travel to Urithiru would take a lot of time, especially that getting to tower may be somewhat difficult for a group of Shin people. Then the blade went to Moash and travelling to wherever he was at a moment is probably even harder. The collection by Stone Shamans assumes a more or less normal time, not a middle of desolation. Usually, had Szeth falle, locating the blade would probably be pretty straightforward, and the new user wouldn't be able to use it. Here though the circumstances are much different. Stone shamanism appears to be strange. For all its trappings, it is probably not the original religion of Shin people (as they were not that reclusive in earlier eras and didn't have all those strange rules). So they did come later and maybe this is why they are "false leaders"? It is noted in the books (when Szeth thinks how it was always just a rock). Still, I think that for the lack of properties, Szeth training and upbringing must have been quite strange and while there were no special properties of the stone itself, I think that it played significant role in his training and that it would be very hard for him to disobey.
  12. So, it is something that makes me wonder. In the times of Heraldic Epochs, between Desolations, how did the Parsh people survive? Once the Fused ceased to return, they were quite vulnerable and weaker than humans. I would expect that humans would notice how they serve as a source for new Desolation and some would decide to nip the problem in the bud by killing them off once they are weaker. In this particular situation utilitarian arguments could certainly be raised to justify such activity, of pre-emptive strike (those guys will try to kill us or our descendants in the future, let us strike before they have the chance). Before the Radiants were founded the spren were clearly less discerning about whom they bounded to. To be clear I argue not about the morality of solution - but why no one did it; certainly it should occur to at least some people who would be willing to adopt it regardless of how we judge the act. One could expect at least a severe diminish of parsh numbers. Also anyone who answers with Doylist arguments shall be slowly fed by me to small cremlings.
  13. Next novella is apparently going to be titled Horneater and be about him, so hopefully we will learn sooner than Book 5
  14. I don't think he "ordered" Amaram. Kalak issue is indecisiveness. It is pretty unlikely that he was clear and decisive, and Amaram sounds like a person who would seek justification. So my guess is that Kalak said something and Amaran interpreted it the way he wished. As to looks - well, we have slight inclinations that Heralds may have some strangeness in their appearance. Taln is enormous, as tall as Amaram (who even Kaladin noted was tall), despite not being Rosharan by birth, and built so thickly that Amaram, who is trained soldier after all, had troubles with helping him stand. Ash phenotype is - well, it could be that she is simply taking completely after her mother, but I always found that it was a bit suspicious.
  15. Taln appears to have two separate issues: His general state of mental exhaustion by the millenia spend in Braize More supernatural thing, maybe a disconnect from Honor due to loosing his Honorblade that he occasionally briefly recovers from This was accidental though? His issue is inability to make a decision or even fight. Enslavement of the singers was an accident as I understand - they didn't realise the extend of damage BAM imprisonment would do, and ended with lobotomized slaveforms who couldn't decide for themselves.
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