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Dalinar was on his 3rd after WoR i thought ? And fourth was in OB then ? Isn't there a WoB post WoR saying they were all on 3 except shallan was one ahead ? That would make Dalinar on his fourth after OB ? Or am i getting mixed up ?

Ya but kaladin knows the words for the fourth ideal, in a year you would imagine he would of reconciled things to the point he could swear it, least in my opinion, Dalinar for instance is on his 4th ideal already, in 6months ? Not a stretch to say he would be on his 5th after a year gap, Szeth on his 4th after few months (will most likely need to choose a different 4th ideal, i know) Shallan in a year surely of coming to terms with her 4th truth etc, while expecting them all to of progressed is probably to much, expecting none to of progressed is not believable

Ya that makes sense, once the characters don't remain stagnant though, thats my main worry with time skips

Ya thats all true in a manner, but its a bit of a stretch to say nothing happens in that year skip that could cause any of what you said, if as you imply nothing of significance happens in that year then there is no point in the time skip to begin with is there ? Can't skip a year and the characters not of changed atal,

I don't like the idea of her having a child during the time skip, honestly i don't even think that makes sense to happen. Does anyone know why there is an in world time skip of a year ? I mean by the time a year passes, surely the likes of kaladin will be on 4th/5th ideal,shallan surely would of sorted herself out a bit, completed her mission regards sja anat, Dalinar be surely on 5th ideal, Adolin (if he is gonna) should of revived maya, Renarins role should of got clarity, bridge 4 should have more radiants, as well as other radiants showing up, list goes on and on.... So why we gonna miss all that, instead of seeing it as it happens?

To be honest the way the wedding was just thrown in at the end screams of just being bad writing, technically they hadn't even been engaged, just betrothed, which isn't the same thing atal. Couple that to the point Adolin thought she wanted Kaladin toward the end it just all seemed rushed. Add to that, that between book 3 and book 4 there is an in world time skip of 1 year, and to me at least it comes across that the whole thing was an after thought and just thrown in for the sake of it.

As someone else said the Everstorm is the means by which Odium countered what Melishi did to the original singers. As for sja anat its still supposition that she can corrupt bondable spren. Why did Odium wait ? In my opinion he was waiting until he had a champion who couldnt be defeated, ie the blacktorn. He groomed Dalinar from an early age, to prepare him for his role. Unfortunately for Odium, Cultivation intervened and ruined that

Renarin is about as unreliable a narrator as Shallan is, and id imagine glys would lie if he was a true odium spren ie the ones the listeners use to create nightform. I agree what you say is most likely what happened but shouldn't be treated as fact when at this point it is just supposition and could go either way. Again thats just supposition at this point, coppernind also calls Renarin a truthwatcher which he most certainly isn't at this point.

Isn't that assuming glys is a corrupted spren in the first place ? Which we don't know for sure ? All spren corrupted by sja anat are recognizable for the spren they used be, when jasnah confronts renarin about glys she has a picture of what the real truthwatcher spren should look like, and doesn't remark on any simularities or even question that the spren just seems "off", she knows 100% its the wrong spren. Couldnt glys be the type of spren the parshendi use to make nightform (least i think its nightform, dont have the book to hand) Isn't it just an assumption sja anat learned to corrupt bond spren ? Or have i missed something ?

Sja- anat didn't corrupt glys though, right ? Sja-anat can only corrupt "lesser" spren, no ? Or did i misread that ?

@Philomath i did say very similiar in one of the threads, can't remember which one, but got shot down by people saying the nahel bond would have to of been formed in order to revive maya. Personally i hope maya isn't revived, i don't partocularily like that arc, might like it more if it wasn't another Kholin being the one to do it, My personal favourite theory at the moment is my own that Adolin becomes Odiums new champion, but most don't seem to like that one, but i think it has a certain symmetry to it. And personally i can see how it could happen.

Dalinar was only able to recieve tbe visions/bond the stormfather because of what cultivation did, she removed Odiums influence on him.

Was looking at Szeth's fourth ideal there; "I will cleanse the Shin of their false leaders, so long as Dalinar Kholin agrees" Is that ideal still fulfilled if Dalinar disagrees ? And Szeth can move on to the fifth ideal ? Or does Szeth need to find something else to swear the fourth ideal to ? To replace that one ?

@StrikerEZ Thanks i guess for taking the time to read through all the pages of this thread. Everyone has there own equally valid opinion on aspects of OB and on OB as a book, whether you or anyone agrees or disagrees is neither good or bad. My opinion is my opinion and i don't need to budge on it as you put it, just because someone else thinks/reads/interprets something different to me. No ones opinion is more valid than my own, and my opinion isn't more valid than anyone else's, group consenus on a topic isn't a valid reason for changing ones opinion. I can explain each opinion i expressed if you want to discuss it, you don't need to agree with them though. As for Dalinar, i find it strange so many think all that was taken from him was "some memories" as you put it, maybe im wrong but seems to me alot more than that was taken. No need to get mad either, just a difference of opinion.

They are already allies so a political marriage doesn't really make much sense and isnt necessary.