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14 hours ago, Adamkarma said:
I mean he is worshipped by two religions and revered by a third. He is not a hero, he does selfish things. Maybe he has both in him. He is Discord not Harmony.
I must reject that definition of a hero. A hero is a courageous , honorable person. You are mixing up ethics and heroism. That is senseless. You will find heroes on both sides of wars. Kelsier is not a clearly good man, obviously so, for he was a criminal. But he is a hero to his people. Yes, he is not humble by any means. But he really did the things he is venerated for.
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1 hour ago, Adamkarma said:
Is Kelsier (from your point of view) the hero, the villain, or the anti-hero?
All in all he is a hero. He toppled a bloodthirsty monster, liberated the Skaa and fought Ruin.
He just is not a humble or forgiving man. Nor does he forget whose side he is on.
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18 minutes ago, robardin said:
How was that glider supposed to take off, then, without a Coinshot handy? Either there would have to be a medallion for A-steel, or a member of the crew would have had to be a Coinshot.
Torpedo tube style? Compressed air to be triggered on the ship? Hence him relying on Waxillium.
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4 hours ago, Quantus said:
Devil's Advocate question because I cant actually remember, and because we know Light at least is bend to narrative. Has there been an instance of somebody from outside the sphere observing the happenings inside? In most cases it's a flicker change and it's done or else it goes unobserved entirely. Has maybe somebody with superspeed* been able to see into a sphere?
I don't need to see into it. That's why we have a pipe. I use synchronized watches at the point I drop/propel downward the object and at the impact point.
4 hours ago, Quantus said:As for in-world Arcanist theories, I have a couple different ideas, but Ill need your help to figure out which fits the evidence better because it's been a while since I've read through mistborn. Also allowing that this hypothetical is taking about a lot of energy so it might be playing in the Possible But Not Practical stuff he's always lamenting in WOBs.
I have no idea how to verify these theories.
2 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:If bubbles work like RL time dilation, no one will observe FTL, exactly. In RL, at least with special relativity, this can happen because distance also changes. (If you were traveling at 99.9% of light speed you'd get to a star 100 light years away from Earth in much less than 100 years your-time, but you'll observe the distance to your destination shrinking.)
Well, I am afraid that depends on speed being a vector. If the bubble internally shrank consistently in all directions, how would you measures distances as opposed to time? At most you could measure the energy it takes to get up to a defined speed. But that does not work with constant speeds.
2 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:But there is some way to get FTL involving bubbles.
So I think we can't 100% apply RL time dilation rules, and we can't confidently say much beyond the WoBs. (And details might even have changed since the earlier WoBs - the BoM carriage bubble scene and discussion shows different rules than the older AoL-era bubble WoBs, re: bubbles on trains).
(Although it is possible that bubble FTL works like an Alcubierre drive, and thus doesn't violate relativity. But we don't see anyone talking about bubbles changing distances or being larger/smaller on the inside).
That is in fact what I would propose in that the stationary bendalloy bubble sort of shortens the distance, acting as the warp bubble and the moving cadmium bubble works like the unbent space inside the warp bubble.
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5 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:
I feel like since the whole bubble is moving, it'd be the outside one - your speed within (relative to) the bubble is basically zero so your motion isn't really accelerated.
And when your bubble hits the other object it distorts and eventually pops so at the actual moment of collision there's no bubble?
Maybe?
Fair enough. So we complicate the experiment a little. We have the objects narrowly miss. They, however, obviously do have a gravitational attraction to each other. Which one feels which attraction?
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5 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:
We still don't know enough though, I think. I am not sure how conservation of energy issues apply- even unlimited energy can't give you FTL.
It seems to me that there is a problem with that. Suppose you are on an object lrge enough to anchor a bubble to. You are on a collision course with another object. You use a bendalloy bubble. To an external observer you are now faster. Which momentum do you have on impact? The one you would calculate or the one the people outside would calculate?
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5 hours ago, Quantus said:
It's going to come down to Realmic Cognitive Perception Shenanigans, since the observation of Light (the redshift) is the main thing that he's specifically handwaving away from logic
The problem is that the same measurement can be seen from both sides. Suppose I build a vacuum pipe with some observation ports through a speed bubble. Then I drop an object through it. The time it takes to traverse through the bubble is different to an observer outside or inside the bubble, isn't it?
5 hours ago, Quantus said:You lost me, how would matter be accelerated to superluminal speeds?
Now we repeat the experiment with an object not just dropped but accelerated to 50% of the speed of light outside the bubble. Let's say the bubble has a "factor" of 10.
What speeds do the observers get for the object? Is one of them superluminal? If the answer to that is negative, it seems to me that the speed of light has been altered.0 -
4 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said:
I don't think those WoBs establish that the speed of light doesn't change (in RL gravitational redshift, the speed of light remains constant), but this one does
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/33/#e2763
Necarion
One other speed bubble question. Is the speed of light the same inside and outside a speed bubble?
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Um, yes. The speed of light is the same. Good question, you're trying to figure out the FTL.
The same to whom? That is the culprit of the question. It seems to me that if an external observer measured the same speed whether a speed bubble is in the way or not, an internal observer would measure an altered speed of light. And in that case: what happens to matter that is thereby superluminal?
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On 28.9.2022 at 3:38 AM, Frustration said:
The Oathgates already do that.
Is there evidence that they are FTL?
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2 hours ago, Quantus said:
Ooh, gotcha, sorry. WOB #2 above says for both bullets and Light they're calling it a thermodynamic process at the boundary that bleeds energy out to explain why there's no problematic radiation or object acceleration when things leave the boundary (and I think is why there's a shimmer but no actual Doppler shift). WOB
The redshift also introduces a thermodynamic problem, which the absence of a redshift actually solves. If you have two objects of the same temperature and put one of them into a speed bubble, heat will flow by radiation.
2 hours ago, Quantus said:#4 elaborates that the problems were interconnected, were consider from both the inside-out and outside-in perspective, and ultimately handwaved to say the boundary bleeds out any problematic kinetic energy but chaotically enough that Wayne cant just sniper from inside his bubble.
Well, that is kind of the point. The problem goes away if you consider a speed bubble to be a kind of relativistic effect. Kinetic energy and momentum are different to an internal and external observer and the border decides what view applies.
2 hours ago, Quantus said:EDIT: Also, I think they are mostly discarding the real wave behavior and just calling it the Light-as-a-Particle side to say it behaves the same for visible light and thrown/flying objects.
How so?
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I think I have figured out a method. Famous last words. But anyway, I cannot find a flaw under certain assumptions on how bubbles work.
So, first we have to understand something about relativistic travel. I am sorry, but I will have to do a bit of Special Relativity simplified to brutal shortness. What happens if you just keep accelerating? That depends on viewpoint - hence relativity. Very well let's say that before you start you determine the distance between the point A and B you are going to travel. From your (moving) point of view the voyage will take less time (given enough acceleration) than light would need to travel from A to B, because from your view point the distance between A and B shrinks. From the view point of an external observer at rest with respect to A and B, your travel will take at least as long as light will need and your (the traveller's) time will slow down.
Now let's suppose there is a bendalloy bubble between A and B. We all probably agree that it will take less time from the viewpoint of an external observer than your time. That is kind of the point of a speed bubble. If we take an interstellar bubble this is a deeply problematic solution to the traveller. So what prevents us from putting the traveller into a smaller cadmium bubble? That should do it and it seems surprisingly simple. But I cannot find a flaw, under one major condition: speed bubbles do not alter the speed of light. You just need a moving cadmium bubble inside a stationary bendalloy bubble.
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7 minutes ago, Quantus said:
You are going to have to disconnect your logical chain here, the 'No Doppler Shift' rule for speed bubbles was a "handwavium" solution to avoid narrative issues and is specifically where he chose to deviate from what logic and science would dictate.
Sure, but where is the connection to that? As far as I can see the redshift and the momentum question are independent of each oter.
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2 hours ago, Quantus said:
Conventional* by specific Doylistic Choice. Otherwise they'd cause unanticipated radiation, OP railgun coinshots, etc. :
I am afraid I do not understand the conclusion drawn from the WOBs.
In fact they would lead me to the opposite conclusion. So you do not gain kinetic energy leaving a speed bubble. That is fairly easily explained by a sort of relativity. Measured from inside the bubble your speed is not increased inside the bubble. But for that to be true, they would need to measure the speed of light inside the bubble to be c. Consequenly the speed of light inside the bubble measured from outside the bubble has to be > c.
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Do we have mechanical engineers among us? I'd use an airtight chamber sealed at one end with a metal foil. Then I'd attach one tip of a spanreed with a rod to the center of the foil. Then the spanreed is rested on a well lubricated pivot allowing free swinging in the plane defined by the rod and the spanreed. Here we go. What do you think? As far as I can see Roshar at the time of Rhythm of War has all the necessary technology.
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So, thinking about this a bit, do they have a rural population? And if not, what does puttting all the people into cities mean for economics? In particular, how do they do mining? Can they fish? Does the Drakness extend over the oceans?
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Suppose you measure the speed of light between two points A and B, which are at rest to each other and are right outside a bendalloy bubble. Is the speed of light still the conventional value or is it increased by the factor of the bubble?
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3 hours ago, robardin said:
He was also a carriage driver at least once in Stormlight Archives, when Shallan recognizes him and hugs him, to Adolin's astonishment. Maybe he just likes driving (horses or cars).
A carriage driver is less likely to need to explain his movements. "My boss told me to drive there and wait for him, but not the reason" is often credible.
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On 25.9.2022 at 2:05 AM, Mr. Misting said:
I like your point about the time period but you are making the point to the wrong people. Sure it is conventional for people for get married in this time but Wayne and MeLann are so removed from society's conventions. MeLaan is a quirky 600 year old immortal and Wayne's favorite pastime is ignoring logic and social norms.
What makes you think that Kandra actually do marriage? They are an alien species, albeit derived from man. In terms of behavior human pair bonding is likely to come from a need to raise very immature children. Kandra do not have this issue.
They may pretend to be married to fit in, but that is just that and for Wayne to fit in is futile.
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On 23.9.2022 at 4:22 AM, Invocation said:
I know they're the hardest to export, but Sel has been neglected for too long. I want to know more. Note that at no point did I say that this was so much as a reasonable hope of mine, which is why I'm not actually defending it as much as saying it's a hope of mine.
Now, you might see Selish people. All objections are against Selish magic systems. If you are going to hire a mercenary troop, going for the planet with the highest surface gravity makes sense. There is no reason you could not have a troop of Ghostblood paramilitaries from Sel using Aethers.
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14 hours ago, Frustration said:
Yes they can. It's mentioned in Bands of Mourning that Elendel taxes the outer cities.
Yes and no. The quote:
QuoteBy outer cities argument, that means we're taxing them twice. First by our levies to maintain the railway lines, then a second time by making them pass everything through us.
Elendel charges the outer cities for being connected to the rail network. But it does not charge individual citizens of other cities.
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19 minutes ago, Yuliya said:
I was surprised there was no mention of Allik so far: I expected him and Marasi to get together within the six years that have passed between books. It seemed reasonable that he would return to Elendel with one of the expeditions and there was strong foreshadowing for their relationship in the previous book. Maybe we will get to see it on screen instead.
Would you take him on your crew? His captain just needed to write a truthful report and most captains would consider him unreliable for personal reasons.
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18 hours ago, Hare_Mettle said:
I have been doing some research and haven't found any theorizing on this topic yet; but, apologies if that's untrue.
I loved the inclusion of Kaladin's Shardplate having the ability to leave him and go protect someone else. This made me think that each order's 4th ideal Living Shardplate may bring with it a unique ability. Here's what I'm imagining after a short brainstorm session:
That is doing statistics from two examples.
18 hours ago, Hare_Mettle said:Windrunners: Protection = lesser spren leaving them to go protect others.
For all we know that is just a use of the Surge of Adhesion.
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6 hours ago, Frustration said:
I dislike the term imperialist when in regards to the bill, it implies that the outer cities are different countries rather than the same one.
That is exactly how the Outer Cities see themselves. They are politically independent of Elendel. The continuation of that state of affairs is the point of conflict.
6 hours ago, Frustration said:Which isn't the case because Elendel has tax power over them and they describe conflict as a civil war.
Elendel has power over the railways and the river and immense informal power, but Elendel cannot tax citizens of Bilming or New Serran at home.
The issue is hopelessly muddled by them until very recently not knowing the concept of a foreign ethnicity in a real sense. They know Koloss, but they are a different species. It was a thing from historical records and fiction. So they see themselves as one ethnicity precluding ethnic nationalism. I guess the best paralell to Earth would be ancient Greece, whose states absolutely saw each other as different countries and went to war against each other, but did recognize a common ethnicity.
Even the proposed bill would not erase the distinction. It just turns them from formally equal states into one ruling state and a lot of subjected states.
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1 hour ago, Returned said:
Thanks Wayne
It is equally valid for them to have French accents, as it's an arbitrary choice no matter what you pick.
But it would suggest that they are speaking a second language to the audience. The only ones doing that from their own perspective would be the Terris people.
1 hour ago, Returned said:But it would be an odd choice and introduce a lot of extra effort to have everyone speaking American English with an arbitrarily chosen French accent (or accents), when those accents aren't common there, for a movie that will likely be produced by U.S. companies for a primarily (or at least initially) U.S. audience. Not as an artistic choice, but as a business and production choice. It would be much, much easier, both to do and to justify, to simply have all of the names use French-style pronunciations and not bother with accents at all.
Well, Dragonsteel has a linguist. You could go full Tolkien and make the movie in the original language
Though, the Final Empire does have strong regional accents. There is no need to limit yourself to actors of one origin. I would let all Terris people speak with one foreign accent though. Cutting that out would deprive the audience of a clue that they are different.
1 hour ago, Returned said:Ah yes, but French with which accents? I don't care what language the movie is in, as long as they get the plotting, pacing, and effects right, so I'm on board for a default French language production if that's the way the production goes. And it's not like the people on Scadrial plausibly speak French, or English with French accents, anyways. The Romanized, English spellings of their proper nouns just have pronunciations that seem similar to French.
It could but it would make people wonder why this romanization was chosen. Why couldn't Brandon just spell him Kelsié and be done with it?
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No. It should not make them younger, respectively older depending on perspective.
In the case of Sel you need to differentiate between internal and external age as opposed to units of measurements. A 20 year old Rosharan is 22 in Earth years. But if you measured his or her age with a clock you would still arrive at the same amount of time if you take the same model of clock.
That is not the case with Sel. The length of the Selish year may be different, but a clock would really run slower on Sel, hence it would mean that to an exterior observe it takes longer to attain an age.