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  1. 40 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    That's not necessary. She could have met Hoid on Yolen and done something on Yolen, which was against Frost's ideology. We know from the reading that she started exploring Cosmere after being exiled.

     

    So the one who is against intervention sends out a dragon who has a very good reason to be angry and is driven by relative powerlessness to action?

  2. 16 hours ago, BinarySecond said:

    I apologise for my previous facetious question, but there is a genuine curiousity to it. I don't really understand the importance of Aviar to the cosmere - Why are they so important compared to something like Allomancy or a Knight Radiant (with a gun?)

    • Allomancy and Feruchemy grant a strictly limited set of abilities
    • The other powers require an external fuel (Stormlight, purified Dor, Breaths)
    • Aethers bound you to a core aether and are not fully usable without extra fuel on many worlds

     

    15 hours ago, Dofurion said:

    I think I've used this analogy before but it best sums it up: Aviars are Sprens without oaths that grant allomancy.

    Spren need Stormlight. Without it a spren gives you only a blade and maybe armour, no powers.

    49 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    I actually thought that it was Frost that exiled her for some reason. Knowing how strictly non-interventionist Frost is, Starling might have been pushed by Hoid to do something with which Frost might not agree. Something drastic, which influenced politics on a greater scale and possibly against dragon’s traditions, so other dragons would want to exile her and Frost agreed with them.

    But in that case she already would have left Yolen.

  3. 7 hours ago, Nesh said:

    I find it interesting that Starling is Hoid's apprentice.  I wonder if Frost's... strained relationship wit Hoid has anything to do with her banishment.

    Frost seems to be quite influential, having a palace, a throne and personal priests. You are raising an important question. Who dared put his niece in shackles? Do dragons have a government powerful enough to do that? If so, what was important enough to antagonize Frost?

    And we have a lot of open questions:

    1. How does the crew know that she is a dragon? Has she told them?
    2. How come they have prejudices about dragons? Does that mean that Yolen has come out of seclusion?
    3. What has happened on Threnody?
    4. Why does Xisis sink low enough to own a ship crewed with misfits?
    On 3/25/2024 at 1:14 AM, alder24 said:

    What if they no longer consider Avatars and Shards as gods anymore, or they have their ways of dealing with them and opposing them? Patji even as an Avatar might not be a challenge to them in the future (Anti-Investiture might kill him up for example).

    And even more fundamental, why has the avatar not reacted to Scadrians enroaching on the autonomy of First of the Sun?

  4. On 3/25/2024 at 12:29 PM, Isilel said:

    Isn't it a bit odd that the only way back to Dhatri is via space travel, though? Shouldn't Willshapers and Elsecallers be able to get people over from the Cognitive without a perpendicularity?  And wasn't it strongly hinted in one of Nikki Savage adventures in TLM or BoM that a gadget exists that can do the same? Not to mention Aon Tia?

    1. Either method would need fuel
    2. That they are able to do so does not mean that they are willing to do so
    3. Nor does it mean that such people exist on a backwater world
    4. Nor do we know the side effects of losing your perpendicularity, respectively the means this happened by
  5. 1 hour ago, alder24 said:

    I can help him keep Odium imprisoned in a way that would not cause eternal war on Roshar, or destroy the planet, but I won't join him - we cooperate, keep him in check and then part our way. But that's not Hoid's ultimate plan, that’s just a sidequest. Nobody knows what he wants. I need to know to decide.

    If two Shards found no better way than the cycle of Desolations and one of them was splintered thereby, we must take the possibility that Hoid is correct and only those two alternatives exist, seriously.

    Yet that does not change the fact that we do not actually know his goals, let alone his plans to achieve them.

    1 hour ago, alder24 said:

    If Hoid wants to restore Adonalsium, something that many on this forum believed to be very likely, then I want to know what would be the consequences of this action.

    Exactly. Yet, frankly, to create an uncontrolable power you need a very good reason.

    1 hour ago, alder24 said:

    Cosmere right now seems more or less stable, to recombine Adonalsium you would need to collect all Shards - that means war, that means killing all current Vessels, that would be devastating.

    It isn't stable. Odium is going to break lose sooner or later. It is just a matter of time. Autonomy is expanding and duplicating herself while acting as the technological police. Harmony is going insane. Cultivation and Mercy are on very dubious paths.

    The current era of stability is doomed. One might see Shards as warping the mind to follow a narrow Intent without other considerations. Basically taking up a Shard is kind of accepting brain damage in exchange for divine powers. The problem with that is obvious. It seems to me that the better solution, if it came to that, would be to splinter all Shards.


    Personally, if I had to join anybody, it would be Kelsier, because his motivations are rational and understandable, albeit not very nice.

  6. 6 minutes ago, KelsierFortnite said:

    I think Hoid seems to be wondering whether Adonalsium could be reforged.

    It seems to me that Hoid, being one of the original 16, ought to know the answer to that question. This sounds more like wondering what the consequences would be and, thereby, whether this should be done. Looking at Hoid I would tend to dismiss the idea that they shattered Adonalsium only for the power. If they had a good reason, undoing what they did isa bad idea all things being equal.

     

    Or alternatively, he is talking about Honor.

  7. 6 hours ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

    I have no evidence for this but I think Hoids goal is to reform Adonalsium, whatever that means. I think Adonalsium may not have been as benevolent as one might assume. As we have seen with the shards, the power does not necessitate innate goodness or the inability to make mistakes.

    I'd see it as stupid to create your own overlord. If I may speculate I think the fundamental conflict of the Cosmere will be between Reuniters and Shatterers, the latter wanting to bring the Shattering to its logical conclusion.

  8. It depends on how specific the Intent has to be. Possible sequence

    1. You stab somebody who has a healing power with an aluminium weapon or you use your healing fabrial on somebody wounded with an aluminium spike
    2. The power or fabrial fails
    3. You conclude from that that you want to systematically research the interaction of metals and Investiture
    4. You want to find out whether any effects are changing the metal. So you reuse a spike.
  9. 33 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    By this logic Brandon should not write anything in the future because that risks spoiling present books. Yumi, Tress, Sunlit, SotD, or even TLN should not have been written because they contain spoilers to SA 5/10 and Mistborn Era 3/4. But they were written, they don't spoil books, they tease them with little facts that tell us nothing about how SA/Mistborn will progress. He can include dragons and Aethers in his story and don't spoil us present Cosmere - just like he did in Tress.

    Brandon was forced to limit himself. The main protagonists were not cosmere aware (one exception of course). The far future stories were set on remote planets without permanent connections to other worlds.

    33 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    Because dragons running a corporation and using futuristic magic-tech is more interesting than dragons with swords. It's harder to write about a world overrun by crabs and about people with mental health problems, but that just makes a far better story - that's the reason to write it. 

    Will Honor be reforged? - A dragon or a core aether must know.
    Will Discord be defeated? - A dragon or a core aether must know.
    Will Odium be free of the Rosharan system? - A dragon or a core aether must know.
    Is Autonomy waging war? - A dragon or a core aether must know.

    It is the same issue as having Jasnah PoV chapters. If you have a dragon protagonist running a big corporation, they need to consider these things.

  10. 2 minutes ago, AonEne said:

    First - why would it mean that? The book is already high connectivity, whatever complication level it is is something Brandon chose. And I don't think he's shying away from things that have lots of moving pieces. Also, what does "gain" mean to you? Why wouldn't dragons be adding anything to the story (especially when we don't know how they'd be involved if they were)? 

    Because he loves dragons. He's been talking about them a lot lately, but even before that, we knew he liked dragons and fully intended to write them into the cosmere more. Even if it was more trouble, I imagine he'd find it worth it because dragons. (Valid of him.) 

    Because SA#6 to SA#10 haven't been written. Neither have the next eras of Mistborn and countless other things. Whenever he writes something in the far future, he risks contradicting himself or having to abandon cool new ideas for those books, because they would contradict SP#5. He would avoid much of that trouble by writing a book roughly contemporary to SA#5 or TLM. In addition, whenever he writes something in the future Cosmere, he risks spoiling future books he will still write.

    (Sunlit Man)

    Spoiler

    Just like we now can be quite sure that Kaladin survives SA#5 to SA#10
    And that a Dawnshard will feature in SA#5

    If he wants to write about dragons, he can set a book at the same time as TLM and avoid those risks, respectively the work to minimize them, at no cost.
    Unless you want to propose that he wants to write specifically about dragons in space ships, which is very specific, hence unlikely (and without evidence), why, if he wants to write about dragons, not set the book in Silverlight at the time of TLM, just to give an example?

    2 minutes ago, AonEne said:

    First - why would it mean that? The book is already high connectivity, whatever complication level it is is something Brandon chose. And I don't think he's shying away from things that have lots of moving pieces. Also, what does "gain" mean to you? Why wouldn't dragons be adding anything to the story (especially when we don't know how they'd be involved if they were)? 

    Because he loves dragons. He's been talking about them a lot lately, but even before that, we knew he liked dragons and fully intended to write them into the cosmere more. Even if it was more trouble, I imagine he'd find it worth it because dragons. (Valid of him.) 

    "Gain" in this context is an interesting story. Dragons are cool. Yet they are almost equally cool at any time. So why set a story into a time period that is harder to write about?

    I see no reason. Now, I would like to see a book about dragons. And you can find evidence that Brandon will write about dragons. It is just the combination of dragons and far future that makes less sense.
    Hence I would conclude that he wrote about something that has to be far future. For example, MeLaan rediscovering Yolen. It intrinsically has to be a future setting.

  11. 6 hours ago, AonEne said:

    Not sure how that was relevant to what you were replying to? Dragons will presumably still be around in the space age. And yeah, if Brandon's writing something like this, I fully expect him to adhere to the timeline and things (though not to remember it himself lol). 

    Because it would mean that Brandon is causing himself extra work for no gain.

    5 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

    Writing future-era stuff is going to be complicated no matter what it is, so I don't know why dragons specifically have anything to do with it.

    That is exactly the point. Why go to that trouble to write about dragons?

  12. 2 hours ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

    *cough* TLM *cough*

    That was not a story set in the far future.

    3 hours ago, Elegy said:

    Further information from the stream: It's not narrated by Hoid, it's the farthest in the Cosmere we've seen canonically, and it's something he'd wanted to write for a while.

    Allomancer Jak in the pits of Partinel

    A tineye and his trusty slugthrower revealing the secrets of the dastardly ShoDel.

  13. 12 minutes ago, rywall182 said:

    For Mercy to voluntarily join this battle, and consciously fight alongside Odium, Mercy would have had to believe that Ambition was an even larger threat to the cosmere than Odium. That it was an even larger mercy to the cosmere to take out Ambition, rather than Odium, that seems highly unlikely:

    1. Odium already splintered Dominion and Devotion by this point

    2. Odium is constantly referred to as the most dangerous of the 16

    So either we had a three-way battle (which would be a bit strange, so that seems unlikely) or Mercy fought alongside Ambition. 

    Yes, Odium would need to face down two shards- splinter one- and have the other retreat. Considering though, that he did this exact thing, not only on Roshar with Honor/Cultivation, but quite possibly took on Dominion and Devotion simultaneously (though we dont know the precise details there either)- thats not at all far fetched.

    Let me quote Endowment:

    As for Uli Da, it was obvious from the outset that she was going to be a problem. Good riddance.

    Considering it better for everybody for her to be dead seems to be the likelier attitude to me. As for Mercy's choice, if you have two problems, will you refuse to take out the one you can take out, just because the other one may be even worse?

  14. 4 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

    Likely IMO: Dragon stuff - Brandon's talked way too much about dragons for them not to be involved.

    Then why future Cosmere with many connections? That is most trouble in terms of spoilers and getting things coordinated.

    Now, it is possible that Brandon just wanted to write some SF. But it seems to me that future and highly connected would be complications he'd seek only if necessary for the story, respectively are inherent to the topic.

    4 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

    Possible: Original Aether World - Brandon's also talked a tad about this and how it's inspired by Indian mythology, and how he thinks that will be the next big mythological trend or whatnot. To me, Sanderson would be pretty silly to notice and/or predict a trend and to not jump on the train before it leaves the track in this case. Still, I think we'll get something set a little closer to the past than the present or future with that book/series.

    Aethers are preshattering and interesting stuff had already happened to them in Lost Metal. Why future?

    5 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

    Possible: Iriali stuff - We know they'll be important for the future of the Cosmere, and maybe this is where we find out why. Maybe the Grand Apparatus was a place meant to be the perfect home for all of the Iriali or something like that.

    That at least explains why the book is future Cosmere.

    2 hours ago, rywall182 said:

    This is a very interesting statement, fascinating even: What could Sazed possibly find disturbing in his correspondence with Mercy? Mercy clashed with Odium, thus implying a willingness to do so again (I think)- so Mercy must have said something further that was off-putting, but what? Bloodthirst seems unlikely given Mercy's intent, pacifism seems possible but hardly disturbing, and a willingness to unite with Odium is flat impossible. I think its likely joins this fight in some capacity, perhaps not as part of the coalition however.

    At the risk of repeating myself: The information we have is that three Shards were present at the battle: Odium, Ambition and Mercy.

    The idea that Mercy was on Ambition's side is derived from assumptions about Shardic intent, not known facts.
    It seems to me that Odium had a point when he concluded that Ambition was dangerous. And Mercy may have shared his view and done the Cosmere a mercy taking Ambition out.

    2 hours ago, rywall182 said:

    Virtuosity splintered themselves, so they are out.

    Not necessarily by that time. That depends on how far in the future YatNP is. In fact, technically we might get the reason for Virtuosity's selfsplintering.

    2 hours ago, rywall182 said:

    EDIT: I completely forgot about Cultivation- She will either side with Team 1, (meaning that TOdium will have done something to piss her off- and I think that very, very likely. Tarvangian did say "Oh you wonderful creature, you have no idea what you have done". That's fairly foreboding.) OR (and perhaps even if Tarvangian upsets her)- she will do as she has done for the past thousands of years- stand aside, maneuvering in the shadows. That being said- she did not always to do- before Honor's death she fought Odium, at least, her agents did- which makes me lean towards Team 1 for her.  

    It seems to me that Cultivation is thoroughly fed up with the rest of the Shards. Her attitude seems like that if the rest think that Odium needs to be stopped, well, then they ought to fight him themselves and she is not going to risk herself and sacrifice her world to contain him. That was Honor's thing, but Honor is dead.

  15. 2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    Now I think of it, it's not even that. Voidlight is a PHYSICAL state of investiture, it's held by a body, it's held by a gemstone in Singer's body. Without a body, they can't hold it

    Debatable. Windspren can glue things together. Whence comes the Investiture to do so?

    2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

    they can't use it.

    You can use Investiture right as you acquire it.

    (Scadrial)

    Spoiler

    That is what allomancers do.

     

  16. 3 hours ago, Elegy said:

    But we'll see. I still see Grand Apparatus as a good possiblity, especially since he talked about almost becoming a scientist in the video without much of a reason to do so (I mean, it was about Words of Radiance, but it still seemed kinda random), and Grand Apparatus sounds like something connected to Invention.

    It wouldn't be a title reveal, if we already knew the title, would it?

    3 hours ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

    Im really hoping for this too. Honestly anything involving one of the shards we havent seen yet would be amazing. I mean come on, theres so many 'missing' right now!

    I am afraid from a tactical, writerly point of view, you want to keep one in reserve, just in case you absolutely need to use one.

    4 hours ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

    Any ideas?

    Valor, Whimsy or Mercy. Assuming that "The Grand Apparatus" is Invention.

    However, if you want a lot of connections, introducing yet another Shard is precisely not what you want. You go to a known, but minor world (as you will tell the stories of the major worlds in future series)

    I also note that releasing the novel in 2025 lets Brandon use the end of SA#5. Hence:
     

    1. Prequel to Sunlit Man
    2. What made U'Tol famous
    3. The fate of the Iriali
  17. 6 hours ago, Nightstar The Bright said:

    Im going to assume that even without a body the Fused can still sing the song of prayer to acquire voidlight.

    The fighting style of Lezian the Pursuer argues against that. He would be a fool to not refill his reserves while being discorporated.

  18. 15 hours ago, alder24 said:

    I think you're missing an obvious solution - no Oathpact and no new Heralds. The Oathpact was proven to be ineffective, it failed spectacularly. We need a different way to stop Desolations for good, something that doesn't involve locking people away for eternity of torture. That's my opinion, there will be no Oathpact and no new Heralds. 

    Honor already WAS on Braize 7000 years ago, just like he was on Ashyn and Roshar. Those three Shards are present in the entire system. Honor/Tanavast was with Heralds on Braize back when they were tortured and it didn't help them at all. 

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    ZuperzubS

    Hi Brandon, just to double check my understanding of things, Odium is still mostly bound on Braize right? Just that he can influence things on Roshar because of proximity?

    Brandon Sanderson

    I treat Braize, Ashyn, and Roshar as if they were almost one entity for a lot of Identity/Connection related issues. It's more than proximity, though proximity leads to it. We on Earth, I feel, would consider the moon and even Mars to be "ours" so to speak, part of our family of planets. Odium's binding, and that of the Heralds/Fused encompasses Roshar and Ashyn. There are some subtle distinctions, but for the most part, being bound on Braize is the same as being bound on Roshar.

    [...]

    Rhythm of War Preview Q&As (Oct. 7, 2020)

     

    • The Heralds have bodies whenever they return
    • The Heralds have bodies optimized for war
    • The Heralds have weapons optimized for war
    • The Heralds have surgebinding, again optimized for war

    All these capabilities come from Honor. We have to be clear on that. Honor chose as lesser evil or actively wanted the cycle of Desolations

  19. On 3/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, alder24 said:

    Radiants require Oaths and Ideals. Spren at first were just mimicking Honorblades - they gave people Surges and Shardblades. There is no issue. Radiants were bound by Ideals, proto-Surgebinders weren't and they could have still had their blades without Oaths.

    That raises the next question. How did Ishar get the Surgebinders or their Spren to swear oaths? Prestige only? Naked threats?

    On 3/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, alder24 said:

    Or shortly before it, but yes. But there were dozens of Desolations.

    Technically yes, but not before the sixth epoch. By that logic Nohadon must have been fifth epoch or earlier, right? And as he personally sees the aftermath of a Desolation no later than the early fifth epoch.

    And if we take the notion that people discussed where Urithiru was to go, the Knights Radiant already existed, when it was founded. Is a Desolation long enough for that?

    On 3/3/2024 at 4:02 PM, alder24 said:

    Possible, but this could have happened even earlier. We don't really know. It would be nice if we know in what Epoch did Nohadon live. Spren could have started mimicking Honorblades during, or shortly after the First Fused Desolation. But I suspect it happened much later, during the second, third or maybe fourth Desolation (it was said that Fused didn't always know how to use Surges, Spren might have started to mimic Honorblades as a direct response to Fused using Surges).

    That would imply that Odium gave the Fused surgebinding but Honor, still alive and well at that time, did not react. It would seem to me that the sequence of events needs to be the other way round. The Spren learn how to bond humans and Odium is forced to counter that.

  20. On 2/29/2024 at 5:18 PM, alder24 said:

    Not really. We know Urithiru existed during Nohadon's times - and that was mostly likely before the Radiant Orders were even established.

     

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    Pre-Shattering magic in books?

    Brandon Sanderson

    Let's see. I would count the highstorms as that. Highstorm predates the Shattering. Now, the highstorm has been changed dramatically by certain events, but the highstorm does predate the Shattering.

    Oathbringer San Francisco signing (Nov. 15, 2017)

    I am sorry, but that is problematic.

    1. The Oathgates were operational.
    2. Operating an Oathgate requires a Shardblade

    You see the issue?

    Furthermore if Ishar established the orders that must have happened during a Desolation, mustn't it?

    Urithiru without the Oathgates makes almost no sense. So what was the sequence of events? If the orders existed in the sixth epoch, the latest time the Knights Radiant could have been founded is in the desolation between the fifth and sixth epoch, isn't it?

    15 hours ago, Lego Mistborn said:

    A moot point, as they were still sentient by the 6th epoch.

    Everyone seems to be misunderstanding the question. The answer is a very simple yes, we know that the must be at least that old. I'm not sure that we're really learning anything new though. I also don't know that the sibling must be younger than the stormfather though.

    The thing is that this constrains the time Roshar was without Knights Radiant to the first very few epochs.

    Do we agree that the Fused must have been equipped with Surgebinding before they returned in the first Desolation that they met the Knights Radiant or they would have been wiped out?

  21. 1 hour ago, alder24 said:

    My prediction is simple - the duel won't happen, Taravangian will outsmart Dalinar and force him to break the terms of the Contest. Szeth and Kaladin will bond a little, Kaladin will help with Szeth's mental health, but they will ultimately fail to get Ishar's help. Shallan and Adolin will go after BAM instead of returning to Urithiru. 

    That would be a reason to reinstate the Oathpact, provided you can disable the Everstorm. Yes, it is not a good idea, but they may run out of options.

  22. 9 hours ago, Master Silver said:

    Day 6: Adolin and Shallon arrive back at Urithiru

    How? This aspect people keep bringing up was always a mystery to me. It took far longer to get to Lasting Integrity. And then they were fresh and had Stormlight. I do not see how they could possibly return in time.

    Nor, frankly, do I see why they would want to. They are in contact with Kalak and have a Seon to report back. Why would Dalinar want them to hurry back? He wants to fight himself. There is no point in cutting himself off an unprecedented source of information just to have his son and a few Radiants back in time for a fight they are precluded from influencing anyway.

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