Eternal Khol

im doing a character analysis of Dragonsteel Prime, like i have done for, Way of Kings Prime, Aether of Night, and Mythwalker in the past But i need help identifying who a couple of PoV's belong to. There were a few PoV’s I had a hard time placing as the narrator or a specific character For example: Chapter One’s first PoV of “The Lumbermans son was born into a world of magic" and the whole "narrator-y" exposition of Jericks early life that followed is the narrator correct? or is that a Jerick PoV? Then in Interlude one, between Frost and Topaz, there isnt really any internal dialogue or such presented from either of them to give any indication as to who’s PoV it is. Only “Frost said” and “Topaz said” but the interlude does end with a “narrator-y” paragraph. i cant tell if this is either a Frost or a Narrator PoV? Then in the middle of chapter 52, directly after Topaz does his healing/growth blast we get this PoV(This Is the whole PoV) Narrator right?(seems kind of obvious on this one, but i dont want to be wrong on my analysis)

Oh for sure, the Creation story shouldn't be taken as fact. I was just trying to pair any parts of it i could with anything Frost or anyone else said. Yeah, it def could be. I just never really considered them as Frost states that he cant do magic/Microkinesis. I just assumed the rest couldnt either... not a very good assumption though, i guess. PS. Frosty does say/think to himself though at one point that he has "never lied" and that seemed a truth, so i believe, that at the least, Frost himself cant do magic/Microkinesis

Oh yeah... her powers were gone at that point... I didnt even think of that lol Yeah, Im just theorizing off the fact that all three use Microkinesis and Hoid and probably Jerick have a Dawnshard so there powers would prob be diff than" normal" magic/Microkinesis(running on the hunch that there is a "normal" non-Dawnshard Microkinesis) It definitely seems it can be given/ taken away by them... humans apparently used to be magical then it was forbidden them "thousands" of years ago, Frost says. Its never said that the gods did that, but it had to either be "proto-Ado" or the gods themselves... I feel like all humans, like the "creation story" and Frost suggests/states, were/used to be magical/Microkinetic(i feel like most magic was Microkinesis back then?) and those past, magical humans are also who Frost might have been referring to when saying that "For many, that is the extent of their powers, you know?" Yeah, the tree does seem probable. Seemingly older/larger than the rest and constantly being struck by lightning but is fine... def outside of normal... i just wish there was some sort of scene that would have... made it clear

I dont think that one is an continuity error actually... Ryalla was right. Hoid was actually not capable of bending light. He could only "Scatter it" like a prism making a rainbow, and says that he couldn't even make his ring dissapear let alone himself(like how Ryalla uses her lightweaving to hide/dissapear) Its something ive kind of thought, in one form or another, for while, and was happy to see someone have the same though on reddit, just yesterday, but it seems like they could all do Microkinesis of some sort. Maybe Hoids and Jericks versions would be like Ryalla's but are "flavored" by the Dawnshards...? Fr! I wish we could ask Brandon! there are 1/2 questions i am dying to know... what was "the source of power" Doruse was talking about? I mean it obviously was a Dawnshard... but what item was it in? When did jerick have contact? And where did Ryalla get her magic??? Did Frost or one of The five do something to her at some point?... Aronack took it away... maybe he also gifted it to her for whatever reason?

I just remembered i forgot to post this last time, but there is something at the end that makes me think Ryalla was just a magic user and not a Dawnshard. Throughout the book Aronack tries to get Hoid to give him the Dawnshard.... apparently Aronack cant just take it from Hoid. It seems it has to be given? At least once being used by a person already Then at the end of the book when Ryalla is imitating Oreon/Aronack with her lightweaving, Oreon/Aronack himself shows up/speaks into Ryalla's mind and says that "you should not have imitated me" before making her lightweaving fail... but he didnt just make it fail, judging from Ryalla's second to last PoV, he actually took her power away as still hadnt gotten it back and muses on the idea if she ever would. So i dont think she was a Dawnshard since Aronack was able to just take her magic away. Im not an expert at all and might just be confusing myself here XD, but i didnt see anything wrong with jerick shooting lightning and Frost mentipning nuclear bonds?... maybe "nuclear bonds" wasnt the right term there? but the electromagnetism part seems right, to me. Axi are atoms right?, so sub-axi should also be protons, electrons, and neutrons(and by extension, quarks & leptons) Therefore in the "spontaneous bridge of negative sub-axi between two conductors" line, the "negative sub-axi" should be electrons(negatively charged) which are held in place by electromagnetism... right? The Strong Force is what holds the Protons and Neutrons in place

I think i found a one... or a couple, i guess. The country of "Aldbin"(named on the map and mentioned throughout the book) and one of the Nine Lords "Aldvin" seem to get mixed up a number of times throughout the book There is a number of times they seem to have used "Aldvin"(The Wise) when talking about "Aldbin" the country Here is a line from chapter 13 where "Aldbin" is mentioned correctly "Aldbin, directly south of Melerand, a land populated mostly by cattlemen and farmers. Here is one example from chapter 11 where "Aldbin" in incorrectly referred to as "Aldvin" "Aldvin has always been one of the most stable of the Middle Kingdoms"

I got the feels that Hoid and Jerick are the Dawnshards and Ryalla was... just a girl capable of doing magic? Apparently, all? Humans were capable of doing magic thousands of years ago, or Microkinesis, which i feel like all magic was/is called , but as Topaz said, he thinks that "Prohibition" is being rescinded, so for whatever reason Ryalla can do magic now. Thats my take anyhow Hoid and Jerick seem to be able to directly affect or change things... Causing Growth or Healing & Destruction/splitting things apart... Ryalla seems to only manipulate whats around her, albeit in some pretty powerful ways. Though, i guess that could just be due to having different Dawnshards/powers, but i never got that vibe.

Been waiting for everyone to be able to read/talk about this one! Tis one of my favorites! I love that everyone can finally meet meet and read all these characters but mostly my guy Bat'Chor! who is still canonically the closest thing Hoid has had to a best friend Theres a lot to unpack and talk about but a couple Cosmere relations/tidbits id like to specifically mention are that, first, i love that even back then Brandon had the Dragons as these amazing mythical beings that could receive/answer prayers! Just always thought it was such a cool element and i loved to see being used back then and even now!.... Second, Frost is for sure Drephrast right!?! The leader of the Dragons!? And third.... "The Father".... thats got to be proto-Adonalsium?! Its definitely worth a read and even though it is not canon, for those looking, i feel like the little nuggets or echoes of truth in it has helped better form the idea/story in my head of why in the Canon Cosmere, the Shattering happened Edit: B$ has also said that a coupe characters from Dragonsteel Prime were in Aether of Night... I wonder who it is Aether is supposed to be the first appearance of a Shard and Dragonsteel was supposed to be the story of the Shattering... so im assuming that some of the Dragonsteel characters eventually became the Shard(s) in Aether.... maybe Aronack was supposed to be Decay!???! It seems to fit with how Aronack was described in Dragonsteel and Decay in Aether

Conversely… Cultivation being affected by perception could be exactly why she made Nightwatcher to not be… because Cultivation knows what thats like. Shards also just seem so deelply integrated with… everything pretty much, that i wonder if it would be a good idea to cut herself off like that? It prob does just have to do with her liking the “spren of the world” title and leaning into it, but i like to think she cant help it anymore

Cognitive Shadows or Spren sure, there is some effect of human perception on them. Shards? Well there are WoB that say otherwise and one specific one talking about this with Honor. Brandon has said that Shards can be affected by human perception and has even said that if Honor were alive and made a physical body that it would automatically have weird double pupils because of how he was perceived… not because he wanted to dont see why the same thing couldnt happen with Cultivation… https://wob.coppermind.net/events/402/#e13420

Random late night thoughts before bed lol I think i just figured out why when in human form, Cultivation wears a dress that iirc is described as being made of twigs/dirt and merging with the ground… i always though she just did that to be very extra…. I mean, there is like no other reason, but i think its actually due to the general populace of Roshar perception of her. We know mortal perceptions can affect or shape Shards/Cognitive Shadows/Spren/etc…. According to Dalinar, and im going to assume its a pretty good portion of the Rosharan population outside of Alethkar, some pretty much think of Cultivation as Mother Earth or in this case “The Spren of the world itself”… And that…. is why Cultivations dress merges with the undergrowth… because of how she is perceived as the spirit of Roshar

I dont think Re-Shephir was made from Aethers or anything but Brandon has said that Midnight Essence is a Cosmere wide theme or phenomenon, like Lightweaving and other things. imo I think that is where their Connection lies and thats about it. They both arose from pre-existing natural pathways. But one disnt come from the other.

This is how i always interpreted it too.

I always thought stuff like changing age and what not was a implied Bondsmith power from the pretty early on? A spiritweb is for lack of better word, a “gathering” of Connections a person has to places, people, time, Shards, etc... I mean, its not too surprising when you have someone who has the ability to make/change Connection, and sooooo much of who someone is in the Cosmere is very directly constructed from their Spiritweb/Connections.

Ive been waiting to see what came of this theory

I always sort of thought of the Elantrians as kinda being like Aons themselves. Aon's glow because they are pure Investiure rushing through a hole to another Realm. Elantrians are sorts the same imo, but the power is being put into a Vessel instead empty space.

Ive had that though too that The Evil is some kind of Fain or corrupted Fain shadow or something like that and i definitely think its plausible. Brandon has even said that Fainlife has spread off of Yolen “in significant ways”…

So even after his Ashravans Soul/mind/whatever(too big a can of worms) went to The Beyond there shouldve still been his Spiritweb hanging around in the Spiritual Realm, which essentially denotes who someone is, what they can do and who/where they have Connected to and with and what they have gone through. Ashravans Spiritweb shouldve had a... "mark" because of the attack/his death and iirc Shais forgery just rewrote his Spiritweb so that he survived the attack. The Spiritweb is still there and they have his healed working body, the only other part they need is a "mind" which is what the Essence Mark essentially does/is with the help if Investiture. Also It was said(iirc) that after so long Ashravan might not need to be stamped anymore, and i think that is because after feeding a little source of Investiture(the Soulstamps Investiture) into an essentially empty vessel with a "program"(Ashravans Soulstamp/Essence Mark itself) over time some of the Investiture kinda stuck(like with a lifeless) and essentially gained its own sentience/sapience(?) based on Ashravan's Soul/Stamp

Random, possibly disjointed thought. If the Dawnshard gave Sig the ability to metabolize Investiture.... what if when he became the Dawnshard he somehow absorbed his Spren, which was also a part Sig's soul, as they were bonded, and instead of just letting him use the investiture for some power as we see in SP4... his Spren just kinda became part of him

My bad, i though i was replying to someone else. Had both of us backwards.

Ok, but Im confused at how that info from the uncanonical work means that the Sho Del, in the current canon Cosmere, are in the service of anybody. You can have a god and not be in their service. p.s. I kinda hope it is still the Dragons that are their "gods". Theyre really fascinating and if you think about it, I feel like the Dragons should be some of the most knowledable beings about pre-shattering lore and mechanics(probably post shattering too) and that, imo, they should be way more important in the Cosmere. I mean, they are functionally immortal and the very first one(s) Ado created could very well still be out there. Also, i just feel that, given theyre status, they should have had a pretty big part to play in some events before/leading up to the shattering, like they were obvi too knowlegable and maybe messed something up in the past(maybe they made Fain?) and thats why they decided not to intervene or share knowledge(Frost in both Dragonsteel Prime and Stormlight Epigraphs)

Hmm, i didnt get that vibe. All we got was a description of them and that they are goods guides due to having "a direct line to their gods" We dont know that they serve these "gods" just that they have a Conmection to them

"The most versatile substance on the planet, and they use it to make a frisbee" -Ultron

Thats what i took away from it too. I dont know if its quite as dramatic as "Discord taking over" it def could be, but i do think the fact that it wasn't there that time does indicate that it proably was "in" Sazed. I did get bad vibes from him there. In the last sentence, He doesnt even dismiss that he may one day become the villain.

I think that is a strong possibility for the future. I think she already is or will be one of Hoid's apprentices and thus, might get a novella or some