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  1. Didn't think of that! Wouldn't surprise me. That being said, so many Greek myths are all about "a god shapeshifts to bang a mortal."I rather like "A god shapeshifts to bang another god." A pleasantly equitable twist on #zeusthegoose
  2. [Spoilers All] This started on Reddit, but since I've discovered this incredible site, I thought I'd bring it over here. Apologies if I'm doing this wrong, etc. Strongly appreciate corrections and feedback; I am only so realmatically aware :-) In a nutshell: I am starting to see the goals of a lot of the non-Shardic players in the Cosmere as: searching for a way to transport Investiture between Shardworlds. This is particularly apparent in The Ghostbloods. In Rhythm of War, I read Mraize's statement to Shallan as this: the goal of the Ghostbloods is to assure the persistence of Kelsier's Cognitive Shadow. As Kelek says, the persistence of a Cog requires Investiture. And it makes sense that Kel doesn't have much access to that. For a Cog to access Investiture, it needs any one of the following: -granted it directly by a Shard -on a Shardworld where lots of free investiture is available -on a Shardworld with investiture accessible, and sufficiently Connected to that world to access it -brought Investiture from such a source to it Our boi The Survivor comes up short on all counts: Kel could get some Investiture from the Shard(s) on Scadrial. But this seems unlikely. On the one hand, there's Harmony's growing tendency towards inaction in general; and on the other, I don't know if Sazed would Invest in our psychotic little Survivebro even if he could. He is on Scadrial. The amount of available Investiture there is simply very small - not even as a Mistborn. And as we learned in Secret History, he can't just wander off a-worldhoppin'. Either because the Investiture he has is too Connected to Scadrial to leave, or because he doesn't have enough to overcome this problem; I'm not sure. And a mechanism for bringing free Investiture from one Shardworld to another, has, I believe, not yet been discovered. Therefore, Kelsier would be content to find any of the following: -a way to get himself to Roshar. -a way to get himself to another Shardworld - Nalthis, Sel, Taldain (tho probably not Threnody), and also then access the local manifestation of Investiture. -a way to get free Investiture from any of those places to Scadrial. Has anyone else done this? Not quite. There are only two Cogs that I can think of, who we know were able to worldhop: Vasher and Shashara. From WoB I believe we know that this exact predicament is what caused Vasher to leave Nalthis for Roshar. But I expect it was a lot easier for Vasher to worldhop. He started off very Invested. A Returned with a Divine Breath, naturally Fifth Heightening... however you want to phrase it: Gruff Bae had a lot of Investiture. And as we know from Peacegiver's Treasure, he was definitely no stranger to acquiring more - Nor was Shashara, which we know from the fat stacks she expended in the creation of Nightblood. How is Kelsier going about this? I think he tried several things, one after another. I expect that he created the Bands Of Morning as a scientific experiment attempting to acces more of Scadrial's Investiture. Obviously it didn't work. It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to contact another Shard seeking, uhm, "sponsorship." (Giv avatar plz). This might well be related to all the Trelagist stuff on Scadrial. Whatever, and however - it seems it didn't work. We know from Mraize's Mancave Of Miracles that the Ghostbloods have been to many worlds. And they have brought back from them many Investiture-related objects, including white sand (Taldain), aviars (First of the Sun), and seons (Sel). Clearly nothing has solved the puzzle. We've also seen several ferruchemists offworld. It wouldn't surprise me if some of these are Ghostbloods. Metalminds allow for direct experimentation with the storing of Identity, Connection, and Investiture (Aluminum, Duralumin, and Nicrosil) on other worlds. These Terris people truly are cosmerenauts. However, he Kel hasn't figured out a way for him to Connect to one of these places sufficiently to access their Investiture; or he has, but not in a way that is strong enough to let him survive the trip to it. His work on Roshar - and his interests in Kalak especially - show that he is interested in the free investiture of Stormlight. This leads me to believe that he has concluded that he cannot get Investiture where he is, nor can he get to a better source of Investiture; he needs to bring the Investiture to him. What would the Realmatic effects of this be? #1 - it would give Cognitive Shadows on any Shardworld access to the life-persisting Investiture of the other worlds. Lots of Light = lots of shadows (heyooo). #2 - it would let forms of Investiture manipulation here be powered with Investiture from there. Which means intergalactic arbitrage opportunities for power - practically speaking, allowing merchants the opportunity to elevate themselves to positions of rulership, even interplanetarily so. #3 - probably tons of Realmatic things that I cannot even fathom. Who wouldn't want Kelsier to succeed? #1 - possibly, some or all Shards, as this would threaten their hegemonies over their planets specifically, and over the Cosmere as a whole #2 - every other group who wants to get this technology for themselves - so just rivals for power. This might include The Set, The Sons of Honor, who knows what. #3 - any noninterventionist group, I would think, would object to such a cosmic realignment of power. So I doubt Frost and his 17ers are all about this. Probably not the Sleepless either. Okay, that's how I read this. Am I entirely offbase? Whaddya guys think? -silver
  3. This is probably nothing, but the regularity of his appearances reminds me of Cusicesh the Protector
  4. What if Honor did not wish to beat Odium, but just to fight him? What if he was content with the endless cycles of the Desolations? What if there is honor in battle, and so this single-minded Shard was happy with battles evermore? What if the Radiants learned of this, and they decided they didn't want to be part of his little agreement - his Job-like wager - any more?
  5. Damn my old ass kindle, but I could not read a word of any of these. Anyone got descriptions? aww Kora and Tan Avast. The Avasts! So cute! wonder if she helped murder him...
  6. They are like the evolution of Taravangian's chasing of the death-rattles. Has this Herald spent too long on Braize - or perhaps, could he be turned that way? Conversely, shall Odium seek to tempt The Mother Of Machines with knowledge?
  7. [All Spoilers] Apologies if this is behind the times. I just finished RoW. [And am, as a result, the most sleep-deprived] POINT 1: We know that the Sixteen all came from Yolen. POINT 2: We know that there are three Yolish races: Human; Sho Del; and Dragon. POINT 3: We know there is currently only one Shard on Roshar. POINT 4: We know that dragons can shapeshift. POINT 5: Hoid said something about there being a dragon on Roshar. POINT 6: Specified that the dragon is a woman. POINT 7: And states that she hides her draconian form. POINT 8: During Taravangian's Ascension, we are explicitly told that Cult has many forms, but only one true form. So... Cultivation is a dragon. Right? FUN THEORY 1: "The Dog And The Dragon" is about Hoid and Frost on Yolen. Hoid, a poor widdle human, wanted to be all awesome like the dragons. Whether or not Dragons can actually shapeshift, Hoid acquired an equivalent ability in the form of Yolish lightweaving. He may have done other things as well. But it wasn't the same. Perhaps that is what drove him towards The Shattering. And/or towards being a walking talking museum for forms of investiture manipulation. FUN THEORY 2: We know that Lift turns food into Investiture. We know that this ability was granted her by Cult. I kind of wonder whether food-to-investiture is a dragon thing, and to affect it, Cult modified Lift's spiritual DNA to resemble the draconic. Guys I just want Lift to be a dragon. Is that wrong? Maybe! But I could still be right! FUN THEORY 3: Cultivation's Vessel is named Fyiad. AYYO BRANDON, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
  8. Great idea! Oh, hey, I think maybe we can ride this train of thought even further. It is hinted (known?) that Ishar, AKA the Big Boi Bondsmith, was the one who forged the Oathpact. We know that the Oathpact binds Odium - binds even the Shards. This seems like the sort of thing that one might accomplish - might only accomplish - using a Dawnshard. This might also explain why Ishar is acting as the God-Priest of Tukar. He may no longer hold the Dawnshard (or Splinter thereof) that is UNITY. But he held it so long that it imprinted him - rather as Hoid was imprinted by whatever Dawnshard he once held.
  9. "The truth was, she merely knew how to harness the genius of others." This sounds a lot like UNITE THEM. And harnessing sounds a lot like BINDING.
  10. I wonder if all commands, are derivative of the original Dawnshards. One could compare them to units of Investiture. Dawnshards are like the Shards; big Commands are like Splinters; smaller parts thereof are like Spren. Thus that the "Destroy" in our dear sweet murderbot's "DESTROY EVIL" might not be "the Destruction Dawnshard." But it might be a fraction of a Dawnshard. (Perhaps Shashara held the full Dawnshard; perhaps she had access to it; perhaps she Splintered it; perhaps she only ever had access to this one piece" ...this is also helpful towards my wild speculation that Vin held the Command: "PROTECT."
  11. Is also reminds me strongly of (Warbreaker):
  12. Perhaps it's for the same reason that Rysn was told never to bond a Spren. Perhaps the Bands were a source (even as a repository) of Investiture, which would have given a Dawnshard-bearer too much power.
  13. If the Shards represent power, and the Dawnshards represent intent... I wonder if the the combination of mutually exclusive Commands could have been that which broke Adonalsium. Rather like the problems that Harmony now faces. A logic bomb, that either broke its processes... or stalled them long enough for the Sixteen to step in, and do the Breaking.
  14. I'm reminded of this line from The Second Letter: "[Odium] bears the weight of God’s own divine hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context." Up until now I thought that the 'virtues,' here, were the other Shards (or at least those which would balance him, a la Harmony). I wonder if Hoid wasn't referring to the Dawnshards, either in part or in full.