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I always thought Adolin will die and his death will effect Dalinar and Renarin. Especially Dalinar since he expect so much from Adolin and almost nothing from Renarin in The first book. But Sanderson messed up everything with Shallan. I hate his story now. Sadeas’s death is great moral dilemma and Adolin is only important person who is not knights radiant. This alone makes him very special. I’m afraid he will live.

Why of course this is why I made a account: complain Why you did? And don’t worry, I’m going. Yes I know all of you are around awhile together. It is pretty evident because you are all thinking certain way now. I’m not judging, this is natural result of begin close community. Sorry to be a stranger here. And yes I know there will be 10 books but also Oatbringer supposedly should be about Dalinar. Which is a big lie. Why should I believe other books will be faithful to their main characters?

Do you really think Renarin’s story in the 6-10 books will be special? His everyday struggles, his bond with his spren, his situation in the family (he is the person everyone tried to protect) and even his possible healing will not be special because Sanderson will write everything to Shallan by the time of 6th book. He already wrote some of it. Oh I’m sure Sanderson will bring “special new unimportant something(!)“ for him since he had do but those things are far far away from the plot and I expect effect will be like “new house elf coming to the Hogwarts for Parvati Patil. “ (I have nothing against house elfs btw just to point small things are not real ”story arc”)

I’m talking about something different than changing character’s title or job. Kaladin’s plot is still same as Sanderson presented. Those changes are part of his plot. Didn’t you predicted those things? “Radiant who have some sort of disorder” was Renarin’s story. Sanderson tried to make Shallan “likeable” so he gave Renarin’s story to Shallan. Renarin completely overshadowed now. I’m going to do that and I’m not going to read 4th book. I just want to write my opinion before I go because I really liked Kholin clan and Kaladin.

If Shallan’s writing was good there should have been endless discussion about her motives and her choices and her story arc. This is what we call good writing. You can write most hated character easily. This doesn’t mean anything. And Sanderson changed her plot for every other book. She was the girl who had to do bad things for her Family to girl who is betrothed to Prince and changed again in 3rd book. You don’t know what Sanderson will come with 4th book. What bad for me is she is constantly killing or stealing stories of Renarin,Adolin, Kaladin, Jasnah and others. This is bad writing. And it doesn’t mean when I say I hate Shallan I would like to see damsel in distress instead of her. I found this belief offensive. And Shallan’s way of solving problem (marriage) very lame. I would have call her damsel in distress for this but even they are better.

Imagine waiting Harry Potter book like that: Being curious about house elf Dobby or Molly Weasley’s clock or Sorting Hat I think this is the difference between “real fan” or “random reader”. I lost the plot in this series and lost almost all of the main arcs. I can’t concentrate anything now.

If Adolin will not become the King there is no point for Sadeas arc. He had to be perfect heir before and now he can return to be spoiled prince or become a normal soldier or be jailed for life. It doesn’t change anything for anyone. It is so funny after the 2nd book everybody was like “what Adolin did was wrong/right”, kinda like Phoenix’s Joker. Now all of this is forgotten and became unimportant because Sanderson neglect to write anything in OB about this. Excited for 4th book really? I expected big Family clash from Sadeas/Adolin/Dalinar story (Kaladin taking sides too) But this probably What Sanderson will write: Shallan going to talk with Dalinar. Shallan going to talk with Adolin. And Dalinar accepts Adolin’s desicion in front of the Shallan. They all live happily ever after with Shallan. Ah don’t forget Shallan to have baby

She is one of the least favorite character in this poll just behind Sadeas (%14) and Amaram (%13) and Shallan is %12. She is one of the least favorite alive in this poll. And I can find many comments peoples are skipping her chapters. There is a thread called Shallan Davar disgust thread you can find innocent new members here and there. I don’t read her chapters but I’m reading comments.

Oh I like that You can justify anything and everyone By the way he is right, being divisive is very good only If it is your choices or motives are questioned like Phoenix’s Joker for example. Some peoples agree, some peoples disagree. Peoples are talking all about you. This is good because we can only learn by talking. For example Joker’s film critics were amazing not just because film is amazing. Because they torned apart every scene of the film and found tiny little things. But Sanderson is talking about a character which ignored by half of her audience. Peoples skipped Shallan’s pages and really I don’t want to came up with that but what peoples are mostly talking about her is love triangle. You can write some soap opera and be divisive as Shallan now. Really Sanderson?

This is why I almost tear of my copy of OB. There is a phrase about books,cinema, TV: “Show, don’t tell”. I much prefer to read how Adolin is dealing with pressure or what choices he does have or how he made his desicion seperately. Instead of building story up to Adolin and Dalinar’s final meet, there is a one chapter we read everything from Shallan’s mouth. Great way to kill tension between Dalinar and Adolin. This encounter was most anticipated thing for me after 2nd book. It become so anticlimax I’m not curious about 4th book at all. Bad writing. .And I’m a woman. I agree life is too hard for us and for female characters too. But Shallan is just a badly written character. I’m sure Sanderson agrees with me since he made so many changes on her. If he wants to portray amazing female hero please be inspired from real amazing female hero. What you did for Shallan is not working.

I made a post about PR tactics in this page but I don’t know how to link it. Sorry about this. What I see is he used every PR trick and those thing made whole story change. Whole thing become unreadable for me. Yes I agree he can choice how to present his character. And this is why I don’t mind when he overhype Shallan. But stealing Renarin’s story and Kholin marriage only come up in OB, those are big story arc changes and they are not in the plot. He should remain faithful to plot. Maybe you don’t feel pressure but I’m certainly feeling pressure. I had to love Shallan. Otherwise nothing to read for me. Which is why I’m stopping. I hope in the future another author will be inspired by Dalinar/Kaladin/Adolin/Renarin and Jasnah. Amazing characters who deserve their stories to be told without intervention.

Yes, This is result of Sanderson’s PR work. She have disadvantaged backround so we had to celebrate her every tiny little improvement. This doesn’t work for me because this is actually Renarin’s story. In first two book I celebrated his every tiny little improvement. With OB, why I had to change Renarin to Shallan? Only story I want read for Shallan in 4th book is her death, preferably direct result of Adolin and Kaladin’s actions and mistakes. I want to read their regrets. She killed all the stories I eagerly waited. I can’t find a story she is not in it. Crazy.

In first two books there small but consistent work to create good image for her. In real life, some celebrities uses that. Everyday they have good articles about them. They pay news outlets money because they want their name associated with good things. Sanderson dedicated some chapters to this. “She made a desicion which shows how clever she is” or “she is helping who have need, good girl” or “how great friend she is” or “how strong she is despite to her circumstances” bla bla bla. This doesn’t bother me because I can easily skip all of it. This is Sanderson’s choice, as a author he absolutely can do it. But he had to accept, as a reader I might not want to read. Those are small things but in the 3rd book Sanderson’s two PR tactics killed all my enjoyment. First he gave Shallan amazing excuse, so she is free of all the criticism. She have personality disorder If she does something bad, you can’t criticize her because this version is not real Shallan. If she does something amazing, you had to congratulate her because she overcome amazing difficulties. Some celebrities uses this tactic. You can’t criticize them because they have disadvantaged backrounds. If you criticize them you are Nazis. I have problem for this because I liked Renarin’s story in first two books. He had autism, he was strange. He worked with bridge four, he wanted to be son Dalinar wants. But Shallan’s disorder completely overshadowed Renarin. Sanderson sold me Renarin story in first book. But with 3rd books he changed plot. Now Renarin’s story become Shallan’s story. As a reader this is a slap on my face. I wanted to read Kaladin/Renarin, Renarin/Dalinar/Adolin and Renarin growing. There is no room now. 2nd tactic is using “Halo Effect”. Almost every reader likes one of the Kholins, right? Dalinar, Jasnah, Adolin, Navani or Renarin. They are most liked family in the books. Now Shallan is another Kholin Family member and this will gave her positive impression. But I hated this story too. I’m girl and I really can enjoy good “Handsome Prince” story. But eveything in OB done very quickly. No base, no anticipation, no climax. Her story with Adolin really feels flat. Laughable. End of the second book I was really curious about Dalinar and Adolin’s relationship. I liked heir apparent tension between father and son. Now I had to read “Shallan is helping Adolin with Dalinar, how cute” thing. Slap on my face again.

I voted Shallan and I find this so funny her results are with Sadeas and Amaram. When your female lead is on par with bad guys for popularity... This tells you a lot. And I’m a woman btw. I never enjoyed her chapters so mostly I skipped her chapters. But in Oathbringer her story is in everywhere.I want to enjoy from what I read. I don’t want to spend my time with Sanderson’s PR tactics to make her likeable. It is so obvious. I’m sorry but I’m expecting her death spoiler for 4th book before buying the book. If she is not death I’m finished with this series. Normally I would respect writer. It is his choice afterall. But no, enough is enough. Don’t force her on us.

He was one of my favorites. I would like to read his struggle with kingdom since thanks to Sadeas’s murder he will be very unpopular heir. Also I would like to read how Dalinar will deal with him. Unfortunately he is on his way to become radiant (I’m afraid Sanderson will not stop until everyone in the books becomes radiant ) Also marriage with Shallan is very bad idea for his character. He could be much more than “a prince who will heal” her.