Magenta Albatross

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Oops Elim Thug is what I was going for, in reference to Vulture. Definitely rules out the E!Thug Cham idea you raised, which is what I was thinking unlikely anyway. I'm saying that I'm not sure I see a need for a village Thug in the distro in light of a Lurcher, so I'm disbelieving Cham's thug claim.

I... get the impression that people don't care for Albatrosses... Sorry for not being on, let me see if there's anything I can clear up. Lion Why are you the only person who refers to everyone by colour when everyone else uses animal... Just makes things unnecessarily confusing... >> Anyways, I got tied up earlier than I expected, but when I did glance in and did the vote count, Ostrich had already identified as being Aman, so I sorta just rolled my eyes and assumed it was a case of bored villagers that would turn into a more serious voting chaos at the end of the turn. Was a little surprised that it stuck, tbh... Kangaroo Beagle Couldn't quickly find your thoughts, I guess is there any reason why? Scorpion As above, I had a little time while also getting ready to head out for the day, but only ended up glancing once, where I saw someone ask for a vote count, so I dropped that in. What I noticed of the Ostrich thing was, as I said, something that just looked like another Cham, but if anything looked more like bored players joking around with each other. But I then had to keep moving and wasn't going to be on the rest of the cycle so didn't really think any further of it. I asked what FUD was twice earlier in the game, but no one answered... Where were you when I needed you then? As I think I explained earlier, being just behind the leading trains is precarious, particularly when one of the leading options isn't already voting for you. Really wanted to avoid killing people I wasn't suspicious of, and didn't want to accidentally upset the balance in a way that put be at the top of the pack. Felt like there were five new messages every few minutes, so it was more important to me to keep an eye on how thread was changing in case I was forced to defend myself if the balance shifted that way anyway, then lost track of when cycle end. Regarding not considering e!Thug!Cham, that just didn't seem likely to me. I don't recall the specifics of when they claimed, but it felt villagery to me at the time. For an elim, I feel like claiming Thug is a better option when you're not a thug - the thug claim is a fairly strong deterrent for any kill (execution or night kill), so unless there's a bored coinshot who feels like testing the claim, you're probably pretty safe to make the claim if you never give thread a strong enough reason to actively seek your death. An elim thug I'd view as better kept as a secret so that village accidentally wastes an execution, or a village coinshot/mistborn wastes their kill instead of disregarding you because of the claim and increasing the chances of unprotected elim allies getting shot. I mean, I guess E!Cham!Thug is possible, if the claim gets you strong enough village reads from it? But dunno. Feels significantly less likely than the alternatives I did suggest. I'm careful to not show any more information than I intend to share always. It's not my fault if everyone else's poor opsec makes that unusual and suspicious... Pointing out that I do mention Tuatara, but also, when two of the known Spiked died from the inactivity filter and the post is about the chaotic posting right at the end of cycle, doesn't seem so hard to me. Not a lot I can do about if the known elims didn't post at the end of cycle. Though I doubt any vote I'm casting will do any good, not inclined to continue to vote on Lion as their defending of me doesn't seem very elimy to me. More inclined to vote for Chameleon in the end. Had been leaning towards Village Thug, but now that we've seen a village lurcher and an elim spiked, the thug claim seems more suspect to me.

Fwiw, I'm gonna be around for the next 90 min, then I'll be heading off to my place of worship and won't be available for the rest of cycle, so if you need anything from me, ask me before then.

Tally bot got brr Vote Tally Chartreuse Penguin (3): Mauve Crocodile, Opal Lion, Salmon Meerkat Fuchsia Ostrich (2): Fuchsia Ostrich, Quartz Zebra Magenta Albatross (2): Amethyst Scorpion, Chartreuse Penguin Oxblood Beagle (2): Coral Swan, Oxblood Beagle Opal Lion (1): Magenta Albatross Pearl Chameleon (1): Pearl Chameleon Saffron Iguana (1): Sage Kangaroo

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I... honestly thought I had, and was confused why you were saying I hadn't... >> The forum ate the first go at a response so that's probably where it went. I had.

What parts aren't true? I think it's only Pearl that was suggesting that for some reason, because yeah, the D1 vote wasn't at all relevant to Penguin. FWIW, part of the hesitance to commit to a vote was a matter of self preservation - I was sitting just behind Heron and Vulture at 3 votes, and voting Vulture might have prompted Vulture to shift their vote to me, and then anything could have happened in the chaos of the end of cycle. I agree. Well, I've had those sorts of post be useful in the past, but this one didn't end up being. Unfortunately it's hard to know until you've spent the time doing if anything useful is going to come of it. And once you've spent all the time working on it, there's not a lot of point to not posting even when it turns out not to be useful. I was struggling to get past seeing most of the D1 content seeming reasonable, which is why I asked for direction, ending up with this post. Not that it really helps you in thread, but in one of the group PMs, I did commit to a defence of Hyena when everyone else was sussing them.

Well shot Zebra. We also know that Tuatara didn't use their ability D1 either - their vote on Iguana wasn't missing from the vote tally D1, in any variation of it. Thinking I'm going to put a vote down on Lion. After being barely active for the first two cycles, they were suddenly super active during D3, which I think has been the busiest turn so far. They also tried to avoid the Vulture vote, and though briefly voted for Vulture right near the end of cycle, they moved their vote to the other trains once Scorpion followed them to Vulture (which was the last vote on Vulture at end of cycle). Looking back through all of their posts this game, I'm not sure that I saw anything compellingly village either tbh. They ask lots of questions but don't necessarily answer many, have a few weird arguments, and do some info summaries like with the vote tallies.

...that's a lot of corpses. If Dingo hasn't posted since D1, then it's possible the Spiked didn't get any use out of Dingo's seeking. Can't complain too much about that. May as well look at the D1 votes if we've got flips from people who at least posted D1: Which wasn't as useful as I was expecting it could have been... Weasel and Rhino didn't vote even though they posted it turns out.

Basically torn between Chameleon and Vulture. I feel like either Cham could actually be a village thug, or they're a Spiked something else. If they're village thug, more likely that Vulture is a spiked thug. So do I think Cham is a thug or not... Bah. I go to post and it keep saying "5 new posts", and I refresh and by the time I've read, there's more posts >>

Feels like putting it up to the whims of vote manip is not great.

What's FUD? Penguin FWIW. Vote Tally Amber Vulture (3): Salmon Meerkat, Mint Heron, Fuchsia Ostrich Magenta Albatross (3): Amethyst Scorpion, Chartreuse Penguin, Opal Lion Mint Heron (3): Amber Vulture, Quartz Zebra, Oxblood Beagle Pearl Chameleon (3): Pearl Chameleon, Coral Swan, Sage Kangaroo Mauve Crocodile (1): Saffron Iguana Sorry for taking so long to actually post. Trying to reread through thread, and then follow up on trying to understand where votes are coming from, or whatever the deal with Cham has been doing my brain in, resulting in few words for the amount of time spent. >> I've been trying to look at Heron for the last little bit specifically, but I'm not seeing any particular reason for their place in the execution, whether from their posts, or from any of the players voting on them. I mean some have implied that there have been reasons to vote, but I haven't been able to find where those have come from either... Regarding Cham... Sounds like there's multiple sources saying Cham has been claiming Thug in PMs from the start? Mouse did warn me that Mouse might do something weird this turn but was sort of concerned about it. So like, on the one hand, his claims of being a thug trying a thing check out, but on the other hand that doesn't mean that they're necessarily village. (Going to post this now for the sake of the vote count (which I think is accurate, seeing as people keep posting/asking about it/getting it wrong) before finishing the rest of it and trying to get a vote down)

Alright, finally getting back to this. So some of the votes are fairly reactionary - (Meerkat to put Hyena ahead of themselves, Chameleon voting Hyena after Beagle voted Chameleon (although Beagle had moved off by that point, but the turn around is very quick). Other were just bandwagonning. I don't really have the energy to dive into each player right now, so there's limited info I think that can then actually be drawn from the above. I'd want to know why all the people jumping on Hyena were doing so, but they may already have been answered. Probably where I'll start looking next. Would be curious about that if you did have names. (Ah, I see you link them here. Thanks) Doing a read through of thread, feel like I'm like Heron's responses to the Scorpion interrogation. But I do need to read through their posts in more detail. Will try do that next. Would like to hear from Vulture about what their deal is though.

Was working on this at the end of the turn but though I didn't get to analyse it, I need to post it before the forum eats it. Okay, so starting from Mouse's tally here, and updating for the game state an hour prior to the end of cycle, with Hyena and Meerkat tied with 5 votes. 42 min: Zebra votes Iguana (Hyena 5, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2) 41 min: Meerkat votes Hyena (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2) 36 min: Albatross votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2, Iguana 2) 34 min: Heron votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Iguana 3, Scorp 1) 18 min: Chameleon votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4, Scorp 1) Then the other trains fall away. 13 min: Zebra votes Kangaroo (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4) 9 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 6, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 2) 5 min: Beagle votes Hyena (Hyena 7, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 1) 3 min: Chameleon votes Hyena (Hyena 8, Meerkat 3, Iguana 3, Chameleon 1) 2 min: Zebra votes Hyena (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1) 1 min: Ostrich votes Hyena (Hyena 10, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1) 1 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 9, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 2) 1 min: Albatross votes Meerkat (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 1, Chameleon 2)

I'm still not sure I understand the Hyena train >> Will be back later when I feel like I've got the time to unpack what was happening.

I'm not feeling the Hyena train. Meerkat... Meerkat feels like a tourist, and I'm not sure how that makes me feel. Do we execute tourists? Feels like yelling "Get off my lawn" but I don't care to be old >> I like the vibes I've been getting from Cham and Kangaroo, so don't care for those options either. I don't care for the Hyena resurrengce so Meerkat.

Saffron Iguana for science

Thanks for finding them! I had already found them, just needed the time to type up the response that's now in your inbox

I'm not sure I'm understanding what this is saying? Same >> It took unexpectedly long time to get back through thread, and I'm not sure I answered any of my questions. I think my general vibe as less suspicious of Ostrich now, and for all Iguana's been posting a lot, I'm not sure that any of that made much of an impression. Do feel like I need to look at Meerkat more, but I need a break, so we'll dig further there later.

Hey everyone, sorry for checking in so late. Been a busy weekend, and then I spent my SE time trying to look at sources of unlimited power (aka Tallybots). So potentially useful, but certainly not immediately useful for here. Going back and looking at the end of D1, not super keen on some of the last-minute votes getting thrown around. Using Mouse's posted vote tally from here just over 3 hours prior to the end of cycle: Iguana pokes Tuatara instead of Heron, gets a retaliatory vote from Tuatara. I (Magenta Albatross) post my reads of the 4 trains, introducing Flamingo into the mix at 2 hours to go. Chameleon briefly puts Dragonfly in the lead for lurking, coming off of Elephant. Dragonfly posts their large but partial reads list, so Chameleon returns to Elephant. Falcon moves to Penguin from Dragonfly at around an hour to go, bringing Penguin into contention, followed shortly after by Chameleon, removing Elephant from the running, and tying Penguin up for first with Hyena. Then with 22 minutes to go, Flamingo tests the waters by switching to Penguin, so Penguin is at 4 votes while the others have at most 2. Three minutes later, Chameleon jumps to Flamingo, followed two minutes later by Iguana (leaving 17 minutes on the clock) Then 12 minutes later, Iguana returns to their Tuatara vote, leaving Penguin in the lead, five minutes prior to the end of cycle. The only reason that Penguin survives the day is that Ostrich throws out a Dragonfly just before the buzzer to tie things, with Penguin being favoured by the dice when the tied vote was resolved by the GMs. Looking at that, I feel like it's more likely than not that if Flamingo is Spiked, it's only if they're spiked with Hyena or maybe Dragonfly, with their Penguin vote trying to shake things up to give their Spiked buddy a better shot at surviving the execution. But idk, I'm not sure I'm feeling that, and so otherwise Flamingo's Penguin vote makes me feel more villagery on them. I guess then I'd want to know what the deal with Iguana and Ostrich's votes were. Iguana's move kills Penguin without actually taking part in killing them. And then Ostrich seems like they're in a hurry, yet also have paid enough attention to know that Hyena, Flamingo, and Dragonfly are possible trains to jump join to give a chance at saving Penguin, though Swan isn't mentioned I suppose, nor Iguana. So from that I'd be wondering about an Ostrich / Penguin E/E, not that risking outing two elims is necessarily that much better than getting an elim executed D1. Otherwise Iguana is Spiked in a world where Penguin, and probably Hyena, and maybe Flamingo are village, and they felt indifferent about the results. Now to read thread properly to try and process what's been happening this cycle and see if there's any answers to my above questions.

I'm not entirely sure I understand what happened at end of cycle there... But it lost us a Mistborn, which I'm not keen on...

Alright, guess I'll do an iso. Turns out the above 4 players are lower posters Ivory Dragonfly Has posted 3 times at the time of writing. Opening post is mostly RP, and seems to bring up Vulture and Scorpion as part of RP because of their Detective CRs. Neither had posted at that point in the game (early). Next post was about 24 hours ago, sorta halfway through cycle. Retracts on Scorp, seeing as it was a activity poke and they've since posted. Weighs in on the Meme debate, in favour of them. Votes Elephant for having defended Hyena. Only vote on them prior to this was Chameleon, who had an activity poke vote (I think), which they shifted to Elephant prior to this post. Last post was 4 hours later. Tries to encourage Lion to reengage. Responds to Vultures vote for not engaging in discussions yet voting third on the elephant train, and Falcon's bad feeling about their elephant vote. Other votes on Dragonfly have been an unexplained vote from Scorpion (though later moved), and then a vote from Penguin about bows I don't understand. Thoughts Mostly seems a matter of they're a low active or it's a matter of how you feel about their Elephant vote. I'm probably more with Dragronfly, the Elephant vote seems weird. Like, (re: Scorpions vote) I'm not sure that we should actually vote someone out for objecting to someone's playstyle, but voting because of playstyle isn't great either. Regarding Dragonfly's vote, I'm not sure that there's necessarily anything to Elephant's vote defending Hyena, but that's the first valid (imo) vote in that sequence, so I'm fine with the vote. Ultimately, not a lot to go on with Ivory, but I'm not feeling the execution. They've RP'd, they've actually made something of a thoughtful vote, and while they could do with posting more, so could most of the players in this game. Coral Swan 5 posts. Opens with a Smoker claim. Hard to say. Ignoring any speculation of the player, smoker is a pretty safe fake claim I'd think. The post could be of a new player, someone joking around, someone legit just claiming, or someone trying to imply one of the previous as cover from attention. One to muse about but not immediately AI. They then post their name and CR. In response to Mouse's question, suggest going to leave their cloud on but not necessarily smoke anyone else. Do feel slightly more plausibly the village claim I don't care for. Next up, half way through cycle they turn back up, does a little RP, comments on the amount of thread to read through, and votes Meerkat for avoiding enemies. I.E. I think that's Meerkat avoiding posting a reads list. Hrm. I think it's been suggested that they're playing to their Loyalist CR, but I'm not sure I understand, and without understanding it I'm not sure I care for it. So I'm probably okay with Swan's voting for Meerkat. This results in a retaliatory vote from Meerkat. It's not then until Kangaroo turns up to post their one post that we get a second Swan vote. Their reads suggest they view Meerkat as a younger player and feel it likely that elims might find them an easy target to pin an execution on, so susses Swan for it. Unsure why Kangaroo mentions Hyena with Swan and Dragonfly when their post doesn't discuss Hyena, but seems to sus Swan because they think Meerkat would be targeted Elims. I'm not sure I agree with the assessment, but it's not necessarily unreasonable a vote. Sapphire Elephant 4 posts. Opening poke punch vote on Vulture. RP response to Zebra's poke vote of Elephant. The afore mentioned Scorpion vote. I don't like it, as it's on the playstyle thing, but I don't think that AI. Otherwise more RP. Last post asks for elaboration on Scorpion's position on Beagle's NK comment, and then talks a little about not ever having any AI stuff to talk about D1. That was 2/3 of the way through the first day of cycle, and we've not heard from them since. So the votes on them: Poke vote from Zebra (eventually removed), activity poke from Chameleon. Unexplained vote from Mouse (later moved to Penguin, with Elephant appearing on the upper row of the Bread list), Dragonfly's vote for Elephant defending Hyena. Without understanding Mouses vote here, mostly seems an accidental train. Charcoal Hyena 3 posts. Turns up 12 hours late. Vote on the Falcon for the memes. Don't care for this, but isn't exe worthy. Defends it in their next post, but still basically the same thing - not caring for the memes as a method of communication. Last post was to poke vote Dingo for being not very active. Beagle didn't appreciate the late poke vote, Scorpion I'm not sure why voted. Presumably as a gut read, maybe based on the same reason they originally voted for Hyena, the voting for someone's playstyle. Not entirely sure why the original Flamingo vote was placed on Hyena tbh either. So, ultimately not seeing much come out of any of those. Seems messy rather than malicious. Probably more inclined to put a vote down on Flamingo. Only 3 posts. Opens with some RP responding to the Smoker claim, talking about how Smokers tend to get played in Tyrian games (which is nice, but not necessarily AI), throws a vote on Hyena at random in the middle of the cycle. Posts about consulting chickens, responding to Meerkat asking Falcon a question. Less keen on those last two points.

Blergh. I feel like whenever I try and look at the backlog to try and look for clues, my brain just goes to mush, and any of my gut reads go something like "Oh, they talk lots, that seems good." Which don't seem super helpful. Gonna get some sleep now, but for when I wake up return to a state of consciousness can someone ask me specific questions to help to make my brain form opinions on something?

Because there's a lot of noise in thread and it helps me focus a bit better. To continue with this: Kangaroo and Ostrich are the remaining creatures to not post. Tending to like the vibes I'm getting from Scorp. Withdraws vote from Meerkat because of Loyalist claims. (I later realise this is meant to have gone in the summary quote but I can't be bothered working out where now). Was just meant to be a poke vote from me. Didn't pay any attention to how many votes were on them at the time. Don't actually care for their execution though. Falcon. Don't suppose I could prevail upon you to get a vote tally if you're around?