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  1. before the events in Warbreaker and after the Manywar? It's mentioned in the text he couldn't have returned earlier, implying he was in another world until the events of the book. I tried to find any WoB that might reference this but without any luck.
  2. I'm not referring to the prophecy itself, but rather to the parts of Kwaan's inscription in which he mentions something is tampering with the texts. I can't imagine Sazed going over these sentences, reading some force is manipulating everything and can change metalminds, and not raising an eyebrow. Supposedly the full text of the inscription is available in the epigraphs, but in the epilogue Sazed reads a few extra lines in the last part of the metal slab. I was wondering if there was an explanation to why this was not referred earlier. Again even if we swap the parts Ruin editted the text above still raises a huge red flag. How could Sazed and Tindwyl have missed it?
  3. A significant portion of Kwaan's inscription is missing from the epigraphs, is not referenced in Sazed's notes, and is not shown as having been tampered with by Ruin on the Coppermind article. In fact, only 8 sentences in total are changed by Ruin. If we remove the part above it does sound pretty vague and confusing for Sazed and Tindwyl to decipher. A big part of the book is spent with them trying to figure out if the prophecy is just a legend and why it is so confusing, why Kwaan both refers to Alendi as a trustworthy guy but seems to also doubt him etc. However if we include it, it becomes pretty evident that some outside force is tampering with the writings. Are we supposed to think that Ruin flat out deleted these segments or is there any other explanation? I couldn't find any WoB on this either.
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    Marsh and Vin

    So in chapter 20 of the first book Marsh arrives in Felise to teach Vin some Seeking. At some point Marsh mentions the first time she used allomancy to influence his feelings was 8 months ago in his workshop and Vin wonders why she doesn't remember their first meeting. So, why doesn't she? Is it even significant at all? Am i grasping for straws? It just seems like a random conversation but I can't help feeling there's more to it.
  5. Tin hat on. I think we will see the dawnshard in action. Or a tiny bit of it at least, not eilntirely, not directly... just a nuance of it. This way it won't spoil the novella to those who haven't read it but it will be clear to everyone else. I picture a subtle conversation, pretty normal and innocent on first glance but coincidentally someone stuck for a long time will gently be nudged towards finally getting out of the slog... and I think it will be Kaladin. We know from Syl's interlude he is not better even having spent some time with the surgeons so he still needs some extra help. P. S. Navani and Shallan are also possible candidates for this, the first with her "not a scholar" nonsense and the latter for obvious reason. Although it could be argued Shallan did make some progresss since book 1
  6. I might have not articulated my point very well here. What I wanted to say was that in their core they are humans, in the sense that anyone could become like them given the circumstances which is not very heavenly. Sure they are very powerful and ancient and all of that but given their current state they don't exactly sparkle divine. If your'e referring to Taln, I don't think that counts. No one knew at the time he was even a Herald and I'm sure he's not holding a grudge, provided he even remembers. Well, how about the part where Honor didn't create all life on Roshar and the humans actually invaded it and where Odium was their original God. Also, provided they are at least a bit Cosmere aware, they may also know that Honor is not exactly God in the sense that it's generally accepted. Add all the other nonsense, like safe hands, prayer burning, the callings and segregation and that paints a pretty good picture.
  7. An interesting possibility. It never occurred to me that the SoH might just be a cult within the actual church. Although Amaram seemed like a high ranking SoH member but didn't quite strike me as very reverent in terms of religion. There will surely be several smaller groups each with it's own agenda, but I think a core will remain just with a new focus. Aha, so you think that things will be tucked away. I doubt they would have the ability to keep everything a secret really. As I said above, ardents are everywhere. I can at least see Dalianr having a conversation with Kadash regarding their previous quarrels. They seem to have been pretty close before. I could even see him trying to mend fences with the church's authorities by presenting the Heralds as a proof etc. Imprisoning though? Some people would certainly have the desire to do that but I doubt that will happen. Also we don't know what abilities the Heralds actually still posses, it might not even be possible. Yeah, that is a problem as well. More to the above point then. Even if they never hear anything of the Heralds, which I highly highly doubt, the situation still remains. Their whole system of beliefs is being seriously challenged. Still it leaves room for assumptions and guesses. When your Gods appear and directly disprove the bigger part of your doctrine that's something else entirely. I firmly believe the church was intentionally setting it's position in such a way that it could climb back to levels of absolute power, not in a swift coup d'etat way, but rather slowly, by continuously stripping people outside of it's organisation from tools of influence and power. They haven't exactly come to censoring knowledge and information but are awfully close to it anyway. So, all this could easily be the match that lit the fire.
  8. The Vorin church is pretty unstable. The magnitude of Dalinar's defection as well as the events of OB were pretty rocky for them. Now their Gods have revealed themselves and they have a lot to say, interviewed by non other than Jasnah, the infamous heretic. Not only will they shatter all myths and legends the church is trying to pass as cannon, they've also lived alongside men for so long and witnessed a lot of the atrocities that are probably forgotten/buried. I can't imagine the things being said by the Hearls will be taken as anything other than blasphemy. The whole belief system will crumble. What of the callings and safe hands and everything else? As much as they try to pass for revered, obedient herd the Church has been on a steady rise in reclaiming it's power and authority for the past several hundred years. Yes, they took a great hit after the Hierocracy and was all but brought down to slavery, but when we look at things objectively is it really so? Are the ardents really this timid group of people whose role is to simply enlighten, guide and educate as everyone seems to think. Sure they can't own wealth or property and are merely considered as advisors but that seems to be merely a bluff, a facade. They have infiltrated society on every level and have exclusive rights to vast amounts of knowledge. They hold the ultimate right/secret to soulcasting, they are practically close to every lighteyes of significant status being in on all political dynamics. They hold a firm grip on the majority of intellectuals and scientists (we rarely see an educated person who's not an ardent), readng writing, sword fighting, horseback riding etc. are just a few of the skills they have access to, and they are easily corruptible (proof the Aesudant fiasco in WoR).They excommunicated Dalinar Kholin, considered the strongest, most dangerous person on Roshar, without consulting anyone and without considering any backlash, such is their authority. Even Dalinar himself was sort of tiptoeing around the ardents at some point. So, what happens next? I think that it's inevitable that the Church we know collapses and there's a division, a Schism. God is not god and is dead, the Heralds are simple humans, yes, powerful and ancient, but still humans, now crazy and flawed. The King of the Heralds is dead, more dead than usual at least. This doesn't speak divine to me and won't go without consequences. They are in a perfect position for a move, so will the majority of the ardents turn to a new God in the face of Odium, thus providing a much needed technological boost to the other side or will they separate as an independent force? I think the former is more likely and makes much more sense. New divinity to serve that offers great temptations and a chance to show their slave masters who's who. Sort of like a parallel to the parsh when we put it that way. What do you guys think?
  9. Is she really a problem though? That's exactly my point. What does he care about rumors or his current reputation really? From what he says Gavilar is already above such simple earthly (Rosharly? Rosharian??) deeds. "...I have discovered the entrance to the realm of gods and legends, and once I join them, my kingdom will never end. I will never end...” He ignores his guests, doesn't give audiences, can't be bothered to settle a border dispute and most importantly he doesn't care about Navani's threats that she can ruin his legacy, otherwise he'd threat her better. And what are some rumors about his daughters marriage or lack thereof, compared to that. The way I see it, what he does next will elevate him to such an extent that it will outshine everything else and anyone can say w/e they want. That's what my original point was about that there's a very specific reason he focuses on the marriage thing. Yeah, I think it's more complex than that and I'm not sure she was actually having visions. She herself has said that she was locked in a dark room during that time and the people she loved could hurt her.
  10. I agree that there's certainly some misogyny or ill advised arrogance on Gavilar's side. Still I think it will be kind of bland if it turns out he was a bad guy all along and he hid it. Again for all we know so far it appears there really wasn't enough time for them to grow apart the usual way, so the logical conclusion is that something drastic happened in order for him to shift personalities so rapidly. I certainly don't want a grand redemption arc either but it will be nice if the events unfold with the adequate complexity. Definitely adds more realism. Hmm, I actually haven't considered that he might have needed to buy Amaram's loyalty at all, I just assumed they were already thick. I don't think there's any reason for us to suspect he was afraid of her. I didn't get such vibes from the previous prologues at all. I feel we have two general possibilities here: 1) Gavilar is exactly how we see him. He knows exactly who Amaram is and the strong desire to arrange the marriage is based on that. He wants to tame Jasnah, silence her or simply wants political influence and doesn't care about anything else. 2) Gavilar cares about Jasnah. He's worried she's an outcast and wants to marry her to one of his closest hoping that would be good for her. We don't know how much him and Amaram have mingled so he might be as blind as Dalinar regarding his real nature. Obviously there's a lot we don't know about Jasnah's past but she seems to genuinely love him, which speaks volumes as we're talking about Jasnah and feelings. In any case for a person who moved to the next level and left all the mundane tasks to his subordinates it seems this one particular thing still stands out as pretty important to him. Quick tinfoil again. Seeing as how increasingly more poorly he's been portrayed maybe the strange/secret condition Jasnah had was just him abusing her in some way which is why she developed some sort of Stockholm syndrome. I'm definitely not too serious about it. Although ин мъ минд Gavinor definitely вилл have more of a role in the second half of the series, he'll be in his early teens he has the background and we will likely see him here and there until the end of book 5 too. It also only seems logical that this very obvious conflict is at least brought up if nothing else. Like "Auntie, how come you changed the law and skipped me for the throne?"
  11. I'm a bit late to the party and I see most of the points are already covered but I'd like to share my opinion on the matter anyway. So, the greatshell in the room, Gavilar. I'd love to jump on the hate train, but I think he's not the villain he appears to be at first glance (although those insults towards Navani were absolutely horrendous) and the situation is much more complicated. As covered in details on one of the previous pages, it seems strange, that him and Navani went that quickly from "...not so long ago that they’d sat conspiring together about the kingdom they would forge..." to being enemies. I'd like to imagine that as any real relationship going down the drain, there's not one simple reason for it, but rather a combination of everything. Post kingdom unification fatigue, plus the discoveries about the heralds and other big secrets of Roshar. Perhaps the influence of Odium/the Unmade during Gavilar's hypothetical trip to Braize. Or maybe that's even an act to protect his close ones as someone suggested. One thing in particular struck me as very odd is his strong desire to marry Jasnah to Amaram. He all but left all the ruling to Navani and the others because in his own words " I have discovered the entrance to the realm of gods and legends, and once I join them, my kingdom will never end. I will never end." So, what's the big deal if Jasnah is married or not? That just seems like one other mundane task to leave to someone else. Something smells fishy here. And a quick tinfoil theory. So, it's been pointed several times that Aesudan is not too invested in Elhokar, spends too much time with other men, their marriage is political etc. What if (a good soap opera twist) Gavinor is not Elhokar's son. Books 6-10 will cover his anger that he was denied the throne, his conflicts with his "family", his separation and rise to power, cruelties and so on until finally he finds out he's not a legitimate heir.
  12. So does this means that anyone in the Cognitive realm would be able to do the same? I.e. see the outlines of the Physical world and spectate the events there?
  13. So we have 2 clear first person points of view from the Cognitive realm. One from Secret History on Scadrial and one from Oathbringer on Roshar. Shouldn't the realm follow the same general rules in both places? For example: - there's some inversion between water-land on Scadrial but not all the time; as far as I remember in the first part Kelsier "runs" to the Well of Ascension to try and grab the power, but later when he goes to the Ire the big ocean is actually properly inverted as a landmass; - Kelsier is able to see into the physical realm. In Shadesmar Kaladin and co. are in a totally separate place thhan the Physical realm. Yes the beads are there to represent objects from it but they can't track action in real time like Kelsier seems to be able to. Furthermore at the end of Bands of Mourning when Wax taps the metalmind the view from Kelsier's eyes is this exact thing again, half regular vision and half in the cognitive realm but with the outline of the real world; - souls of the dead passing through the Cognitive realm on Scadrial and being able to interact with people in it. On Roshar I don't remember us seeing any souls appearing neither in Kholinar nor in Thaylena despite the numerous deaths happening at the time because of the battles; What am I missing? I thought it might be because Kelsier was "dead" at first and then a Cognitive Shadow so he experienced things differently than people that just hopped from one realm to the other but he's able to interact with physical objects and people at will (Hoid, Khriss, Nazh, the Ire etc.) who are in the Cognitive realm too.
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