Mage_914

I was thinking about using Hemalurgy to alter someone's soul to allow them to collect and accumulate investiture via the spiritual realm. Basically, my thought process was since the soul is already in the spiritual realm then you could open a hole in the soul and then create a channel somehow from the soul into the physical realm similar to how allomancy works. This would probably take the form of a small perpendicularity of some kind.In this case however you are producing pure investiture. Boom, infinite God metal.

What do you mean by re-awakening?

Probably quietly vanish/kill them. They're separated from the population for the most part, so people might not even notice if they're gone, especially if the general population is given a story about how they gave up a breath to save a dying orphan or something. They're really less like gods and more like natural resources. The return can heal any plague or pandemic that comes at the kingdom. If an important person is close to death they can go to a returned and get healed. This also conveniently kills the returned. Not only does this give the priests enormous political capital, it also provides an easy excuse if a returned is threatening the priests power an needs to die.

Do we have a WOB on that? I ask because we know command breaking is a thing, we just never really get to see it happen as far as I'm aware. It could very well involve overwriting a previous command somehow.

I'm still convinced that Willshapers and Stonewards could use Cohesion to make the blades more flexible. This would open up a bunch of stuff ranging from razorwire traps to compliant mechanisms. The compliant mechanism thing is huge too because it give your shardblade moving parts without increasing the part count. You could create a working pair of pliers for instance. The razorwire thing also fits with Stormlights more anime style elements. Imagine a bunch of fused rushing a Willshaper in a butler outfit and surrounding him. Suddenly his hand twitches ever so slightly and all the fused heads fall off in slow motion. WE NEED IT!!!!!

Wisdom was stated as being something akin to prudence and as wanting simply to survive. The Shards that were revealed in RoW were Valor, Mercy, Invention and Whimsy. None of those sound like a Shard associated with caution, survival or prudence. Also Wisdom is in hiding. Harmony mentions that he can't contact some Shards because they don't want to be contacted. Kinda sounds like thats our guy.

Wisdom is all but confirmed at this point as per several WoBs. We know its intent just not it's actual name. As for the individuality bit, thats why I said this is one of the more controversial parts to the conversation around Dawnshards. I think perhaps Identity is a better word for what I was trying to say there. Identity is an essential spiritual aspect of the Cosmere and it fits with the pattern that I picked up on.

Yeah this was all pretty much confirmed at this point. In the Dawnshard novella it's straight up stated by the sleepless that the four Dawnshards were four godly commands that were used to Shatter Adonalsium. It's also heavily implied that each Dawnshard ripped off four pieces each (4x4=16) as per the mural where Rysn finds and becomes the Dawnshard. We can even speculate on the nature of each Dawnshard. Rysn hears a voice in her mind shouting CHANGE and subsequently becomes the Dawnshard of Change. We also see Kelsier hearing the word SURVIVE and subsequently survives an execution, a battle against an Inquisitor and even actual death. Dalinar hears the word UNITE and subsequently is able to unite the realms, literally creating a perpendicularity with his fists. As for how we categorize each shard under each dawnshard, thats were it gets more controversial. I think most people at this point feel that they split on Dawnshard lines, but many disagree about where those lines are. I categorize it like this. CHANGE Cultivation - Change through growth Ruin - Change through Destruction Endowment - Change through transfer Invention - Change through Creation SURVIVE Preservation - Survival through stasis Mercy - Survival through aid Valor - Survival through courage Wisdom - Survival through caution UNITY Honor - Unity through oaths Devotion - Unity through Love Dominion - Unity through Law Unknown Shard INDIVIDUALITY Autonomy - Individuality through Isolation Odium - Individuality through Emotion Ambition - Individuality through accomplishments Whimsy - Individuality through oddity There's obviously a lot of guesswork in there based off the shard names we already know which is why its kind of controversial. Anyway, good theory. I dig it.

Honestly at this point I'm not on either side. They're both being jerks and conquering planets. I'm on the side of First of the Sun. Also, where the heck are the Willshapers at? Their whole gig is freeing people from tyranny and meanwhile a Skybreaker is threatening to conquer a whole planet.

Why would it require a high heightening? Navani did it with some basic equipment and some vocal training. The only things required, it would seem, is the right tone and the right intent. Intent is easy and the tone is helped along by perfect pitch. Its literally the second power you get as you ascend the heightenings.

I was thinking that the Awakener could infuse the objects with normal breath like normal awakening, probably with some sort of advanced command for the breath to stay only in one part of the object until a command is given. Then do the same thing with the other side of the object but this time use perfect pitch to match the right tone and intent in order to make it anti-breath. The conversion would take place outside the body for obvious reasons. Then give the signal and the two breaths will then rush towards the center of the object, combine, and explode at the point of contact. This would turn the outside of the object into shrapnel. Boom, yin yang grenade. The two issues with this are the lack of vacuum and keeping the breath contained in only half and object but I feel those are problems that can be overcome. The separation of the parts is simply a matter of perception. Wax did something similar in a flashback involving steelpushing. By thinking of a bullet as one thing he pushed on the whole bullet. By thinking of the bullet as a casing, a primer, and a projectile, he was able to see multiple push lines. The same principle could be used here. The vacuum is necessary to separate the investiture from other sources that would hinder its conversion, but breath is already keyed to a person. Its not so much endowments investiture as it is the awakeners investiture. It could very easily be the case that separation is only necessary from investiture of the same source, which in this case would simply mean breathing it out. That last issue with the vacuum is admittedly the haziest but everything else here I'm fairly confident could work.

Good point on the use of perfect pitch. Thats actually kind of terrifying to think that at only the second heightening you effectively become a walking antimatter factory. The power level of awakening just went up a lot. Awakeners always have investiture on hand and they can infuse it into effectively any object fairly freely, being able to do everything from animate corpses to creating shardblades to altering memories. I'd guess that an Awakener with the right knowledge could grab a pebble off the ground, sing a few words over it at the right pitch and then make it explode like a hand grenade.

I like it, though I feel that the efficiency part of it doesn't make much sense. If he's using double Gravitation he should be using double stormlight, right? Then again surgebinding (or at least gravitation) is already sort of unlimited power-wise as you can always pump more stormlight into more lashings so maybe double bonds somehow effect efficiency like you theorize, but I have no idea how that would work realmatically.

I've long suspected that Willshapers amd Stonewards could use Cohesion to make their Shardblades flexible. This would open up the possiblities for Shard-razorwire Shard-whips or even compliant mechanisms, allowing you to make some really complex stuff. Transportation is also the Surge of Motion as well as realmatic transition so I could see a Willshaper controlling these construct remotely. Imagine Walter from Hellsing Ultimate. The dude had magic wire that he could control with his mind that cut buildings in half. I think thats what a Willshaper looks like at full potential.

I am totally open to new words here. I mentioned in the post that I don't like the word Distinguish either, but I couldn't think of a better one. As for the location of Unity I actually mentioned in the post that I think that the Unity Dawnshard is with the Stormfather. He probably either isn't entirely aware of it or is simply hiding the fact from Dalinar. Both would make a certain amount of sense. Weird stuff happens to spren's memories when they cross over to bond, although he was already presumably mostly in the Physical Realm so I imagine the effects were lessened. He could just straight up have forgotten about Dawnshards. I think the endgame here is to have Dalinar say the 5th Oath and have him bond strongly enough with the Stormfather that he becomes the both the new Vessel of Honor as well as the new Dawnshard of Unity. Someone mentioned somewhere on another thread that the timeline doesn't make sense for the Change Dawnshard to be responsible for the destruction of Ashyn. if humans came to Roshar after the destruction of Ashyn then how do the Horneaters have a cultural memory of it coming through the perpendicularity as was mentioned by Cord. I guess that could be a cultural memory passed down by the original refugees but that's a looooooong time ago and it felt like Cord was referencing her people guarding the Perpendicularity and seeing someone come through with the Dawnshard. This would place it sometime after the Horneaters started living on the Peaks which is after the destruction of Ashyn. As for the Unity Dawnshard, I agree that it was on Ashyn. I probably didn't do a good job of writing it out in the opening post (I was writing this at 8 AM after coming home from a long night shift and no sleep) but I feel like Honor had a Dawnshard but the agreement between Vessels was to not use them as it would upset the balance of power, probably similar to how the Vessels agreed to go and live on separate planets. I think he gave it to the humans on Ashyn for safekeeping and they used it to destroy the planet. They then traveled to Roshar, Ishar created the oathpact and the knights radiant and then handed Honor back his weapon when it became clear they needed a deterrent in the form of a Vessel duel-wielding a Shard and a Dawnshard, because that's exactly what Odium is doing.