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3 hours ago, R J said:
Enjoy the Shard
1 hour ago, Karger said:Welcome!
Thank you both, much appreciated.
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Everytime Szeth says "sword-nimi".
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The Skybreaker oaths are a bit contradictory for me. The 3rd ideal is to follow an someone else's law (making Dalinar both judge and jury), but to gain the forth you have to crusade, essentially following your own.
I know the truthwatchers are said to keep everyone honest though, so perhaps a court is something they would do.
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56 minutes ago, Blind Radiant said:
I’m not sure if your suggestion is something that would scare Kaladin to consider. Maybe he’s scared of the implication of having to choose who to protect and who he can’t save. Viewed that way, I can see how this could be very difficult for Kaladin to say. I still don’t think that’s it though.
I could definitely be wrong, and this is all speculation anyway. That’s why we’re on this thread, after all.
The way I imagined it was that he saw his friends on both sides killing each other, there was nothing he could do, he should have saved Elhokar and his son. When he couldn't do that he should have fled to save himself, instead he froze up not knowing what to do, blaming himself and would have likely let himself be killed.
The same goes in shadesmar. He couldn't get to Dalinar and he couldn't help his friends so he should have protected himself. Instead he again focused on who he couldn't help and would have been killed if not for the perpendicularity opening.
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52 minutes ago, Karger said:
We don't know that Ishar made the oaths.
True, but I do reckon its highly probable. Bonding men with oaths seems like it would be bondsmith heralds forte.
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17 minutes ago, first void said:
So she could just be growing in the way cultivation wants. Secondly, I am still not sure the food thing is a curse. I figure it could be cultivation's way of having her stunt her own growth or something.
I dont agree, if anything being malnourished would make her body age faster, she just wouldn't grown as fast. I think the night watchers boon and bane is based on Ashyn magic (possibly cultivations 1st magic system) where to gain something you have to lose something. In nature you cant grow from nothing, a plant needs nutrients usually in the form of something else dying to give them.
Unless the food thing was the boon in the sense that she was an urchin and always hungry, now shes still always hungry as she burns the food for stormlight, so that part of her has never changed. This is also a curse.
If you look at Dalinar and Teravangien, their gift and curses are one in the same. Dalinar wanted rid of the pain, this was done by removing the memory of his wife. T wanted to be smart and compassionate, he is, just not at the same time.
It's how I imagine Ashyn magic. Want to start fire with your mind? Great, heres a raging fever to go with it. Want to see the future? Sure thing, here are your cataracts so you cant see the present.
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2 hours ago, GoWibble said:
So the main thing that I see with this is that, like metalminds (which are different, I know), when you mix them together, you might not get something useable or what you wanted:
I dont think that applies in this case, mixing metals makes an alloy so a completely different metal. If you took stored copper and tin metal minds and melted them together (in the correct quantities) you would get a bronze one. You would lose anything stored in the separate metals but it would be able to then be filled by a sentry.
I think the merging of spren is a possibility but I would say not for two intelligent spen. As stated above, honor spren and wind spren I can see possible and say cultivation spren and life spren or a cryptic and creation spren.
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Just thought I'd say hello, I've been posting my nonsensical theories for around a week now. I'm from northern England and have terrible spelling and grammar
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Haven't been much of a reader since being a teen, then stumbled across Stormlight about 7 years ago and been hooked on all things cosmere ever since.
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5 hours ago, Darth_Hel said:
Didn't those not of Bridge 4 have trouble becoming squires until they actually joined Bridge 4? Maybe its a sense that the Radiant has claimed them as a squire and they've accepted it? So, Vatha didn't until Shallan decided to trust her group and treat them like trusted underlings, and Kaladin even if he's willing to train others only really sees Bridge 4 as his. It doesn't matter how long you're in Bridge 4 or if he even completely knows you, being in Bridge 4 is a major distinction to Kaladin. Skybreakers being the longest surviving group and most legalistic just happen to still know the rules to it and are able to do it the simplest way.
I agree and there must be a mechanism for the Radiant to end it also. If a windrunner squire has access to surges without oaths then they could use them how they pleased.
I'm going to say mutual trust and like mindedness.
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So for me the windrunners are like Paratroopers, dropping in where needed as the first assault team behind enemy lines and also scouting, gathering intel. They would also help out in small teams with other orders to protect, as we saw in one of dalinars visions.
I think that either edgedancers or sky breakers would maybe just beat them in numbers. The skybreakers are like a policing force, for the people and the knights so would need larger numbers spread out across Roshar. The edge dancers were like humanitarians being assigned in a groups to towns and citys around Roshar whilst also maintaining a presence at urithiru.
Without squires I'd go for this:
Skybreakers
Edgedancers
Windrunners
Stonewards
Lightweavers
Dustbringers
Truthwatchers
Elsecallers
Willshapers
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3 hours ago, Halyo_Alex said:
So, Lightshapers, Winddancers, Windshapers, Elsebreakers, you guys COULD technically have a single spren for your merged orders.
As to what this would do to the consciousness of the two spren, and what the actual method for merging them would be, I have no idea. Let's theorize that together!
If the theory of lesser spren creating shardplate is correct, could this be the method for it? A merging of say honorspren and windspren. This would take away most of the issues we've heard about locality.
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Instead, could Ishar have based the bondsmiths 4th ideal on the purpose and process behind Nohadons book, rather than its content. A way to guide people/ radients to be better versions of themselve using his own journey. Dalinars oath could simply be the writing of Oathbringer, instead of spoken words? This would be similar to the skybreaker oath of crusade.
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On 6/12/2020 at 8:57 PM, first void said:
It was said that lift asked to stay the same, or remain unchanged while things around her changed, or some variation of that theme. In the released draft chapter, she is growing and complains about not getting what she wanted. I think that cultivation would never grant someone to never change, as she is a shard of growth, and the story overall would not stand for a static character. Furthermore, the saying of the oaths requires some form of growth as a person. To get around this, Cultivation might have stopped her changing physically. This could explain the conversion of food, so she can stay the same size and weight. (of course, for that, her weight at the time of asking must have been indicative of some form of malnutrition.). This i think would be the boon, or boon in addition to curse.
The wording was more like to stay herself when everything around her went wrong. I cant remember seeing lift be scared or panic when anything goes wrong, shes in danger or near death, just stays her usual starvin' self.
The curse has to be the food to stormlight thing, for a knight radiant it would be a nightmare not to be able to just carry a big bag of infused gems, or breathe stormlight in from other peoples gemstones. In battle with the fused to have to stop for a sandwich could be problematic.
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3 hours ago, Requiem17 said:
I believe the first half of the ideal will be "I will protect the ones I can save" the second half which relates to Kaladin I don't have a firm opinion on. I'd be happy with people's guesses of forgiveness, trusting others, protecting himself, etc.
What about,
"I will protect only the ones I can save, even if the only one I can save is myself"
I think this would be perfect for Kaladin, it follows suit with the second part of Teft's 3rd ideal "even if the one I hate most is myself". The 2nd part of Tefts 4th then would have to be less personal, as was Kaladins 3rd "so long as it is right". Perhaps
"I will protect only the ones I can save, and accept when I cannot"
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3 hours ago, ConfusedCow said:
I've always wondered why Hoid, the Skybreakers, the Cryptics, the Ghostbloods, and Jasnah(maybe) were all interested in a minor destitute backwater Veden house led by a psychopath. Speculation, Lin Davar had something important. Something deeply invested, something twisted, something he doesn't entirely understand. My guess, Gavilar's little black sphere. Now where would you hide a little black magic sphere that everyones looking for? You could do worse than to wrap it in plain aluminum and hang it on the neck of the heavily guarded daughter you always keep close by.
This is speculation, not theory. Several times I've worked at fleshing this out to a full theory but I can't quite make the timeline line up. Shallan's mother dies the same month Gavilar does, Tanat 1167. That is a stunning coincidence and suggests a connection but it makes the whole story not quite fit. Gavilar dies, Szeth steals his gem, leaves it in Jah Keved, Lin finds it, the Cryptics send Pattern to bond Shallan, Shallan's mother notices, Shallan's mother contacts the skybreakers or the skybreakers find her, then they try to kill Shallan. Too much for one month. There's something I don't understand, about Shallan's mother perhaps. Also how is Lin using this gemstone to bargain with the Ghostbloods? Does it contain an unmade? Is he giving the Ghostbloods voidlight? Why are there two little black spheres? This theory has haunted me, it seems so close. Of course, he's angry she tried to trade her necklace for Jushu. No wonder Lin smiles when he sees her wear it. How fitting that she uses it kill him? Any ideas?
I think theres a good chance the black sphere contains Ba-Ado-Mishram, not sure if it was in the pendant. Maybe the pendant was to try and block patterns bond or at least hide it from the sky breakers.
Where have we seen aluminium so far? I can only think of the sheets hoid gave Azure, the necklace and night bloods sheath. Perhaps the necklace was giving to her father by the ghost bloods as they knew she had begun the bond. Could they know they had to keep her alive for the role she was to play in the desolation and their plans?
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3 hours ago, aneonfoxtribute said:
Another that I've thought of for a while is that our main ten will take over for the Heralds and make a new Oathpact and that will cause the timeskip, though in the case of Taln and Ash obviously they would just be keeping their roles
I agree but dont think it will be the main 10. I think that Gavilar was set to take Jezrien's place if not already in the process.
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For a dustbringer I think lightning/electricity can be a possibility. Using abrasion to create friction in the air, creating an electric charge or increasing the friction in their body to create a static electric charge.
If they increase the friction of water or themselves enough, could they walk on water?
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What about something like this for the 4th?
"I will see others learn from my mistakes but allow them to make their own"
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"I will see others learn from my mistakes, and guide them to unity"
He cant force people to unite, only guide them to it.
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8 hours ago, Karger said:
The strange creatures an roshar are created for their environment.
Agreed. The strangest for me is the ryshadium who dont fit the environment or fully fit with the animals of Shinovar. If they could be, the alethi would have bred them I'd suspect. That's leads me to think that they dont age, more spren than horse, converting food to stormlight like lift does.
I also think that the 3 bondsmiths will act as lieutenants in charge of 3 orders each.
Stormfather/honor/forces: commanding windrunners, sky breakers and dust bringers.
Their qualities are all related to being honorable(leading, protecting, just, confident, brave, obedient). The essences are all natural forces; zephyr(wind), vapour(water cycle), spark(lightening).
(On a side note, could dust bringers create lightening using air friction?)
Nightwatcher?/cultivation/living nature: commanding edgedancers, truthwatchers, lightweavers.
Their qualities are related to growth (loving, healing, learning, giving, creating, honest). The essences are living nature except lucentia I think, unless you take it as the sun light for growth, the other two are pulp and blood.
The Sibling?/both shards/non living nature: elsecallers, willshapers, stoneware.
Their qualities are related to stoicism (wise, careful, resolute, builder, dependable, resorceful). The essences are non living nature. Tallow(oil), foil(metal), talus(stone or bone).
I think that each joint surge or bonding speciality could be shared as the main surges are. So we have for honor, non living nature and natural forces. Cultivation has natural forces and living nature. The sibling is living and non living nature.
Excuse my terrible grammar, I am but a lowly electrician.
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47 minutes ago, Karger said:
Ulim got out before Taln broke. Nale though summoning some voidspren was fairly normal for parshe forces even between desolations.
Nightform does not seem to require voidlight and it would certainly give an edge.
22 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:we've never seen Nighform before, what make you think that?
Nightform predicting what will be,
As the gods did leave, the nightform whispered.
A new storm will come, someday to break.
A new storm a new world to make.
A new storm a new path to take, the nightform listens.[1Think that's all we have on it so far, sounds like a form of future sight. I could see how the second line would suggest it worked while the gods were on braize. Cant see how any future sight would work without investiture.
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2 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:
that investiture is presumably the same though. its just coming from different sources.
its False because Oduim's forces weren't actually coming back from Braize(like they would be if it was an actual Desolation)
it was just a unmade that figured out how to supply forms of power & voidlight(which is normally not around between desolation. i think?) and everyone thought it was a Desolation because of the Voidlight and forms of power.
That's my point, between desolations the singers had no void light to power their surges with odium and the fused confined to braize. For them then to continue fighting with humans and radiants would be suicide.
That's why I'm curious as to what the singers did between the desolations. Cant wait for RoW, hopefully we will learn more about Rosharan history.
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26 minutes ago, Karger said:
It does.
If Ba-Ado-Mishram stuck around then so could a lot of lessor voidspren. Those are all you need for a regular form of power(well that and a highstorm).
23 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:it is. but the false desolation was just that. False.
it was still a time between Desolations when Odiums forces were on Braize and the parsh were still fighting(albeit with forms of power)
A form of power would be similar to war form without voidlight though, as a radient is without stormlight. The false desolation was false because it was only forms of power with investiture from Ba-Ado-Mishram not odium. That's if i havent misunderstood it completely.
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22 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:
I presumed this was referring to the false desolation when Ba-Ado-Mishram supplied the voidlight. Could be wrong though.
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4 minutes ago, Karger said:
Easier said then done.
Not really. Even without the fused you have to worry about forms of power. Also if you attack to hard then your defense is going to suffer considering that human civilization was almost gone every desoltion most radiant resources would probably have been spent keeping things from collapsing more and rebuilding them.
Did they have access to voidlight with the voidbringers banished though, as far as I can see it was only the last desolation where Ba-Ado-Mishram figured out how to supply voidlight without odium and the fused.
I agree about civilisation and resources though, possibly the same for the singers aswell as guilt when not under the influence of odium.
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[OB] Fourth Windrunner Ideal
in Stormlight Archive
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There will be times when he realistically cant save either and must save himself. The stonewards have the honor of self sacrifice and a tendency of fighting losing battles. Windrunners are leaders, you cannot lead if your dead.