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That's specifically Hoid's anti memory tampering measures that activated, it would make sense that the machine tried to loop Hoid's memory like it does for yoki-hijo

Let's compare human stacking stone rituals with the Machine. There's 2 phase in the stacking stone ritual : 1. You stack stones in a mathematico-artistic way that attracts Spirits. 2. You bargain with Spirits to make temporary pseudo-fabrial. The Machine has a similar working except it needs energy to work/start 1. It stacks stones to attract Spirits 2. It converts Spirits into energy (presumably in the form of Hion) that can be used for a lot of different things 3. It uses this energy to power itself and if it had worked as intended its civilisation. The problem is Step 2 for the Machine as it's just an Investiture -> Energy conversion and there's no difference between converting a Spirit and converting a human soul.

We do not know enough about Aons but maybe drawing on an Aon resulting in a valid Aon is a possible way to change it's meaning and use. As an example Aon Tae center part is Aon Omi, if Aon Omi is used and and an Elantrian draw the outer part, can it become Aon Tae. The picture in TotES shows that there are many Aons we do not know, those kind of changes might offer a lot of possibilities for changes, especially on curses (Aon Shao) that needs a ton of sub-Aons

What we know is : 1. Aux is a dead Spren (Probably because Sigzil broke his oaths) 2. Sigzil is/was a Dawnshard Deadeyes only happen since the Recreance. Do we know what happened when a Knight Radiant broke their oath before that point? So if as a lot of people predicted, solving the Ba-Ado-Mishram problem restore "Spren death" to normal then the talking and shapeshifting might be the normal. Skipping doesn't seem like a Spren Surge. Transportation seems to mainly allow transfer between Physical and Cognitive. Skipping from what we've seen is Physical-Physical but from planets to planets. If I had to guess that's a Dawnshard ability. The Connection seems to be something he cannot do and Aux can do on their own. There's probably more behind it, but it doesn't seem unlikely that Aux is his present Stormlight Spren. (Given that he goes by Nomad and that's what Aux calls him, it's also not impossible that Auxiliary is not his Spren's real name)

Zas Elantris. Where does it fit in the timeline in reference to Hero of Ages? Since that's what most other things are referenced to. Brandon Sanderson Right. Elantris is far earlier. Zas Like thousands? Or like hundreds? Brandon Sanderson It's quite... It's not thousands. Orem signing (Sept. 22, 2012) I suppose from that answer that we're between 1000 and 2000. And that's like the only clue on the timeline of Elantris. It might not even be right anymore given that it's quite an old WoB. That's also a possibility, this would be similar or earlier than the "early hypothesis" in the timeline. It doesn't play into Lumar's position on the trail but it's also related to the timeline of the Iriali.

I am trying to determine what land is Lumar, with the use of WoBs and speculation on the public. Roshar is the 4th land and since Iri is a Silver kingdom, the Iriali arrived at least 2000 years before the events of Stormlight Archive. We know that Tress of the Emerald Sea occurs 300 years after the Iriali disappeared. Captain M How far apart on the timeline are the events of Tress of the Emerald Sea and Hoid's retelling of them? Could you give us positions of them relative to other Cosmere works? Brandon Sanderson He is telling this story within years or decades of the events, not within centuries. Where this is in the actual Cosmere timeline, I will leave you to figure out, because I think that will be fun to figure out as you are reading. Secret Project #1 Reveal and Livestream (March 8, 2022) So with a bit of a margin, let's say Hoid is telling the story 100 years after Tress of the Emerald Sea. Warbreaking You said that Hoid is telling the story to someone else, so which world is he on while telling it? Brandon Sanderson That's a RAFO. It's a good question, but we'll see if you can figure it out. I'm not gonna guarantee that it is... Robert Jordan would use the phrase "It is intuitively obvious to the casual observer." I will not guarantee that this will be intuitively obvious to the casual observer. It may be something that you can't figure out, I'm gonna have to decide exactly how much I want to say. There should be contextual clues that will at least give you solid theories. Secret Project #1 Reveal and Livestream (March 8, 2022) We are able to figure it out. We'll have more clues with the whole book, but to me that means Hoid isn't talking to an unknown. The listener is someone we know. So because this happens 400 years after the Iriali moved and they arrived on Roshar 2000+ years ago, this rules out Roshar. Because Era 2 happens at the same time and Era 1 is only 300 years prior, this rules out Scadrial. Because there is only several generations between Warbreaker and Stormlight Archives and the Manywar was only 300 years prior (Are all books 300 years after an event ?) it also cannot be anyone on Nalthis. Now we're left with the complicated ones. - Elantris happens long before Mistborn. If we suppose that Hoid is telling the story to a character from Elantris, and that when the Iriali's disappeared from Lumar they appeared on Roshar, we'd have at the minimum 2000(Roshar's arrival) - 400(Hoid telling the story) - 300(time difference between Mistborn Era 1 and Stormlight Archives) = 1300 years At the very least we'd need 1300 years between Elantris and Mistborn for Hoid to be able to tell anyone from Sel. That number is higher if we consider Emperor's Soul instead or that the Iriali arrived earlier than the latest possible moment on Roshar. I feel like there's not enough wiggle room here but it could work. Anyway if it is the case Lumar is the 3rd Land just before Roshar as there's not a lot of room for another one. That's the less likely possible option in my eyes. However I have a straw grasping theory about Sel, we'll come back to it later. - White Sand is earlier than Elantris so there's more it fits better with the timeline. There's no real indication of how long ago it is. The most probable bet would be a pre-worldhopping Khriss as a listener and Hoid telling this story in a way to incite her to start her worldhopping voyage. Lumar could be 2nd or 3rd Land, this mostly depends on the difference in time between White Sand and Stormlight Archives, which as far as I know is not fully decided yet but would be in the thousands of years. - Sixth of the Dusk is the latest story in the timeline, and the only one occurring after Era 2, this would make Lumar a land after the 4th and the story of Tress of the Emerald Sea happening very late. I don't think it is likely that this story happens during the Space Age of the Cosmere. However we've seen that some backwater world isolated from the rest of the Cosmere may be late to the space race, plus the Aether Moon grid is probably effective at keeping people in and keeping intruders out. The story may draw parallels between the isolated island in the sea where people can't leave but can be visited and the isolated First of the Sun where people can't travel space but are visited by space-faring civilisations. In this situation this might be either the 5th or 6th Land. I'd be tempted to say it is their 6th Land because it is late in the Cosmere timeline but I feel like the end of the Long Trail and reaching the 7th Land is an important event that we'll see directly and not hear about from 300 years into the future. Now the straws and the grasping : It is based on observations and a lot of "no evidence" but I don't see anything against. When the Iriali, disappeared they all vanished at the same time, leaving no-one behind except a ghost island. Given the presence of the cup, it's unclear if they brought anything with them. So they all seemed to be in the same place but what would happen when they leave Roshar. Presumably everyone would disappear at the same time. It's unclear how big of an island the Iriali had but it's probably smaller than their country on Roshar. When they disappear there'll be a ghost country, no-one left except maybe a few travellers. Travel and communications are getting more and more advanced on Roshar so that'll be noticed quickly. but what if there wasn't that many people and the technology was more ancient, can the disappearance of a people be unnoticed for so long that nobody remember them? Yes, my straw-grasping theory is that the Iriali are the first Elantrians, they built Elantris when Aona and Skai were alive. They moved away when Odium splintered Devotion and Dominion. All disappearing at the same time leaving an empty city that stays empty until another people arrive. To note Iri and Ali would both works as Aons, we don't have their meaning but we know we don't have all of the Aons in the Ars Arcanum. Another point is that except the boat Sprens in Shadesmar, the Elantrians and the Iriali are the only people described as having Metallic skins, Iriali as Gold and Elantrians as Silver, now I'm reaching but Elantrians being the 2nd Silver version to the 1st Gold version lend itself well in a medal reference of sort. This would also fit well as a not really human ancestry depending on your definition. This would makes Sel the 1st Land. Thanks for reading me. Don't hesitate to share your thoughts!

Seons are the closest things to Spren off-Roshar and knowing that Sprens look differently in Shadesmar this caused those kind of questions : However Ala looked as a Seon on Elantris while in Shadesmar. Why ? The simplest explanation would be that those WoB are no longer true but I find this unlikely. We do have a precedent for Spren appearing in their cognitive form in the Physical Realm, I suppose then that the contrary is possible and we've seen Seon in their physical form in the Cognitive Realm and their cognitive form is still a mystery. Shallan didn't do anything particular when going into Shadesmar so either Ala has been modified to stay in physical form when transferring to the Cognitive Realm, and this might be a clue to the "How to get bound being out of their system?" question, or the box is responsible for keeping Ala in physical form. I tried to identify the metal but we have no infos on it except that it's smooth. However Shallan do remember seeing a similar box in her childhood so it could be important. So what do you think of Ala's being in physical form ? Any other possibilities I missed ?

Preservation and as such Harmony has the best Foresight we've seen. If Cultivation's interaction with the Diagram makes the future harder to predict that difficulty, to Harmony, would be proof that something is happening. It is the perfect situation to send a spy. This would be very similar to Hoid's Fortune in that Harmony would know he needs a spy there but not why.

Feruchemy can store a specific attribute for each metal, what would happen if the metal is changed while it is charged ? First there is 3 methods I can think of to change the metal : - Soulcasting : this is unrealistic because Investiture resist Investiture. As such a charged metalmind would be near-impossible to change (more probably require an immense quantity of investiture) - Forgery : same thing than Soulcasting, Investiture will resist - Nuclear transmutation : this is the modification of an atom into another by adding/removing protons and neutrons. Currently no worlds have reached a scientific level where this is a possibility but this will be possible in Era 4 and maybe discovered in Era 3. By nuclear transmutation it will at least be possible to change a base metal into another, alloys on the other hand will be more complicated. Now let's suppose we have a Zinc metalmind and we transmute it to Copper (1 less proton only). For simplicity we'll use an unkeyed metalmind. So the question is what happens to the mental speed stored ? - the charge disappear in the process and is released as raw investiture. - the charge is accessible to be tapped by a Zinc Feruchemist but he can't store any new mental speed. A Copper Feruchemist could use it to store/tap memories. - a Copper Feruchemist can tap but not store mental speed, and store/tap memories as usual. - the metalmind still consider itself Zinc on the Cognitive side and fully behaves like a Zincmind. This will change with time but will be very slow, at some point we may end in one of the other outcomes. - the mental speed is converted to memories and behaves like a normal Coppermind. Ok this might be a bit weird with my example, but in reverse it could be used to encrypt memories. I have no way to tell which of those outcomes is the most likely. Most of them however would not be worth realising the transmutation, their uses would mostly be limited to hiding what kind of feruchemist the user is. The conversion outcome can be more interesting depending on the conversion rates between the metals but it is unlikely to be worth the transmutation if it is as hard to do on Scadrial as it is for us. What are your thoughts on the question ?

So we're going for a single bead for a sea and as such there is not enough beads in the sea to hide the ground. Would that mean that Shadesmar ground is really malleable and is lowered by the "weight" of the beads in other areas ? Else why would the ground be lower in Shadesmar's ocean ?

Land and Sea are inverted on Shadesmar, each thing on land has its corresponding bead in Shadesmar and land correspond to the sea. That's just what we've seen but do we knowwhy water bodies are landmasses in Shadesmar ? So if anyone has any answers to it I'm interested. I have a few hypothesis but no proof to go in any directions. Is this because they are perceived as a single entity and as such represented by a single bead whose size is negligible compared to its physical size ? In such case why would it be replaced by some land and not a lack of beads ? Is it a propriety of Water ? Is there no water beads, is this why it is Blood and not Water Soulcasting ? In any cases what would there be in Shadesmar at the corresponding location of a known underground lake ?

Nightblood, as far as I understood him, doesn't have the ability to determine good/evil, he wants to destroy evil but needs an user to find what is evil. A trick he found is that people who wants to use him, as he is a weapon, wants to hurt people and as such are evil.

I have an idea on this subject that stems from Ati, he's interpretation of Ruin as change made Ruin be more like entropy than pure destruction. The shard person has some degree of control over its Intent. As such I perceive Odium the shard as Hate but Rayse Interpretation as Passion which makes Odium not be Passion but still more than just hate. The Unmade at least are very reminiscent of the Seven Sins.

I found a WOB that say he had romantic interests, so there is definitely the possibility : Question Also a weird question, has Hoid ever had a romantic interest? Brandon Sanderson Hoid has had romantic interest in the past. Paris signing (Oct. 22, 2016) However Hoid is definitely not a "standard" human anymore : Questioner (paraphrased) Is Hoid human? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Hoid was human a long time ago. Now... it's complicated. We would call him human, and so will pretty much everyone else, but he is not exactly that. Words of Radiance Chicago signing (March 22, 2014) He might be considered his own species. And I don't know how much biology is applicable here but it's possible that he's changed enough that he's not compatible with humans. Which would make him sterile for the purpose of your question.

I don't think it is "impossible" for a returned to be re-returned, but it would fully depend on Endowment's will, as he would be able to give them a new Divine Breath. That said, all "resurrections" in the Cosmere have to happen just after the death, so no coming back for Lightsong.