Magenta Albatross

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Oops Elim Thug is what I was going for, in reference to Vulture. Definitely rules out the E!Thug Cham idea you raised, which is what I was thinking unlikely anyway. I'm saying that I'm not sure I see a need for a village Thug in the distro in light of a Lurcher, so I'm disbelieving Cham's thug claim.

I... get the impression that people don't care for Albatrosses... Sorry for not being on, let me see if there's anything I can clear up. Lion Why are you the only person who refers to everyone by colour when everyone else uses animal... Just makes things unnecessarily confusing... >> Anyways, I got tied up earlier than I expected, but when I did glance in and did the vote count, Ostrich had already identified as being Aman, so I sorta just rolled my eyes and assumed it was a case of bored villagers that would turn into a more serious voting chaos at the end of the turn. Was a little surprised that it stuck, tbh... Kangaroo Beagle Couldn't quickly find your thoughts, I guess is there any reason why? Scorpion As above, I had a little time while also getting ready to head out for the day, but only ended up glancing once, where I saw someone ask for a vote count, so I dropped that in. What I noticed of the Ostrich thing was, as I said, something that just looked like another Cham, but if anything looked more like bored players joking around with each other. But I then had to keep moving and wasn't going to be on the rest of the cycle so didn't really think any further of it. I asked what FUD was twice earlier in the game, but no one answered... Where were you when I needed you then? As I think I explained earlier, being just behind the leading trains is precarious, particularly when one of the leading options isn't already voting for you. Really wanted to avoid killing people I wasn't suspicious of, and didn't want to accidentally upset the balance in a way that put be at the top of the pack. Felt like there were five new messages every few minutes, so it was more important to me to keep an eye on how thread was changing in case I was forced to defend myself if the balance shifted that way anyway, then lost track of when cycle end. Regarding not considering e!Thug!Cham, that just didn't seem likely to me. I don't recall the specifics of when they claimed, but it felt villagery to me at the time. For an elim, I feel like claiming Thug is a better option when you're not a thug - the thug claim is a fairly strong deterrent for any kill (execution or night kill), so unless there's a bored coinshot who feels like testing the claim, you're probably pretty safe to make the claim if you never give thread a strong enough reason to actively seek your death. An elim thug I'd view as better kept as a secret so that village accidentally wastes an execution, or a village coinshot/mistborn wastes their kill instead of disregarding you because of the claim and increasing the chances of unprotected elim allies getting shot. I mean, I guess E!Cham!Thug is possible, if the claim gets you strong enough village reads from it? But dunno. Feels significantly less likely than the alternatives I did suggest. I'm careful to not show any more information than I intend to share always. It's not my fault if everyone else's poor opsec makes that unusual and suspicious... Pointing out that I do mention Tuatara, but also, when two of the known Spiked died from the inactivity filter and the post is about the chaotic posting right at the end of cycle, doesn't seem so hard to me. Not a lot I can do about if the known elims didn't post at the end of cycle. Though I doubt any vote I'm casting will do any good, not inclined to continue to vote on Lion as their defending of me doesn't seem very elimy to me. More inclined to vote for Chameleon in the end. Had been leaning towards Village Thug, but now that we've seen a village lurcher and an elim spiked, the thug claim seems more suspect to me.

Fwiw, I'm gonna be around for the next 90 min, then I'll be heading off to my place of worship and won't be available for the rest of cycle, so if you need anything from me, ask me before then.

Tally bot got brr Vote Tally Chartreuse Penguin (3): Mauve Crocodile, Opal Lion, Salmon Meerkat Fuchsia Ostrich (2): Fuchsia Ostrich, Quartz Zebra Magenta Albatross (2): Amethyst Scorpion, Chartreuse Penguin Oxblood Beagle (2): Coral Swan, Oxblood Beagle Opal Lion (1): Magenta Albatross Pearl Chameleon (1): Pearl Chameleon Saffron Iguana (1): Sage Kangaroo

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I... honestly thought I had, and was confused why you were saying I hadn't... >> The forum ate the first go at a response so that's probably where it went. I had.

What parts aren't true? I think it's only Pearl that was suggesting that for some reason, because yeah, the D1 vote wasn't at all relevant to Penguin. FWIW, part of the hesitance to commit to a vote was a matter of self preservation - I was sitting just behind Heron and Vulture at 3 votes, and voting Vulture might have prompted Vulture to shift their vote to me, and then anything could have happened in the chaos of the end of cycle. I agree. Well, I've had those sorts of post be useful in the past, but this one didn't end up being. Unfortunately it's hard to know until you've spent the time doing if anything useful is going to come of it. And once you've spent all the time working on it, there's not a lot of point to not posting even when it turns out not to be useful. I was struggling to get past seeing most of the D1 content seeming reasonable, which is why I asked for direction, ending up with this post. Not that it really helps you in thread, but in one of the group PMs, I did commit to a defence of Hyena when everyone else was sussing them.

Well shot Zebra. We also know that Tuatara didn't use their ability D1 either - their vote on Iguana wasn't missing from the vote tally D1, in any variation of it. Thinking I'm going to put a vote down on Lion. After being barely active for the first two cycles, they were suddenly super active during D3, which I think has been the busiest turn so far. They also tried to avoid the Vulture vote, and though briefly voted for Vulture right near the end of cycle, they moved their vote to the other trains once Scorpion followed them to Vulture (which was the last vote on Vulture at end of cycle). Looking back through all of their posts this game, I'm not sure that I saw anything compellingly village either tbh. They ask lots of questions but don't necessarily answer many, have a few weird arguments, and do some info summaries like with the vote tallies.

...that's a lot of corpses. If Dingo hasn't posted since D1, then it's possible the Spiked didn't get any use out of Dingo's seeking. Can't complain too much about that. May as well look at the D1 votes if we've got flips from people who at least posted D1: Which wasn't as useful as I was expecting it could have been... Weasel and Rhino didn't vote even though they posted it turns out.

Basically torn between Chameleon and Vulture. I feel like either Cham could actually be a village thug, or they're a Spiked something else. If they're village thug, more likely that Vulture is a spiked thug. So do I think Cham is a thug or not... Bah. I go to post and it keep saying "5 new posts", and I refresh and by the time I've read, there's more posts >>

Feels like putting it up to the whims of vote manip is not great.

What's FUD? Penguin FWIW. Vote Tally Amber Vulture (3): Salmon Meerkat, Mint Heron, Fuchsia Ostrich Magenta Albatross (3): Amethyst Scorpion, Chartreuse Penguin, Opal Lion Mint Heron (3): Amber Vulture, Quartz Zebra, Oxblood Beagle Pearl Chameleon (3): Pearl Chameleon, Coral Swan, Sage Kangaroo Mauve Crocodile (1): Saffron Iguana Sorry for taking so long to actually post. Trying to reread through thread, and then follow up on trying to understand where votes are coming from, or whatever the deal with Cham has been doing my brain in, resulting in few words for the amount of time spent. >> I've been trying to look at Heron for the last little bit specifically, but I'm not seeing any particular reason for their place in the execution, whether from their posts, or from any of the players voting on them. I mean some have implied that there have been reasons to vote, but I haven't been able to find where those have come from either... Regarding Cham... Sounds like there's multiple sources saying Cham has been claiming Thug in PMs from the start? Mouse did warn me that Mouse might do something weird this turn but was sort of concerned about it. So like, on the one hand, his claims of being a thug trying a thing check out, but on the other hand that doesn't mean that they're necessarily village. (Going to post this now for the sake of the vote count (which I think is accurate, seeing as people keep posting/asking about it/getting it wrong) before finishing the rest of it and trying to get a vote down)

Alright, finally getting back to this. So some of the votes are fairly reactionary - (Meerkat to put Hyena ahead of themselves, Chameleon voting Hyena after Beagle voted Chameleon (although Beagle had moved off by that point, but the turn around is very quick). Other were just bandwagonning. I don't really have the energy to dive into each player right now, so there's limited info I think that can then actually be drawn from the above. I'd want to know why all the people jumping on Hyena were doing so, but they may already have been answered. Probably where I'll start looking next. Would be curious about that if you did have names. (Ah, I see you link them here. Thanks) Doing a read through of thread, feel like I'm like Heron's responses to the Scorpion interrogation. But I do need to read through their posts in more detail. Will try do that next. Would like to hear from Vulture about what their deal is though.

Was working on this at the end of the turn but though I didn't get to analyse it, I need to post it before the forum eats it. Okay, so starting from Mouse's tally here, and updating for the game state an hour prior to the end of cycle, with Hyena and Meerkat tied with 5 votes. 42 min: Zebra votes Iguana (Hyena 5, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2) 41 min: Meerkat votes Hyena (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2) 36 min: Albatross votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2, Iguana 2) 34 min: Heron votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Iguana 3, Scorp 1) 18 min: Chameleon votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4, Scorp 1) Then the other trains fall away. 13 min: Zebra votes Kangaroo (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4) 9 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 6, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 2) 5 min: Beagle votes Hyena (Hyena 7, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 1) 3 min: Chameleon votes Hyena (Hyena 8, Meerkat 3, Iguana 3, Chameleon 1) 2 min: Zebra votes Hyena (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1) 1 min: Ostrich votes Hyena (Hyena 10, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1) 1 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 9, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 2) 1 min: Albatross votes Meerkat (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 1, Chameleon 2)