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  1. Fair enough - I personally don't mind either way if Adolin is or isn't special, but I think he will be and I think the story would be the stronger for it, but I respect your opinion on how this would cause issues. One possible solution would be for Adolin to not be the only one, with a few other shardbearers taking the same route after seeing how Adolin has gained skills, but I think that being special in a way that is far less effective than the main series method of being special, especially if that means fighting the jealousy that it can cause in oneself could provide good character growth for Adolin, though I don't think he would need that. I've just made a thread for anyone who want to continue this discussion, though I don't think I will be taking part :-P I don't mind either way, though I think a more enjoyable story lies down one path, rather than another. The thread is over here. Anyhow, I hope this can be the last of this subject on this thread at this point, as I'm curious as to what others think on this point: if Adolin does progress as I theorise he will, would Maya gain shapeshifting abilities?
  2. [The views implied in the title might not reflect the views of the author] So, as per @Chaos's suggestion, I'm making this thread for anyone who wants to talk about the off-topic topic that is sweeping the fando- [hears whispers] ... has swept the fandom, and might be making a comeback, if it never really left. The topic of Adolin, and whether or not he is a good character, a good husband, and a good friend. Overpowered and too perfect pretty boy, unworthy of Shallan's affection and Kaladin's respect, or the only character who can provide a normal human perspective, someone who can connect the two sides? This topic is to discuss Adolin, Adolin and Shallan, and Adolin and Shallan and Kaladin, in the context of how this relates to Adolin. Please, however, whatever you do, remember this one thing: We all enjoy the Stormlight Archives, we all enjoy reading about the characters, and we all agree that some areas of the story are handled better than others. We are all people here, all who like the story, and that it why we are posting here. Remember that, and please remember that it is possible to disagree without arguing, and that what someone types in frustration at the situation doesn't necessarily mean they are attacking you, or meant to attack you. Please, be respectful, and remember, the characters respect one another, so it shouldn't be too hard for their proponents to do so as well. I love you guys, please don't forget to love one another too.
  3. Sorry about the delay in responding everyone. I've been sick over the past week and didn't have enough time or energy yesterday to log on. I see some tensions on an unrelated topic flared up in my absence, and I apologise if my being absent was a contributing factor. I'm just glad that cooler heads of senior members and the moderators kept things in check. I won't address any of the unrelated comments, except on a related point to note to @SLNC that this wouldn't make Adolin "special", any more than a man who has a gun attached to a chain is special. Mistborn Era 2 spoilers: A man with a gun can shoot, but needs the gun, and needs to reload it. A man with a hand that can turn into a gun and which converts their own mass into bullets is at an advantage there, as they have unlimited bullets and can't be disarmed. A man with a gun attached to a chain, however, is at a relative advantage to a man whose gun is simply held, but far less than a man who can change his own limbs. Adolin is the man with the gun on a chain in this example, as anyone with a fabrial has access to the surges, yet would still be an ordinary character. He isn't a Knight and so can't use the surges in the same way, nor does he need to swear Oaths, any more than someone using a fabrial does. He is in the middle, which is where an Edgedancer stands, only he isn't an Edgedancer, but almost. And good luck to yours as well! :-) I'm actually curious about what you think it might be - if you've already posted a topic about it, please let me know :-) Not exactly like an Honourblade, but kinda :-) I think all the Honourblades allow the user to channel the surges with their own bodies, but this would require the surges to go through Maya, in a sense similar to what Higher spren can normally do, as Syl showed with Adhesion. Just to give an example of how I think Adolin could use a surge, the main idea I had was that Adolin would lay the flat of Maya on someone, and then the healing surge would pass through her into them, so sort of the opposite of what shardblades normally do, his would be a blade that heals as well. I would actually like to see Adolin interceding to ask the Nightwatcher or Cultivation to help Maya, though I suspect they might not have to directly interfere to restore her, rather telling Adolin what to do. Thanks :-) Maya probably can be restored by Oaths, though I don't know if Adolin would be able to do that - it might be that saying the Oaths could restore her, but there might be another route Adolin takes that isn't a complete fix, but helps her. I think parts of her are permanently gone, much like in (Emperor's Soul spoiler:) I think that parts of her were lost when the bond was destroyed, and so they can be replaced or patched, but the scars would remain, as would the loss of whatever information was stored in them, unless the spiritual part could be read and used as a template to restore missing memories. One thing that would be very interesting would be if what Adolin does fixes her enough that if he died she would be fully intact again and able to bond a Knight, or at least intact enough to form a proper Nahel bond, and that person completes healing her, but only because of Adolin starting the process. Having to give her up or dying only for that to fully heal her would be rough.
  4. Let it be known that Adolin will be the ultimate Edgedancer, by virtue of not being an Edgedancer. Edgedancers can stand on the finest rope, ride the thinnest cord, and metaphorically straddle the various levels and groups of society. It is only fitting then, that Adolin would fulfil this same function within the Knights, being both Knight Radiant and a normal man, an Edgedancer between Edgedancer and anathema to a spren. Being fully serious now, I was actually also being serious above. Adolin will probably not swear any Oaths, for Maya can't receive them and no other spren will accept him, with him being bonded to a corpse. Maya will become more complete, but never a fully intact Radiant spren again, though more fully grounded in her mind, and more fully bonded to Adolin. He will have access to surges, but only through Maya as a blade - rather than the human using the surges, it will be the blade, so long as he touches her. She will come faster than she currently does, but never fully instantly. He will have plate, but only the plate he currently owns, and never be able to summon plate, as Maya and he cannot without Oaths being sworn. She will become more like a living spren in the cognitive realm, but never fully alive again. He will fill in her missing parts, but she will never fill any cracks in him. They will be part of one another, as any Knight and spren are part of each other, but never the same way as a Knight. He will be admired by spren for reviving her after a fashion (... Adolin and fashion ...) but also despised as anyone bonded to a dead blade would be. Basically, this theory is that Adolin will be - ironically - the best example of an Edgedancer, but without being an Edgedancer, without armour his access to surges could penetrate, and only having surges when touching Maya, with them only working through her as well, healing or decreasing friction or increasing it with what touches her.
  5. Happy Birthday, Ixthos!

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      Ixthos

      Thanks @AxeliustheGreat :-) I hope you also have a great day!

  6. Forgiven :-) I just didn't know what you were talking about. Either way though, we're cool :-)
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  8. @hoiditthroughthegrapevine Thanks for the quotes :-) I wondered the same thing about Roshar's moons and their specific ties to the shards via their associated colour, though I think we will have to wait until at least book 5 before any connection is elaborated on. Also, just to clarrify - I will elaborate further down, but I don't think the phase of the moon would be important for the systems, only that the moon be present either in orbit, or in the same star system. @Jace21 I don't think that Yolen had sixteen moons, though Phobos and Deimos in the real world show that a moon can be very small - either Yolen had one or more moons that were split into sixteen pieces, or they took moons from other planets that orbit the same star Yolen does or, if things changed, the star it originally did. Also, I'm going to edit the original topic to add this part at the bottom to God willing remove any confusion my original post seems to have caused, but I see the shards - not in role, but in structure on how they can use their abilities - like this: Shards have arms, faces/feet, and possibly a heart, which might be the same thing as the faces/feet, or separate from them. This isn't the only thing to their structure, but the parts immediately relevant to the idea The arms exist in the spiritual realm, and so can affect everywhere. They can also be used to sense things, but only in a form similar to "touch", giving general information, but not enough to actively know all the dynamics of what is happening where they are sensing. And just as it is difficult to affect something you can only feel - like trying to draw a picture without being able to see it - and how it is hard to lift a heavy weight without being able to leverage your own mass against it, balancing on your feet, like lifting a heavy box with your arms extended as opposed to lifting it when you can get your feed under it, they can't use their full strength Their faces/feet are mainly in the cognitive realm, but exist in all three realms, or exists mainly in the cognitive but extends into the spiritual realm and physical realm, acting as a portal to their power and attention. Their faces/feet are were their attention is centred, but it is restricted in where it can be or go. It can move freely around a planet, and possibly the star system, but can't leave it, as though tied with a tether. It functions to let the shard see more clearly in the cognitive and physical realm where it is present, and so can provide both more sensory information (letting the arms be able to perform more precise actions), and leveraging the power (letting the power be more focused). This is shown by Vin and Kelsier, and even by Ruin, and is where their bodies materialise if they die or give up being shards, so acting as a portal back to the spiritual realm where their bodies are. I think they can split it to an extent, as shown by Leras when Kelsier showed up, and by Ruin and Sazed when they still had a presence above the planet while interacting on it, but in general it is where their face or faces are located, which is still limited to the planet. Bavadin probably does something different, mentioned below. The planet or star system the shard is present in has a tether to the face/feet, which restricts how far they can move, and also grounds, them allows one or more Perpendicularities to form, and thus for that planet to have a magic system - not because the arms are in the spiritual, but because the face/feet are grounded to it, giving it a magic system that minds can have access to, rather than being background, and the magic system can use those arms - which might actually be the entirely or core of the spiritual realm - to access that power when off world. When on a planet, its like being in a house, while moons would function like a truck. So on the moons or planets you can move freely inside it, but you can't get to somewhere else without driving there, riding along something you can freely move in. I guess the tether would be like having your foot tied to a chain, restricting how far you can go while also making you more a part of the place - especially important in grounding a shard, as the arms being everywhere mean the shard is everywhere, but the face can only be on one place, pumping investiture into the planet - and you would have to cut your leg off to leave. Once in the star system, or in orbit, you can extend the cable further, or the moon becomes part of the cognitive landscape, so the tether ties you to the star system rather than to the individual moon you used, or maybe you still would be, but the tether's length expands. The heart, if distinct from the face or feet, would then be something vulnerable to attack, something which could be damaged to kill you, though not the only way to do so, as a human can be killed from damage to ones heart, or bleeding out from a cut off limb, or having the face wounded badly. This could be where the bulk of the power is kept, if distinct from the face/feet, while the face/feet are where that power is being directed. If this is on a moon, it might become linked to the state of that moon, but it could possibly be moved to the planet, or even if still on the moon, it could still be independent of the face/feet, and not restricting its movement throughout the system, as Odium showed when it - while still bound to Braize - appeared on Roshar in Oathbringer. Bavadin probably cheats by feeling with her arms to find investiture, then uses her arms to make a face out of it, or just sends out faces made at the location of other faces, connected to the power but functioning as an independent mind with its own personality, more so than how Vin described being able to be able to think several things as once, as that is one mind able to perform multiple thoughts, rather than multiple minds, tied to the same power, able to perform those same multiple thoughts. Either the shards can "walk" to other worlds, but might suffer more damage trying to leave the system they came from - and the shards likely were strongly tethered to Yolen at the start - and so make use of moons to reduce how much damage is dealt, or they can't leave without a moon, so they make use of them to arrive in systems, and then might be able to abandon them, or can't because they have become a part of them.
  9. @hoiditthroughthegrapevine I've been meaning to respond to this, but I can't think of anything to add. I like your approach. Great topic, and I look forwards to seeing how this progresses, and if I can contribute anything. So, again, great topic!
  10. Its a bit late, and I'm tired, so I hope I don't come across as testy. I would like to note a few things, and I hope this doesn't come across as rude. I've been going over the part of Hero of Ages where Vin takes up the power, and also thinking back to when Kelsier took the power. Both had focuses their minds had to be to use the power - it could move quickly, but they were limited in where their minds could be. The shards made the planet, but it isn't stated WHERE the matter came from. It could have been drawn from the power of the shards, true, but it also could have been congealed around something. It is an assumption to assume they didn't get the matter from around them, from the oort cloud for example. I'm not making evidence to fit the idea, I'm suggesting where the moon or moons would be if the idea is true. If the idea is wrong, then there isn't a moon. If its right, then the moons likely became the seed. Odium could either travel to Roshar or project himself there from Braize. My theory explicitly mentioned this as noteworthy, that Odium didn't have an issue appearing in the third book. At which point would it have been mentioned? The only information about Threnody in the past was that it had power, and this is also based on the idea that a Sho Del would settle on a planet with humans. Ambition could have been around one of the other planets. The Ire fortress was on the edge of Scadrial's cognitive realm, near the edge of space where steps become parsecs or lightyears. I need to find the exact quote, but Brandon has said either in a novel or when asked that shards can't leave a system without loosing something - if they stay too long on a planet, they become locked to it, and would lose power. I'm talking about moving the focus, the nexus, of their power, which Vin and Kelsier showed was where the power is focused. I'm convinced they can act through on other planets through the spiritual realm, but that they can't use their full power without that nexus being there.
  11. That was moving on the planet - I'm talking about moving from star to star, not around the planet she was invested in. @Jace21 Soulstone is implied to be important though, as the land on Sel is invested, and on Nalthis they have a flower which is implied to be invested. Also, I am talking about moving their focus, their hub - Vin could move it across the planet, but not off of it - not without risking leaving power behind. This is like standing on one spot, but being able to reach out your hand to reach something further away - how much power can be put into the action requires the focus being there - the nexus of power, as Vin thought of it after absorbing the mists. Also, I corrected that a few minutes ago - I mentioned the wrong person. Either way, it is stated that they can't just leave a planet without part of them being lost. To note - I'm talking about the focus of the shards attention - Vin and Kelsier both had a discreet location their minds were present in when using the power. I'm saying that can't move off of the planet without another planet, or maybe it can be it is more effective and less draining - risking not losing power - to simply move the planet or a moon.
  12. Or Nightmare Moons. ... because they ride them, and Odium would be scary, and because Harmony ... Luna ... nevermind ....
  13. Crazy theory time - I'm working on topics for the unmade and voidbinding, on identity and its relation to the cognitive realm, and on cyborg hemalurgy, but those are taking a lot of energy, so I'm posting a crazy theory which I think might be true but also is ... well, you'll see. Basically, the idea is shards use moons or planets to get around, and can't - or can but don't - just move without a physical mass to be a part of, unless it is in the same star system e.g. Odium moving between Roshar and Braize. This theory will first state a few things which support this, and then talk about Sel, Scadrial, etc. and the moons or the lack of moons those systems have. First, a few points to support this. Support this crazy, crazy theory ... On Sel, soulstone is believed to come from the souls of broken gods, and fell at night. It also has flecks of red, which suggests based on how red is used, that it contains corrupted investiture, a mixture of investiture which has been altered from its purpose, suggesting its origins as both actual moon rock, and coming from the two shards. Also, the moon sceptre is tied by function to the different systems, and so implies a connection to the moon and the power. On Scadrial, Vin could feel her power throughout the planet, the world, but didn't seem to feel the power she had further way, so the bulk of her power would have been confined to Scadrial - this is the weakest argument, but included for posterity. While I think Shards can affect distant worlds, and will be using that power at the end of Stormlight five to either kill or imprison Odium, I think that it is suggested that they still can't easily affect things which aren't immediately in their sphere of influence. Shards can move planets, and when Sazed moved Scadrial, he didn't have to run to catch up - he moved with it. Moving a planet or moon means the Shard doesn't have to divest itself of any power it has attached there, and Odium seemed to have little trouble appearing on Roshar from Braize, so it seems hoping or projecting to a nearby planet doesn't entail the same problems. This would eliminate any issues with where a Shard's focus is when travelling between worlds - while their power might warp the cognitive realm - my theory on Silverlight - I think a mobile planet would eliminate any issues with their location in space becoming undefined in the cognitive realm. Now, the systems: Sel - one moon, for the Dor. If it had two moons - one for each shard, they are both combined together now, and the impact of them combining - or if they were both already one moon, of them being splintered - were what spread soulstone to the planet from the moon or moons, which is implied to be invested part of splintering Devotion and Dominion, and its shards are on the planet Scadrial - no moon - the two moons became the core of Scadrial, so both Preservation and Ruin would be bound to it, and also could use them as a base for the planet Roshar - thee moons, three shards, and three moons being an important part of the iconography of the Herald art Threnody - no moon - Ambition fled, and so if it used an astronomical body, it fled with it. If this theory is accurate, and if my theory on Silverlight is correct, this might be present at the physical location corresponding to Silverlight. Taldain - one moon, one multiple personality disordered shard, which orbits in the only way it safely can, perpendicular to the plane of the two stars and planet Please note that this theory says that the shards ride moons or planets, not that every moon has a shard. This also states that they might be able to move without it, but would have issues with the cognitive realm expanding around them as they moved. Also, if the shards ride moons, and if the state of that moon determines if the shard is whole or not, then Odium smashing two moons together could explain how he killed Devotion and Dominion. So, what do you think? Thanks :-) Have a great day! [Edit 1] Sazed, not Vin - corrected mistake [Edit 2] Clarifying the issue that this post originally didn't convey the idea well, so a more detailed explanation of the idea is below - this is copied from a post I added. Also, added reference to the moon sceptre. Shards have arms, faces/feet, and possibly a heart, which might be the same thing as the faces/feet, or separate from them. This isn't the only thing to their structure, but the parts immediately relevant to the idea The arms exist in the spiritual realm, and so can affect everywhere. They can also be used to sense things, but only in a form similar to "touch", giving general information, but not enough to actively know all the dynamics of what is happening where they are sensing. And just as it is difficult to affect something you can only feel - like trying to draw a picture without being able to see it - and how it is hard to lift a heavy weight without being able to leverage your own mass against it, balancing on your feet, like lifting a heavy box with your arms extended as opposed to lifting it when you can get your feed under it, they can't use their full strength Their faces/feet are mainly in the cognitive realm, but exist in all three realms, or exists mainly in the cognitive but extends into the spiritual realm and physical realm, acting as a portal to their power and attention. Their faces/feet are were their attention is centred, but it is restricted in where it can be or go. It can move freely around a planet, and possibly the star system, but can't leave it, as though tied with a tether. It functions to let the shard see more clearly in the cognitive and physical realm where it is present, and so can provide both more sensory information (letting the arms be able to perform more precise actions), and leveraging the power (letting the power be more focused). This is shown by Vin and Kelsier, and even by Ruin, and is where their bodies materialise if they die or give up being shards, so acting as a portal back to the spiritual realm where their bodies are. I think they can split it to an extent, as shown by Leras when Kelsier showed up, and by Ruin and Sazed when they still had a presence above the planet while interacting on it, but in general it is where their face or faces are located, which is still limited to the planet. Bavadin probably does something different, mentioned below. The planet or star system the shard is present in has a tether to the face/feet, which restricts how far they can move, and also grounds, them allows one or more Perpendicularities to form, and thus for that planet to have a magic system - not because the arms are in the spiritual, but because the face/feet are grounded to it, giving it a magic system that minds can have access to, rather than being background, and the magic system can use those arms - which might actually be the entirely or core of the spiritual realm - to access that power when off world. When on a planet, its like being in a house, while moons would function like a truck. So on the moons or planets you can move freely inside it, but you can't get to somewhere else without driving there, riding along something you can freely move in. I guess the tether would be like having your foot tied to a chain, restricting how far you can go while also making you more a part of the place - especially important in grounding a shard, as the arms being everywhere mean the shard is everywhere, but the face can only be on one place, pumping investiture into the planet - and you would have to cut your leg off to leave. Once in the star system, or in orbit, you can extend the cable further, or the moon becomes part of the cognitive landscape, so the tether ties you to the star system rather than to the individual moon you used, or maybe you still would be, but the tether's length expands. The heart, if distinct from the face or feet, would then be something vulnerable to attack, something which could be damaged to kill you, though not the only way to do so, as a human can be killed from damage to ones heart, or bleeding out from a cut off limb, or having the face wounded badly. This could be where the bulk of the power is kept, if distinct from the face/feet, while the face/feet are where that power is being directed. If this is on a moon, it might become linked to the state of that moon, but it could possibly be moved to the planet, or even if still on the moon, it could still be independent of the face/feet, and not restricting its movement throughout the system, as Odium showed when it - while still bound to Braize - appeared on Roshar in Oathbringer. Bavadin probably cheats by feeling with her arms to find investiture, then uses her arms to make a face out of it, or just sends out faces made at the location of other faces, connected to the power but functioning as an independent mind with its own personality, more so than how Vin described being able to be able to think several things as once, as that is one mind able to perform multiple thoughts, rather than multiple minds, tied to the same power, able to perform those same multiple thoughts. Either the shards can "walk" to other worlds, but might suffer more damage trying to leave the system they came from - and the shards likely were strongly tethered to Yolen at the start - and so make use of moons to reduce how much damage is dealt, or they can't leave without a moon, so they make use of them to arrive in systems, and then might be able to abandon them, or can't because they have become a part of them.
  14. Atium can also be melted into bands, like those Rashek wore. Also, Lerasium is the condensed power of the well and the mists, as noted when Vin became Preservation, so Atium smoke would be like the black fog outside the chamber where Vin went to the Well.