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  1. It needs to be noted that during pretty much all of Dalinars atrocities, he was under the influence of the thrill. Sadeas on the other hand, he calculated, plotted and schemed. He had no problem sending men to die needlessly. None of this was in the heat of battle, under the influence of an unmade and not in control. That was all extra 


  2. Rather than being due to the magic system, is there a link between becoming a cognitive shadow and going crazy? The heralds, the fused and shards that have the vessel killed all lose their minds. Warbreaker spoilers


    Given enough time I think it applies to the returned. Look at the 5 scholars, only vasher seems relatively stable. Of the returned its hard to say, from what lightsong was going through, and the uncaring nature of most of them, it could apply. I don't think the returned stay around long enough for it to happen fully though.



  3. 11 minutes ago, beewall said:

    Ahhhhh ok, thanks. I knew Nale and the person assumed to be Kalak, and knew Jezrien was probably there as the beggar, but I hadn't seen that about Shalash (but rereading the tWoK prologue, I do see the mention of Shalash's statue being destroyed), and hadn't heard the theories about Liss (from what I can find on the Shard and Reddit, it looks like this does have some evidence but not conclusive?).

    Not conclusive put it does seem very likely. I think that we're going to discover all of them, excluding Taln, in Kohlinar that night.


  4. 36 minutes ago, RShara said:

    I'm pretty sure Devotion and Dominion were working together, too. Otherwise, why would they settle on the same planet?

    Ruin and Preservation didnt work together, not in the end anyway. The vessels of Honor and Cultivation were a couple, possibly with child. I think their bond would be stronger than any other cohabiting shards.

    I'm clinging on for dear life on the this theory, I havent got many straws left to grasp at :lol:


  5. 22 minutes ago, GriffinMaze said:

    I think you are missing my point a bit. I don't think the Truthwatchers are secretive. I think that in-text description is a bad description of their order and the following recently provided by Brandon is probably more accurate and fits Sigzil very well



    I will seek truth

    the Truthwatchers tend to be those who hold the knowledge and secrets of Surgebinding and are the ones to discover many of the newer advances in things like fabrial technology.


    Sigzil is rather reserved among Bridge Four. Sigzil was VERY scientific about how he wanted to investigate Kaladin's powers. Sigzil has shown no real inclination to personal truths (lightweaver) nor has he ever seemed to care much about personal perfection (elsecaller)

    Consider me converted.

    I also think rock would make a good edgedancer, and the thought of a man of his size sliding around would be great! He and lift would also make the most dynamic and comedic team. Her calling wyndle a voidbringer and giving him grief. Him bowing and respecting/worshipping his spren.

    At a distant second place I'd say willshaper


  6. The timelines are strange at the assassination. So in the new prologue, Navani finds the meeting just after the guests have arrived, Eshonai finds him in the same room with different people after that. Jasnah finds Gavilar and Amaram in the hallway speaking. Then after sees Nale and Kalak in a different hallway just as the screaming starts but presumably they left after Navani saw them.

    The assassination probably deserves it's own theory thread but at the minute it looks like there were at least 5 heralds in Kohlinar that night. Gavilar playing 2, possibly more groups. It wouldn't surprise me if he had links to the ghost bloods and the diagram aswell.


  7. 3 minutes ago, RShara said:

    He didn't need to Invest in order to Splinter Devotion, Dominion, or Ambition. So I can't think of a really good reason why he'd need to Invest in Ashyn to Splinter Honor and Cultivatin, esp, since they weren't even nearly as invested on Ashyn as they were on Roshar.

    I think the investing would have been done when first arriving on or preparing to go to Roshar. As far as we know, the other shards he splintered weren't working together like Honor and Cultivation are/did, hence the risk he would need to take. They were a couple after all.


  8. 1 minute ago, GriffinMaze said:

    I do not believe that is an accurate statement. 


    "The Ideals of the Order of Truthwatchers all focus on seeking and sharing truth, as well as making sure it is not improperly exploited. However, unlike the Lightweavers, who pursue personal truths, the Truthwatchers are concerned more with uncovering the greater secrets of the universe"

    I do agree with that, but to be a world singer you have to actually "sing" about the world, not keep quite about it. I dont think hes secretive, I think he was like all bridgemen not watching to talk about their past.

    Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation; and in the case of Corberon's disagreements, their silence was not a sign of exceeding abundance of disdain, but rather an exceeding abundance of tact.

    I agree that lightweaver is a far stretch, it was more based on his relationship with hoid than his personality. I think elsecaller would be a solid bet though.

  9. 15 minutes ago, RShara said:

    I don't think that they would have been bonded to Splinters of Odium. We know that Odium doesn't like to invest or to create Splinters, and only did so on Roshar because he's trapped. So I think it's unlikely he would have given the Heralds his power.

    I did consider that at first, but the more I thought about his chance of splintering a shard power couple the more I thought he'd have to take risks. He needed to make them over invest themselves to make his move, what better way than a war to save their chosen planet and people. Honor and Cultivation were already heavily invested in Roshar, if not Ashyn aswell. Odium just needed them to go that extra mile.


  10. 27 minutes ago, GriffinMaze said:

    Any guesses about Sigzil? Truthwatcher seems pretty reasonable/natural to me

    I dont think truthwatcher, they're said to be secretive and not talk or write about what they do, Sigzil was an apprentice world singer.

    Got to be lightweaver/ elsecaller. He was Hoids apprentice after all. Either lightweaving for the storytelling (even though he disagrees with the notion). Elsecaller to study and world sing about the only citys yet unknown to him, in shadesmar. Maybe even abit of world hopping for good measure. 

    I hope we see a flashback or reunion in an interlude or something.


  11. I theorized on a post in another thread about the Heralds, Odium and the unmade. Basically I think that originally they were heralds of odium, excluding Taln, bonded to splinters of odium. In Oathbringer during a Dalinar flashback when hes drinking with Jezrien, hes asked which of the unmade are in his head. Following this Jezrien speaks these words, 

    "We let them in. We attracted them, befriended them, took them out to dance and courted them. It is our fault." 

    These bonds were then broken or "unmade" to seek Honor thus creating the unmade we currently see.

    When the Helalds took up their powers and the oathpact, we know that Honor made the blades. Was it cultivation who granted to power to bind the fused to Braize?

    Uncertain for Taln yet but the 10 Heralds have become the 10 fools, was this a boon and bane deal from Culltivation? Before they broke the oathpact they were all tired and scared but no indication of being crazy. So the boon was the power to trap the fused. The curse to either be tortured physically on braize, or mentally on Roshar.

    Alternatively, the heralds becoming the 10 fools is an inherent trait of Honor, from the amount of his investiture (possibly a little intent included) given to them. Honor can be both good and foolish, it can be what's right and just, it can be an excuse for your own misguided sense of pride and longing for unequivocal respect. The idea of following your oath no matter the cost, even if circumstances change, is rather foolish. Plus towards the end its said to be all honor himself was interested in.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 3, and your own crazy theories on the subject.


  12. 1 hour ago, galendo said:


    (I'm also partial to my personal theory that Nightblood's origin accounts for one of the missing Godspren/Unmade; but even I have to admit that the theory, no matter how elegant, is unfortunately probably incorrect.  Though if I were writing SA, that would totally be the explanation I went with.)

    I think that Nightblood was made using Larkin bones. 

    Warbreaker spoilers:


    Sure I remember in warbreaker it was mentioned shashara used tricks like encasing bones in steel to make her creations. Larkin bones would make sense as it's the only creature we know of that consumes investiture.



  13. To contradict my last post completely, what if honors perpendicularity is in solid form like we've seen on another cosmere planet. There are quite alot of mentions of the strata in Urithiru and the wind blades in Kohlinar. Either this is commonplace in all the stone in Roshar, or the blades were made from the rock removed from the mountain to create Urithiru. Eitherway the strata could be condensed investiture. The perpendicularity moving around the planets rock formations. Jasnah didnt surface in a pool, so being Roshar, she would have come through stone. 


  14. A couple of days ago I would have been onboard with this theory, been thinking of something else though.

    We know that Taln was the herald that shouldn't have been. What if originaly the other 9 were heralds of Odium, he made 9 splinters which they bonded. They broke or "unmade" these bonds to seek Honor. In one of Jezriens ramblings to Dalinar he talks about how it was their own fault. "We attracted them, befriended them, took them out to dance and courted them. It is our fault." He says this just after asking which unmade is in Dalinars head.


  15. So the location for building Urithiru was said to be closest to Honor. Could it have been the location of his perpendicularity? Perhaps the oathgates where built over it and the way the gates work could be to temporary move it back and forth for travel?


  16. What if it's another version of the girl who looked up about how the desolations started. Bare with me on this wildly speculative theory with no basis at all.

    Fleet could refer to the heralds, they left Shinovar to go far east with odium in their ear. They found powerful weapons belonging to the singers (dawnshards) and stole them. They realise what Odium wants, pre shattering weapons and to start a war to draw honor and cultivation out into the open. Odium then corrupts the singers offering revenge.

    The storm is the voidbringers and odium chasing them. They need to outrun it and get back to Shinovar, possibly crossing the sea to Amia. Along the way they die and become cognitive shadows with Honors help, which allows them to escape and hide the dawnshards.

    I know its wild and makes no sense, but i had to get it out or I wouldn't sleep tonight:lol:.


  17. 9 hours ago, WatcherofTruths said:

    It's interesting that even with Odium's characterization of anger, he seems to be all about pain. Odium could be anguish externalized, especially as he tries to get others to give up their pain. Maybe he never accepted that his shard was pain, and so instead he chose hatred. Would parallel nicely with Moash's storyline as well.

    From how he speaks I'd say Odium Is more akin to catharsis.


  18. 6 hours ago, Karger said:

    Instead he did not save anyone.  Making a choice was far more important then making what might have been the right choice.

    You've just said in one post what I have tried to say in about 10.

    Just to add, in not choosing or accepting that he couldn't save everyone, he also nearly got himself killed.


  19. 52 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said:

    Why not, though? Mistspren are sentient (or sapient, I can't remember which word is more accurate) but they're not Radiant spren. Would they be exempt from fusion?

    I think it would be impossible to fuse true spren together due to the level of Intelligence and individual personality. The lesser spren are pretty much just thoughts manifesting in the physical realm. Like a physical representation of the force or emotion they convey.

    I had the worlds worst analogy that I nearly posted, it was terrible and about computers :ph34r:


  20. 46 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

    Yet they are soldiers. You cannot protect your enemy.

    Yes they are soldiers, not kamikaze pilots. Knowing when to retreat and have to leave men behind to save the rest also comes with the job.

    I'm not saying he should protect his enemies, at the time he met them they weren't. They were run away slaves just as he had been once. It was only when he saw them killing his other friends they became enemies.

    That's not the point I'm getting at though. Like lirin said, you have to know when you cant save someone and concentrate on the one you can. In Kohlinar that would been leaving the wall gaurd behind and saving Elhokar, then when the king was being killed my Moah, save himself.

    The same in shadesmar. He should accept he cant help Dalinar and concentrate on protecting Shallon, Adolin and himself.