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  1. We do know that Honor's death was a protracted event just like Preservation. And we also know that shortly after his death he splintered himself. This happened shortly after the Recreance. We know that the shattering of the Plains happened after the Recreance. We know from Kaladin's dream, that something struck the center of the plains and caused a symmetrical shattering outward from that spot. We know that spot was Stormseat. Either something struck that spot as they say. Or a massive amount of energy/investiture exploded from that spot. Any more thoughts on this theory?
  2. Here is my theory that Tien was speaking with the Sleepless, why the Sleepless would be talking to Tien, and what that could possibly mean in the future for the Sleepless and the Radiants.
  3. This was really awesome. Here is something additional to think about. The Shattered Plains was originally envisioned as existing on the world of Yolen, Hoid's homeworld and the site of the Shattering of Adonalsium, until Brandon moved it to Roshar in the redrafting of the Way of Kings. (See Way of Kings Annotations for reference) If Brandon's original idea was that the Shattered Plains was the exact location that Adonalsium was shattered, it might stand to reason that the story remains the same, just on a different planet. I would say it is likely that whether in the Spiritual, Cognitive, or Physical realm, Honor was shattered at the location of the Shattered Plains.
  4. Id be honored to do so.
  5. I am a of three. So lonely.
  6. So, The Song of Wars is one of the songs detailing the oral history of the listeners, detailing the history of listener wars. It mentions that it was not listener gods who made the Shattered Plains “They blame our people For the loss of that land The city that once covered it Did range the Eastern strand. The power made known in the tomes of our clan Our gods were not who shattered these plains. ” —55th stanza We know that the listener gods are the Fuzed/Unmade/Odium. If this account is true then they did not cause the shattered plains to shatter. So who did? I believe it was Honor who willingly allowed himself to be killed, thus shattering the plains. I do love the line "We killed you! WE KILLED YOU!" but to me, it just goes to show that even Odium didn't know what really happened when Honor was "killed."
  7. Not sure if this has been discussed before. Here are a couple of thoughts I have regarding Honor and his death. 1. Is it possible that Odium didn't directly kill Honor, but rather, Honor allowed himself to be killed because he knew it needed to happen for the greater good? (Think Obi-wan Kenobi vs. Darth Vader) If yes, why? 2. I believe that Honor's death happened right on the spot that the shattered plains....shattered. We don't know what caused it to branch out and create chasms of symmetrical proportions but the shattering of a shard just might do that. Thoughts?
  8. Cognitive Shadows is exactly where I wanted to go to next. Again, go back to the original post of why Tien was talking with the Sleepless. If in fact, they were "recruiting" Tien, their overall objective doesn't just lay on Roshar. It's obvious, this immortal world-hopping race has a larger plot to play. As I mentioned, they are watching the Radiants to find out who can wield the Dawnshards. The Dawnshards can obviously destroy worlds and Gods. But is it possible they can do the opposite as well? But I digress, The Sleepless need to recruit those who will be able to join them worlds and worlds away, without being connected to the world they reside on. It is possible that Tien going through the process of dying started him on this journey. This may be what Gavilar is talking to Nale and Kalak about in the prologue of the next book. So I am fully supportive of Tien being still alive, Tien being dead, or anything in between that's not what intrigues me. It's the Sleepless talking to Tien and the why behind that. Tien talking to cremlings because he was a soft, sweet, gentle, boy is exactly what Brandon would want you to think especially if it was a big plot point. What we do have is Brandon saying watch anytime that a cremling is mentioned because the Sleepless may be involved. We have no other evidence that Tien talked to any other creature due to him being a gentle sweet boy. And we have Hoid talking to a cremling (a confirmed hordeling from the Sleepless) waiting for Jasnah. There is actually far more evidence that the Sleepless was talking to Tien than there is that he was just nice and not cut out for war and that's why he was talking to the cremling.
  9. it IS a good point. Also, if Mistborn Era 4 is going to be Brandon's final storyline and the sleepless "play a major part" in the story, then what they are doing now is setting up something major later on, on Scadrial.
  10. People thought the same thing about Kelsier not being dead. Yet there was a bigger Why happening that needed Kelsier to be alive. And it certainly didn't diminish the effect it had on Vin and the crew. The ultimate question isn't whether Tien is alive or not. It is why was Tien talking to the Sleepless. The answer to that drives whether he is alive or not, how the dawnshards play into the plot, why will the Sleepless worldhop, etc...
  11. Thank you for saying it is not impossible. I respect the opinion that you have that it is highly improbable too. And by all accounts, it IS highly improbable as we have all been following Kaladin and his journey. But, again, unless there is a bigger Why at stake then this is just a cool unlikely theory. But for me, it all goes back to Brandon pointing out that Tien talked to cremlings, something only Hoid has done on purpose. It is also very possible that Tien was approached by the Sleepless and he said no to them.
  12. So that goes back again to the why. I wrote about Kaladin and his broken nature. The Nahel bond works when there are broken people to be reforged. Depending on why Tien wasn't killed or faked his death, could cause Kaladin's cracks in his soul to ultimately widen and destroy him. It cant be assumed that if Tien is alive and comes back that it fixes everything. The only way Tien could not be dead would be because there was a greater "universe-in-peril" need in play. That's where dawnshards come in. Worlds would end if their secret got revealed. That is very "universe-in-peril" kind of talk. The dawnshards can stop Odium but may also destroy everything. Who's to say that the Sleepless arent tracking down people who can wield them. Tien could have been one. We already know that the Sleepless will play a major part in Mistborn Era 4 so its possible they are trying to find pure people around the cosmere to handle the dawnshards.
  13. Way of Kings Chapter 44. That's a good one. I've thought about that. Yes, he did lay with him for hours. But one thing we have definitely seen in Brandons books is that what we see and read is not always reality. Shallan saw Jasnah run through with a sword, but we know what happened there. Lopen can grow an arm back and Dalinar can completely forget a wife's name. It is not far fetched an idea that Tien could have used Lightweaving or the Sleepless to fabricate his death
  14. Like I said. I hope for Kaladin's sake I am wrong, but until someone can prove otherwise...its a pretty compelling theory. BrantSucks is entitled to his opinion.
  15. Now for the Sleepless. A race created by Adonalsium himself. Protectors of the dawnshard. It is possible that the Scouring of Aimia occurred because the Unmade found out the dawnshard existed and was on Aimia and was a threat to their master Odium. The Sleepless appear to be guarding several secrets from humans, including something that Dalinar seeks but "must not know". The sleepless are watching Dalinar, Kaladin, Eshonai, Szeth, Venli and Shallan believing they are crucial to the survival of Roshar. They will kill anyone who tries to reach the shores of Aimia. We know that the Cook, who killed all the crew who tried to get to Aimia, would not reveal any secrets to Kaza even as she is dying, telling her that doing so could result in the "ends of worlds". We know that Dawnshards have resulted in the end of Ashyn already. So whatever the Sleepless are protecting and doing it is universe-in-peril level. Javi (paraphrased) I'm really curious about Aimia and I hope to see more about in the fourth book. Have the Heralds or Hoid been there and will they reveal some stuff about it? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, the Heralds have been there and yes, Hoid has been there. However, I don't think there will be info about Aimia in book four, but in a novella I'm planning to write, like Edgedancer. The story will be about some characters travelling to Aimia. Celcius232 (July 18, 2019) The Heralds, who cant die (except by the Vyre dagger) have been to Aimia. Hoid has also been there and has not been killed. Hoid most certainly know who the sleepless are and most likely what they are doing. Hoid has been confirmed to have been talking to the Sleepless... Questioner The Epilogue of Words of Radiance. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner Hoid makes particular note of a cremling. Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner Dysian? Brandon Sanderson Hehehehe. You're starting to learn! You're starting to learn. Questioner That epilogue just got so much-- Brandon Sanderson Yes, he was speaking to one of the Sleepless there. He has spotted them and they-- Questioner So, he knows. Brandon Sanderson Oh, he knows! Questioner Because he makes a comment about having “no intelligent audience.” Brandon Sanderson Yes, yes, yes. *laughter* Of course he doesn’t have an intelligent audience! Arcanum Unbounded Chicago signing (Dec. 6, 2016) The ONLY other person who has been caught talking to cremlings, to the point where Brandon goes out of his way to mention it....Tien. Something more is going on there, than just nice feelings.