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  1. I think it could actually serve her purposes and someone who does it wouldn't get the freedom they expected. Like Returned are created to sacrifice themselves at key moments anyway, and stealing an entire splinter would surely steal the mission she's allocated as well given she could go right through the holes created by the hemalurgy to directly communicate with whoever it is now that they carry the splinter. I reckon the bigger issue is you'd probably need a lot of atium to hold an entire divine breath, and I can't imagine being able to be discreet about a piercing the size of a football for e.g in your body or whatever and it seems like it'd be easy to be dislodged in a fight...
  2. It's the balance of forces - the Fused are honestly so much weaker than the Knights Radiant, meanwhile most Allomancers on Scadrial are Mistings who are hunted and are small number of Mistborns in the nobility who struggle to go toe to toe with an Inquisitor. Kelsier's victory over one is seen as exceptional.
  3. It would make sense. Both the Returned and the Heralds are splinters stapled to dead bodies, and in the case of the Fused a singer dies and the cognitive shadow inhabits the remains.
  4. The Ryshadium can bond spren so I don't know that lacking a gemheart is even the hard rule that we might suppose for bonding lesser spren. What might be harder is that the hemalurgy seems to repel spren, and given how the mists shied away from hemalurgists in the time of the Lord Ruler, then it could prove to be a barrier for the Kandra to attract the spren.
  5. Brandon has confirmed that Trell is connected to a known Shard. A small part of me does wonder if Trell isn't somehow connected to whatever amount of Ruin that Sazed had to shed of himself to maintain Harmony. A Ruinous splinter that's been corrupted and transformed/incorporated by another Shard would explain the emphasis on Hemalurgy and that the god metal Bleeder uses can take any ability, suspiciously like Atium's properties. It would also pave the way for a storyline about Discord later on, and avoid introducing a completely new character for the villain reveal in the final book.
  6. It depends! The Metallic Arts and Awakening can both work anywhere in the Cosmere, and if you can get the Aviar off of their native world or the sand from Taldain then things can become viable there. But most of the magic on Roshar is more or less restricted at present as neither Stormlight or spren can be taken off planet right now. The magic from Elantris is also restricted to location, but it seems like the Ire have their own work around to this issue, and seons can get off world even though spren cannot.
  7. I think Sazed's relationship with North Scadrial is probably the best that you could hope for with a deity, though he royally messed up the South, and part of his benevolence is honestly tied up in his paralysis caused by the opposing shards. The issue in judging them kind of comes down to whether you think the ends justify the means, or are created by the means. Pretty much every Shard that's well intended is comfortable with really harming a whole bunch of people to reach their goal and to a degree there's a question if Endowment, Preservation, or Cultivation's 4d chess with human lives is better than tOdium's desire to 'save them all'? And Honor was self-sacrificing, but bound two species into an almost eternal war that one way or another risks genocide.
  8. It's clearly not corrupted investiture as we are familiar with re: Trell and Odium due to its black colour, and in particular it's not corrupted Breath which is 'sticky' in the sense that any holder of Breath that is or once was living must willingly surrender it. Breath doesn't leak like Stormlight or the mists. I'd suggest that it's just brutally destroying Investiture from other Shards and producing concentrated Ruin at a slightly lower rate of return - that's the nature of the corruption and consumption. As the resultant colour isn't that different whether it's Breath, Stormlight, or Voidlight that Nightblood feeds upon I also don't think the smoke is a hybrid light, and I don't think it became that way due to devouring something of Ruin given that's not really how Ati's investiture worked (Hemalurgy was about destroying and coopting bits of Preservation). If it was of Endowment it isn't any longer - it's essentially a Ruin spren now - and I'm guessing it was based on the visualisation and command that was given and perhaps the metals in Nightblood are not what Shashara and Vasher believed.
  9. The evidence for this assertion seems a bit weak. There are no known religions built around Endowment on Nalthis. The majority of religious people on Scadrial worship Kelsier, not Sazed. Cultivation was the only active Shard on Roshar for some time and wasn't a mainstream figure of worship. Autonomy is worshipped on Taldain, but equally it seems like Autonomy is not worshipped in the Drominad system. Obviously the situation is more complicated with dead Shards as in the situations of Threnody and Sel. Having power and being the centre of a religion are not the same thing. And no, but you don't have to have a society without any expectation about behaviours in order to have freedom of religion. It's still freedom of religion even if far right Christians can't ban gay people from school, right. Freedom of religion is not the freedom to impose religion on others.
  10. I'm not sure this is a huge obstacle given that the metallic arts can already be used via feruchemical fabrials. As a result there might be some people who are more adept at using them (the rare person who can use multiple abilities on their own), but if the technology is democratised than there's no reason it'd be anything different than having an education in a specific field like a nurse as opposed to a teacher or a mechanic.
  11. I feel like the metallic arts are just generally easier to integrate into daily life as hacks with a reasonable degree of independence, whereas with surgebinding I'd have to walk around glowing with a giant weapon and constantly having someone hovering over you. The abilities as a Mistborn (or full Feruchemist) are also just so diverse. The same person can use pewter to get through long shifts at work or all nighters for study, use cadmium if someone's had an accident while waiting for an ambulance, use brass to de-escalate a violent customer or partner or whatever, and gold to help confront past problems. There are obviously huge benefits to surgebinding, but they just don't fit into daily life in quite the same way with the same range.
  12. I think there's a probably a few things to untangle. This moves the goal posts, because I think there's a few incorrect assumptions. It's worth threading this back from your beginning points about freedom of religion and understanding how we got here. The argument that you're making is that freedom of religion is impossible in the Cosmere, and you've essentially combined religion and the Shards. But this doesn't work with an actual definition of freedom of religion and that's why these debates about definition and ethics are coming up. We know for example that the majority of shard worlds contain a plurality of religions with a varying degree of freedom of practice that is not unlike our own history considering the religious sectarianism on Nalthis and Sel, the more pluralist experience on Scadrial, or in between experiences like Roshar where atheism and other religious practices (for e.g Horneaters) are permissible if disdained. There's no reason that the peoples of the Cosmere can't experience freedom of religion as we understand it since many of these conflicts seem as much driven by feudalism and sectarianism as anything else, and that's a very human problem. Even in circumstances where Shards actively intervene as religious figures a measure of the religious freedom principle does remain intact. Sazed stewards a world where the most popular figure of worship is Kelsier who has dramatically changed the trajectory of South Scadrial (granted extreme powers as it were), and despite his mild disapproval he allows it, and he only begins to intervene in regards to Trell's violent incursion which is a matter of invasion not worship. On Roshar we have Cultivation as a marginal figure of worship at best amongst humanoids with the majority of people worshipping either spren, a splintered shard, a rival imprisoned shard, or some combination. The issues you've cited from your examples are not a given even if they are possible. Your examples and arguments about Shards making freedom of religion impossible therefore only really holds in the very specific situation where there are at least two Shards in one society and they are violently in opposition to one another and are actively involving themselves in religious practices. As we know that not all planets have Shards let alone multiple ones, not all Shards are violently in opposition to each other, and not all are inclined to religious activity, then this argument doesn't really work.
  13. Yes. Freedom is something we experience collectively in the positive, and if one person has the right to oppress someone else then there's no inherent value of freedom. People may well be free to worship Trell as part of a principle of freedom of religion, but they are not free to extinguish the freedom of religion for those of other faiths. I'm not sure this is true, but it's actually not the point. It's about the logic behind your premise that there is no freedom of religion if Trell's followers can't perform a violent uprising against Harmony. This clashes with the principles of religious freedoms espoused amongst secular societies as we know it.
  14. It could be good as a method of birth control and preventing yourself becoming pregnant in the first place if you don't want it happening. But I think the more difficult thing would be causing an abortion - if your body kept healing while trying to induce a miscarriage the whole thing could be really unpleasant.
  15. On atheism, we are in a society where the entities worshipped are verifiable but what is contested is whether they're truly divine. The Ghostbloods and the Survivorists would both agree that Kelsier exists, but one would see them as a god and another as a powerful guy in charge. Some people worship the Returned, and others see them as vampires. Horneaters see spren as gods, as do Singers kind of, and Alethi mostly see them as pretty mundane. Presenting evidence to an atheist that a Shard exists (a being that was once human, and can still be killed and captured by humans) still allows for a variety of different conclusions. TBH it would not surprise me if Hoid was an atheist given how low of an opinion he has of the Shards. No secular state in the world contains the codes of the religion as divine law, and some prohibit discrimination on that basis. It's possible to have freedom of religion, for example, but also ban homophobic, racist or sexist discrimination in the workplace even if a given reading encouraged by a religious denomination encouraged discriminatory attitudes. Just because gay people teach in schools doesn't mean more fundamentalist denominations are being criminalised. On that line of reasoning it's perfectly reasonable, IMO, for there to be a freedom to worship Trell and a rejection of Trell's followers extinguishing the religious freedoms of others by rebelling on Scadrial. The freedom to worship to Trell, and the freedom to oppress Survivorists or Pathists is not the same thing.