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Ohhh... The Fused when they talked about, they were wary of radiants who have sworn the fourth oath. And by now it seems the only "main character" who stays in the city will be Kaladin... => He's going to swear his fourth ideal when the city gets attacked, he will sacrifice someone and that will enable him to save the city? Something like that ~ Suddenly with a freaking shardplate he can mow them down. Although, now that I think about it, Windrunners do not profit at much from the shardplate as (potentially) other orders because they lose the ability to maneuver. Still... that's how I envision it to go down.

I presume that the different orders all have their own commander. But I really hope for the Edgedancers that Lift is their CaptainCommander! ^^

Totally shiny *nods approvingly* Sadly they "ended" it with the movie, there is no second season coming, ever ;( I love your comparison between River and baby yoda

This show reminds me so much of Firefly.. I like it a lot, imho the Mandalorian is way better than the last three actual SW-movies, and it hurts to say that.

So I think most people here are in agreement that he can only swear the ideal if he is willing to "give up" a person's life and is not actively trying to save the person. That leads us to the question: Which person is dying (or in mortal danger) at the time Kaladin swears his 4th oath? I think a member of his family would make is oath super powerful.... but it also seems so very unlikely that he is "strong enough" to do it in that case.

Consider my mind blown. Very well done. Now I feel stupid for failing to realize that myself. It explains perfectly why it was impossible for him to swear those words in this situation, thank you. I always wondered "why he didn't just do it". Lives were in danger after all.

Yeah, that is a very good catch @ windrunner recording in Urithiru. Why I am sure that the fourth oath has something to do with "you cannot save them all, accept it and FORGIVE yourself" is that he wasn't able to swear the ideal when it really mattered. When - from his perspective - his own life, Dalinar's and also Shallan's & Adolin's life were in mortal danger. In that situation he wasn't able to swear it. So it has to be something profound. Something his entire mentality/personality rejects. And as you quoted and we have seen it countless times his insane (and irrational) behavior to try to save everyone and then blame himself afterwards if it didn't work. All those little kids he tried to save when he was squadleader, then later when he tried to save slaves, also when he was bridgeleader. It's a reoccurring theme and it's time Kaladin faces that life is harsh, unfair and without mercy. I also agree that someone very close to him must die, the sorrow and guilt will nearly crush him (especially compounded by his depression) and then he has an epiphany and viola.

When I read that I thought "oh, how cute, they made rooms only for spren to use. How thoughtful." Absurd idea or possible?

I ship lardin - she knows him since they were children and suggested the "get yourself a shardblade then we can marry"-thing. So I think they might fit together. He obviously liked back, something that apparently doesn't happen often according to Syl.

Honestly, Syl has more emotional intelligence than 90% of the people I know. She is a gem. And Kaladin should really build a little shrine for her, she deserves it.

mooooorrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hmm... it might be an unpopular opinion but I'd have preferred her to be "regular". For me it feels forced to give her an uncommon sexuality even though I admit that she did seem uninterested in romantic affairs so far, BUT that could have had 100 different (better) explanations. For example it must be pretty hard for a woman like Jasnah to find a worthy partner. Jasnah - as we have seens with Amaram - does not do "political marriage". So she'd have to marry out of love, and for her it must be really tough to find such a person. Not only because she's filthy rich and powerful - thus she can never know if her partner might not just be after her money/power - she's also extremely intelligent and I don't picture her as someone who could be in a relationship with someone who is not intellectually on par with her. So her being hetero but because of her ... complicated status/lifestyle/philosophy she is still hoping the find the right one. I'd have preferred that because my experience tells me that this is far more likely. But well, now she's asexual, it's not like Brandon will make a big deal out of it - I hope.

Well, better to make it way harder to actually lose it and not knowing if it is taken than making it easier to take away but knowing when it has been taken. /edit: Especially if you don't think that you could re-capture it anyway. How do you know?

How is hiding it under Urithiru better than dropping it randomly somewhere into the ocean? The aluminum-casing could also be used when you drop it into the ocean, but since they don't know about its relevance, you cannot use it in your argument how to hide it better. Cast into space, I highly doubt Kaladin can cast it outside of Roshar's gravitational pull, that means it would in short order crash down somewhere. Fair enough, maybe the unmade doesn't survive re-entry. But if heat and fire could kill it, they could have dropped it into a volcano.

But the ocean is gigantic. Even if somehow Odium knows that the gem was dropped somewhere into the ocean (I hope Dalinar gave it to Kaladin and even he wouldn't be able to find the place he dropped it down) that at least makes it incredibly tedious to re-find. What would the alternative be? Always in Dalinar's jacket pocket? Somewhere hidden in the tower? Somewhere hidden on the landmass of the continent? There is no foolproof spot, wherever you drop it, someone can retrieve it. And they didn't feel to take the chance to try to destroy it, a decision I can understand.

Honestly, when I head it my reaction was "very prudent". Where could they possibly have hidden that gem where it would be more secure than somewhere on the bottom of an ocean?

Okay, my interpretation: There seems to be another Unmade trapped in a perfect gem. And that gem is somewhere located/kept safe in Lasting Integrity? Furthermore if she "frees her own spirit" - I assume that is referring to Formless - she receives knowledge that condemns all the people of Roshar. That could narrow down the personality Formless has. Doesn't sound like an assassin to me, more like a frightened child. My interpretation: The first part merely refers to the fact that he loves warfare/the fight even though this preference is hurting him (watching his friends die is something that rips him apart). The second part is more interesting. I say it refers to his struggle with depression and that he has to overcome it on his own? Maybe change his perspective? Like Rand in WoT, he has to accept that other people have the right to be heroes as well, that he is not responsible for their deaths because they have their own free will and thus are able to make that decision and he has to respect that? Well, honestly it's written so vaguely that I can come up with 5 different interpretations but I like this one most because it could also lead to another idea that he is going to swear. Venli gets carried on the shoulders of her ancestors towards victory? Probably meaning that her past experiences and culture will help her to deal with her current problems? That she gets inspired by them? And concerning that overly important silence, hmmm, probably refers to the voidspren which somehow will be hindered to influence/control the singers? By being silenced? Super important in her quest to independence? Navani's actions are the most crucial of all? Very interesting. She probably dances with Taravangian's spy? Or lightweavers/the odium equivalent? So many options who those liars are. It's plural, so probably not "a" spy. It's probably also more than two, maybe a group. Maybe the retinue of another highprince? Another traitor who sides with Odium? Encouraged by Taravangian? But that doesn't fit with the next sentence, that she has to "unmask them, reach their hidden truths and deliver them to the world." So ominous. Maybe it refers to the Diagram and their members? To expose them, make sure everyone knows where their loyalties lie? And I have no clue what lies she is telling herself. Have fun ripping my predictions apart

Honestly until now I presumed there was a traitor (there's always a traitor) but they were never able to discovered who it was.

With "fools errand" I was not referring to the action itself, but that I doubt that some other scholars are able to find information that Jasnah hadn't yet uncovered, especially in the time-frame you have available. I agree, if Jasnah cannot convince Elhokar to kill / exile the parshmen first, the other monarchs will not lift a finger because they have to assume it's a plot. On the other hand, there are some kingdoms more open towards science than others. While the Alethi place more value into battle-prowess I can imagine the Azish to be more open to her arguments...

As a ruler your highest responsibility is to keep your population save. Considering how catastrophic it is if Jasnah's information are correct, shouldn't a responsible ruler do more than "talk to the parshmen"? They were subjugated for thousands of years, it's not like a nice talk in the last minute will change their grievances. Additionally they are in slave-form and are too stupid to hold a conversation anyway, so realistically talking with them doesn't work. "Gathering more information" is also a fools errand, what more could you possibly discover in the short time that Jasnah has not yet discovered? So both options are basically "to do nothing". In light of how parshmen are regarded, as utterly obedient slaves which have a monetary value (a bigger one than many darkeyes) shouldn't a ruler sacrifice this wealth to keep his population save? Since it is the most basic function a government is designed to provide. Safety.

Basically what I want to know is: How would you have acted if you knew what Jasnah knew at the time just before the Everstorm. You have the same sources and clues available she has. Imagine she visited you in your kingdom and explained it to you. What would you have done? Do you: 1. Execute all Parshmen - regardless of how many other kingdoms do it 2. Execute all Parshmen - under the condition that enough other kingdoms do the same 3. You don't believe the information - it's ridiculous after all. You nevertheless order your researchers to investigate. 4. You bet on the chance that this transformation won't happen - that way your kingdom has a gigantic economic advantage compared to those who executed their Parshmen 5. Genocide is wrong. Period. Doesn't matter if the claims are true or not, you won't execute an entire species because they MIGHT become a foe in the future. You don't do anything with your information. 6. You imprison them 7. You exile them 8. You talk to them 9. Jasnah is a herectic. The Allmighty will protect the faithful. You start praying. Let's see how today's morality deals with that nasty problem. Looking forward to the discussion. /edit: I just realized that I posted it in the wrong forum. Can somebody move it to "Stormlight Archive"? It's not a question that needs RoW spoiler information to be answered.

Kill all the Singers or convince them to stop the sacrificing is also a winning-strategy.

Less problems than getting lured away by him and when you come back Fused hold your city I'd presume

Such a waste. If anything Dalinar should imprison Taravangian -.-

(1) There is a difference between spy and assassin. (2) Until recently Odium wanted Dalinar alive. (3) Learning that someone is not who you expected him to be can destroy trust fundamentally.