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20 hours ago, alder24 said:
The interlude is now available on Arcanum.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/522-dragonsteel-2023/#e16257
This has an implication for the count. It is the fifth journey to the fifth land. That means that their original homeland is not one of the lands.
On 11/26/2023 at 4:07 AM, Elite01 said:A common theory is that Odium will somehow get Dalinar to break the contract and the repercussions lets him gain power.
That requires that the interlude be in the very close future with respect to the end of Rythm of War.
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On 9/30/2023 at 3:12 PM, alder24 said:
We don't know how a proper Threnodite CS looks like and what they are capable of - if they identify Kelsier phasing through walls as a CS from Threnody, it looks like they have no physical body, just like Kelsier, and that's either Shades, or CS like Kelsier. For me it's more likely Ire was talking about Shades.
Then why did the Forest of Hell terrify them?
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3 hours ago, Elite01 said:
I would assume it’s something to do with Odium getting more power over Roshar.
But does he attain more power? Th contract is designed to limit his power. Even if he finds a loophole, he just avoids the contest.
1 hour ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said:I did instantly think Axindweth when the rings were mentioned, but she seems like somebody Hoid wouldn’t like very much.
If it wasn't her, the number of feruchemists on Roshar grows to numbers that are hard to explain. Though if it is her, Hoid risks the Sharders discovering that there is a feruchemist on Roshar. And there is one more thing
(the earlier reading of SA 5)
SpoilerHoid was to call for help. The person he was widely speculated to call for was Frost. Frost however heads the 17th Shard. If Frost is called in anyway, why is the Shard still looking for Hoid?
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On 11/23/2023 at 8:10 AM, theSurgeOfPhysics said:
Makes me wonder, the POV calls Hoid the Trickster Aspect. Is he something fabricated directly by Adolnasium? Since shards have intent (Ruin, Honor, Autonomy, etc.), does Hoid have an intrinsic intent, and his true name could be something like Artifice or Guile? Not a shard, but something inhuman. Makes me wonder how much Hoid will contribute to SA5 and push the boundaries of non-intervention.
It could just refer to the Dawnshard he carried.
On 11/23/2023 at 11:48 PM, Johnny Silverlight said:Does anyone else think that maybe Cusicech opened the Perpendicularities and started the journey to the Fifth Land because of what's going to happen to Roshar when Dalinar duels Odium's champion?
Why now? What would the contest worsen? If danger causes it, why not as the Everstorm appeared?
And a few questions:
- Why does an Iriali teenager know what the Cosmere is?
- Her mother has a Blade. What oath is she on?
- How does the exodus practically work? What about bed-ridden nonagenerians?
- What happens to mixed people? Rira?
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1 hour ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said:
I do wonder when this interlude happened. The interludes are often at different times than the books, but I think something like this would be mentioned in a previous book. Brandon had previously said that Demoux, Galladon, and Baon had left Roshar by RoW, but I guess that has been revised.
Or they have returned. Or they spent that time in Shadesmar.
12 hours ago, Ravenclawjedi42 said:I got all excited when our favorite Worldhopper trio got a letter from Hoid, and instantly thought that it would have a whole bunch of really interesting fiddlygrack about the Cosmere with tons of useful information…
The important part there is the messenger. The rings scream feruchemist. If we accept that this leaves us with two unsatisfying options
- This was either Axindweth or somebody from her group. That would mean that Hoid is cooperating with somebody who transported a voidspren.
- We are looking at multiple groups of feruchemists.
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On 11/12/2023 at 7:34 PM, Elegy said:
Hoid at the beginning seems to be a Lightweaving, since things go through him, so that could also be added to the list.
For all we know the image was only in Nomad's mind, so I do not want to add this without confirmation.
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11 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:
Would think that this book would put to rest any rumors of odium being free. I can't imagine a free odium that would let he radiance live. The fact that men still swear oaths is proof that he is either still bound or dead.
Or Dalinar is dead and Navani and Jasnah have chosen to limit the damage and made a deal: release from Roshar against leaving the humans of Roshar alone.
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On 2.10.2023 at 9:36 AM, TheoreticalMagic said:
It wasn't about determining whether this stranger was a specific enemy or combatant for a particular military, but rather just determining whether this stranger was packing the equivalent of a bazooka somewhere on his person.
He is carrying the equivalent of a bazooka. His blade can damage the hull and doom them all. He freely tells them that he has a blade.
On 13.10.2023 at 5:49 AM, AidenTollis said:I thought that it wasn't exactly a war zone, it was just Trell's Army amassing near the Perpendicularly? I could be wrong tho
No, the Ghostbloods can reach some planets just fine. Others are cut off. That shows that the obstacle is on the remote side, that is, in Roshar's case, in Shadesmar.
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8 hours ago, alder24 said:
But that also means that you can Ascend to a Shard from anywhere, as long as you can reach into the Spiritual Realm more than normally. If you can Connect yourself to a Shard, you can Ascend. Kind of.
(Scadrial)
SpoilerThe issue with that theory is that the only time we saw somebody ascend it took physical proximity. Also the Ire, who tried, found it necessary to be physically in Scadrial's subastral.
And taking up the Dawnshard required Rysyn to be within a few meters of it. There would be no point in guarding Aimia, if distance did not matter,
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Again, a single nuke will do horrendous damage, where it explodes. But you are not going to destroy a whole planet.
I am afraid we need to look at the basics. Nuclear weapons are so frightening because we have delivery systems. With the technology of, let's say, 1850 nuclear weapons would be far less an advantage than they were in 1950, because you could not smash multiple cities with the fleets of bombers an industrialized country can build but not defend with the required reliability against.
The Cosmere will likely be somewhere in between. To destroy a heavily defended planet you need to overcome either its space defences or get at its subastral. Yet they have battle fleets. There is no reason an attacking fleet would have advantage against a defending fleet. In Shadesmar, this is even worse, because your speed is limited to a few times the speed of sound (air resistance) and you'll be very very visible if you do that.
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11 hours ago, Bzhydack said:
Some sort of Threnodite equivalent of Transportation Surge. We know Threnodites are able to leave planet in current time, we literaly met at least two of them. Maybe some sort of fabrial using Shades. They needet to have other power sources for ships when they leave Threnody, so some sort of Invested Technology was known to them. Indeed they may use something like Stargate (Shadegate?) to move into Shadesmar, and then navigate to strong source of Investiture in Shadesmar, then leave, only to realize they get trapped because they cant use this Investiture. This is very plausible - they needet to find fuel for ships, because in Shadesmar Investiture is scarce, so Zelin decided to go back to Physical Realm when they detect strong source of Investiture on other side.
Then they'd all be dead. Sorry, but you have only hours to establish flying cities once you are on the surface of Canticle. That includes the time for understanding the danger the sun poses.
18 hours ago, Bzhydack said:But their engines cannot work in space! And they didnt mention anything about "forgotten technology". More even, they are certain they cannot fly high above surface and they are surpriced when Nomad mentions space ships. If they arrived on Canticle in space ship, they would have at least legend about "descending from stars" or something like this. Also, Chorus will mention this. Also, that will mean Threnody had space ferring technology before Evil, and this contradicts what we know about them.
They mentioned something much more sinister. They knew that death by sunight does not produce shades. I will say it outright. Zellion and his associates wanted a new home like Canticle, where Threnodites live without Shades and in an environment that forces passificism. Then they surpressed the engine technology.
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11 hours ago, Treamayne said:
You're saying "guard" as if the topic was an invasion. I thought the topic was Mutually Assured Destruction. Guard in a ring all you want, it only takes one suicide bomber with an invested briefcase nuke to destroy sneak into the local Shadesmar and blow it all up. It may not be an interplanetary missile system, but it is definitely a way to imply "kill our planet and we can assure that you die too."
You won't blow it all up. You'll land a few warheads. And in Shadesmar you are limited to flying with atmospheric speeds over featureless terrain with no weather.
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On 8.10.2023 at 4:51 PM, Treamayne said:
Except they do have an equivalent - it's called Shadesmar. Or do you think a planet could surive the destruction of it's Cognitive Self? Alternately, WMD is smuggled via Shadesmar and moved to the PR via Transportation (generically speaking).
Shadesmar is terrible for an attack, let alone an invasion. The defender has huge logistic advantages and you have to gurd in a ring as opposed to a sphere.
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13 hours ago, Ale the Metallic Conjurer said:
1. Wyrn's future sight was limited to the perception of a mortal - Wyrn himself. His future sight may be impressive compared to atium burning, but not compared to beings or objects steeped in the Cognitive and Spiritual Realms, which I'm assuming some of the above commenters are referring to and theorizing about. Wyrn's future sight may be insignificant compared to Shards, Jaddeth the possible Avatar, and Dominion's... Perpendicularity?
2. Wyrn was trying to see the future of Elantris but clashed with Raoden's possible Fortune or future sight, clouding its accuracy. Similar to how an atium shadow splits into countless shadows when reading other atium burners. I believe Raoden's talent in AonDor was machinated by Devotion, along with his vision of the Chasm line.
3. Raoden was clouding Wyrn's future sight ever since he became an Elantrian. This is just speculation and it ties into my theory that Devotion and Dominion have been weaving a greater, precognitive plot behind the scenes.
That would mean that Wyrn foresaw people with precognition, but did not send in Dakhor monks in force immediately regardless of the consequences. And that makes little sense.
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Then let me ask a simple question: The Shard of Honor has been splintered. How would he even find the pieces?
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10 hours ago, Bzhydack said:
Why assume he wanted this? Canticle has no Perpendicularity. Will not be accesible from Shadesmar, until temporary one apear. If Threnodites fled by Shadesmar, then something forces them to go out on Canticle and they get stuck. If they were traveling by other means, they will get stuck too. Is very possible that Canticle wasnt main destination, but became one. Simply, it's a trap!
They derived the engines that lift the cities from their ship engines. They state that temselves. Hence we are certain that they left Threnody in space ships.
They went to that systems intentionally or extremely recklessly.
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1 hour ago, alder24 said:
Well, how would you bring spren into CR? If you can bring them there - I think it's likely with lesser spren - then they should work in CR. But things like Shardblades or Shardplates can't be brought into CR, but Ryshadium can go with its bonded spren, and BAM possibly is somewhere in CR. It all depends on what would happen to a spren in a gemstone when you try to enter CR.
Doesn't Ulim show that storing them in gemstones simply works?
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1 hour ago, Firesong said:
Oh, I bet that there would be MAD, Scadrial has knowledge on how to make massive Invested Nukes. Sig also knows about nuclear reactors, which came after nuclear bombs. So I definitely believe that they would have MAD.
No, for they lack the equivalent of an ICBM on the cosmic scale. You can have a nuclear war. But it would be winnable.
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Spanreeds cannot be used between realms. Do spanreeds, however, work within the Cognitive Realm?
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16 hours ago, Frustration said:
I therefore propose this solution to Taravangian problems: Kill Dalinar and the Stormfather before the contest occurs.
If he does that he dooms his own troops. Without the Highstorm the Singers are unable to take new forms, so the species will die out.
And we do not know whom the contract is with: Dalinar or Honor's heir. One could argue that in case of his death the other Bondsmith would ingerit the contract, so Navani would nominate a champion.
40 minutes ago, Letryx13 said:That's part of what makes me think this idea wouldn't work. If the "champion" is provoking people in Uritheru, then Odium isn't sending a champion, he's sending someone to cause havoc. It's not the same thing. It could be different if just by walking by the champion provoked someone, but I don't think it would work if Odium's "champion" went out of their way to pick a fight.
The contract does not prohibit that, though.
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6 minutes ago, alder24 said:
I thought almost the same, but about Gavinor jumping in to stab Marsh. I would say that If Odium's champion provoked somebody and got hit as a consequence, then he got what he asked for and the contract is still valid (or worse, because he started it, it would be considered as Odium breaking the terms). But that's open to interpretation honestly. What would be a Taravangian move is to send Marsh without him doing any provocation, but just him being voidishly him, which makes Gavinor attack him to avenge his father's death. Odium could theoretically riot Gavinor's hatred in some indirect way, but Gavinor already wants to kill Moash. RoW ch 16:
If you do that, take it up to eleven. Your champion walks up into Urithiru and butchers, eats and kills a baby on each floor.
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10 hours ago, Frustration said:
Most of these can be done concurrently, and I'll try to break them down.
But why would they do that? What is their reason for such haste?
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49 minutes ago, Bzhydack said:
Doesnt matter. Still they need to calculate this potential time dilatation, regardles of origin.
If they want satellite navigation, yes. But this matters only if the dilatation is different on the surface versus the satellites. That is if they are wrong by the same factor for satellites and the surface, it does not matter. I have to point out that if you do intentional time manipulation with allomancy, you have a sharp border of the affected volume with a uniform effect within it. The same effect you seem to see with allomantic forces, by the way. That leaves us three options.
- time dilatation in orbit and on the surface are equal and they know it
- they are not equal, the Night Brigade knows that, compensates and doesn't care otherwise
- the effects are equal and they do not know.
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That actually makes the case for a larger Cosmere. He has been to tens of planets with a lot of Investiture. There cannot be tens of Shardworlds.
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Interlude Characters for SA5? [Discuss]
in Stormlight Archive
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First, I need to say that Brandon needs to weave in a lot of lose threads. And he has added threads in Rhythm of War and Dawnshard. Hence I suspect that he will need to use the interludes to close the gaps. So where do I see the largest gaps?
The thing is, the second big secret can wait for the second half. What Gavilar was up to really cannot. So I want to see Aesudan.
As far as the orders are concerned, the biggest lacuna is the Dustbringers, not the Stonewards. We have seen a whole lot of stoneshaping, but no division.