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  1. To be fair, I thought that the Coinshots were oddly and impausibly useless and that they should have been able to use the "Mistborn roads" when I first read the first Mistborn trilogy, so I was kinda glad to see the ability used logically in the second one . In fact, the opponent allomancer teams in first Mistborn just weren't sufficiently skilled, full-stop. I now rationalize it with the fact that both Kelsier and Vin had to become very coordinated and used to making split-second decisions in order to survive and very successfully leveraged these pre-existing abilities as Mistborn. Whereas the enemy were nearly always "gentlemen-allomancers" who lacked both motivation and experience to truly plumb their abilities. The Coinshots in particular would have needed much more training to do what Wax does, because they couldnt protect themselves from or minimize the results of their mistakes by burning Iron and Pewter. But if they had dared to move around like the Mistborn did (and Wax does), in order to accumulate that experience, they would have immediately become targets for the Mistborn from the rival families. So, it wasn't deemed worthwhile for them to invest the hard work into developing these skills. What I found disappointing in the Second Mistborn series and still do, somewhat, despite loving it otherwise, is the low percentage of Metalborn and Our Heroes of course being those lucky enough to be born with super-rare abilities yet again. I see the logic, both in and out-of-world for splitting the abilities so that only Mistings and Ferrings exist and agree with it. But I really don't understand why Harmony didn't make everybody a Ferring when he remade them, with a percentage still being born a legacy allomancer, or very occasionally, a Twinborn. IMHO, a setting where everybody has magical abilities and it is really mostly up to inventiveness and skill of the protagonists with what they have, rather than a rare inborn gift, would have been refreshing. And there still would have been sufficient incentive for certain developments.
  2. As has been already mentioned, he can heal, but he also can fly, after a fashion. He is a , after all. His Cryptic will give him soulcasting as well. As far as I can see the one other Order whose power-set might have been interesting to him and whose Oaths are bound to be rather flexible are the Willshapers. Transportation could have been extremely useful to any worldhopper, but is invaluable to one who can power it with the investiture that is readily available to them, as Hoid doubtlessly can. However, he also seems to aim for getting magic from as many Shards as possible, so he needs to ration his spirit-web, maybe. How much powers can he stuff in it, before it breaks apart like a rotten cloth? Also, it is possible that adoption of an "orphaned", just transferred to the physical spren, which couldn't afford to be too choosy was the only situation where he could form a Nahel bond at all. As to why he wouldn't just nab one of the Honorblades - maybe he knows that they are needed on Roshar to fight Odium? Or maybe because unlike the Nahel spren, who are all, with a possible exception of the Stormfather, a mix of Honor and Cultivation, the honorblades were of Honor alone.
  3. So, both of you guys are ignoring the obvious source of gems needed to fuel the Industrial Revolution - mining. After all, what happened to all the _previous_ generations of chasmfiends? Where are their gemhearts now? We have seen in the Kaza interlude lots and lots of large gemstones just lying around on Aimia, which is rather odd, because shouldn't they be covered by crem? And in other parts of Roshar they likely are. I imagine that Rosharans will figure out a way to scout such deposits from Shadesmar and mine them in the physical world. And yea, given the Urithiru pillar as an example, experiments with melting gemstones to try to make bigger ones artificially are sure to follow. That's not to say that breeding animals producing gemhearts is out of the question either - I strongly suspect that it was a part of why the ancient Radiants were associated with larkins/lanceryn. Of course, lanceryn were valuable for a number of reasons, but it wouldn't be surprised if providing a steady supply of large gemhearts was one of them. Gunpowder would be that much more dangerous to work with on Roshar, though, and I doubt that it could be used to produce firearms. And also, the most belligerent and martial cultures were until now deeply invested in their hierarchical structures and shard supremacy, so they probably wouldn't even have looked into something that allowed the plebes so much easy destructive potential. After all, we have iRL examples of cultures turning away from technological and military advances because they felt that those would destroy the status quo - China, Japan, etc., so this is quite realistic. Anyway, I suspect that gunpowder is going to make an appearance in SA, as an explosive only, and one of the few things that would allow normal people to hurt the Fused. Heralds versus the Fused failed and Radiants versus the Fused failed, because neither could have been everywhere at once and it is much more difficult to effectively defend a large territory and infrastructure than to attack it. Only if the normal soldiers can hold ground against the Fused, even if it is more like fighting tanks with hand grenades, can the usual civilzation-destroying paradigm of the Desolations be overcome, IMHO. You would have been so dead with the 19th century Western surgery! In some ways, the doctors were more dangerous then than their earlier counterparts, as they had routine opportunites to practice with cadavers, but often didn't wash their hands or instruments before switching to a live patient. Which is why childbed fever, among other things, was such a killer for hospital deliveries. This doctor's story: is quite eye-opening (and hair-raising!) in that respect. Horrifyingly enough, the principles of aseptics and antiseptics and infectious theory of disease didn't become widespread until the early 20th century - i.e. iRL creation of synthetic gems actually _preceded_ our understanding of principles contained in the "Wisdom of the Heralds", which you say is aimed at "stone-age people". History is funny like that!
  4. Maybe putting a priming cube in a tightly sealed aluminium container would preserve it's charge indefinitely? Perhaps it would be possible to use medallions for either zinc allomancy or feruchemy and/or removing Identity? Yes, you'd need to have people filling in unkeyed metalmind, but it shouldn't be that onerous, with compounding. And even if mental speed decreases lifespan, it still might be worth it, for certain things. After all, bendalloy allomancy does, yet people still use it. But strenuous mental activity causes hunger even iRL, yet it actually helps to prevent mental deteritoriation at advanced ages, so using zinc feruchemy may not be damaging at all. Oh, and gold feruchemy would heal the damage, whereas it couldn't reverse accumulated extra age of burning bendalloy. Now, I wonder if F-steel also causes accelerated aging - logically it should, right? Maybe that's something that would finally limit the apparent OP-ness of a steel compounder... Or even have the same mechanism moving heat from your fridge to your radiator, maybe?
  5. Yes? But it is impossible for me to imagine that a substantial number of Radiants would have refused to fight and defend civilians during the Desolations, when casualties were so very high, the need to kill the Fused as quickly as possible so very urgent, and something that only the Radiants and the Heralds were really capable of doing. No, the Stormfather is quite explicit in the chapter 38 of Oathbringer "The Broken People" that Taln was : By the process of elimination, Chana is the Herald who could have only been a general. Well, Jezrien could have been a king and a general both, I suppose, but there never was any hint of Chana having been royal or a scholar so only a general remains as the option for her. Her being famous for her athletism - the swiftest runner, etc. also fits with this. Yes, she is associated with "the Guard" in Vorinism, but her Blade's surges put her more in "artillery" department, I'd say. The only Herald who could have been a simple personal guard in his prior life is Taln himself, which would explain how he could have had an opportunity to fall in love with princess Shalash. I hear you about Balat, though it doesn't seem to me like he is necessarily socipathic. In fact, he likely would have quickly escaped the horrible Davar household or gotten the better of Lin in such a case - he was clearly pulling his strikes during their fight, because despite his fury and fear he couldn't bring himself to truly harm his father. But OTOH, I am not really seeing what would qualify Lirin for being a Dustbringer, whereas I see quite a lot, surpisingly, that hints at him plausibly becoming a non-traditional Stoneward. With Redin I see it, and the Herdazian general's escape artist tricks do hint at him having Abrasion. With Lirin there just isn't anything there, except for your laudable desire to rehabilitate the Releasers . IMHO, YMMV.
  6. Well, judging by the the in-book WoR quotes, the Stoneward epigraph from the Urithiru archive and by the prominent Radiants so far, the attributes do roughly describe the prominent Order traits. And from what we have seen of the Heralds, it seems that they, again roughly, matched their defining personal qualities back in the day. I can't imagine that this could have been the case during the Desolations, which led to up to 90% of general population casualties. Jasnah's sources, of course, are post-Aharietam, and by then it would have been more feasible to have large part of the Radiants in the non-combatant support roles, even during the conflicts with the parsh. From Ash's PoV we know that Taln was the only Herald who hadn't been a general, a scholar or royalty. By the process of elimination, Chana must have been a general. Now, back to the the actual title of the thread - personally, I noticed how in the chapter reading Lirin was repeatedly compared with stone. Then I thought about the divine attributes of Talenel: dependable and resourceful, as well as how both he and the Stonewards were consistently associated with self-sacrifice and stubborness. And then it struck me that Lirin fits these traits to a T and that he would make a non-traditional, but very true to form Stoneward, with the cave-out that we don't know their Ideals yet. The semi-canon "I stand where others fall" has already been very much in evidence, though not in the context of physical battle, but the battle of principles. Speaking of potential Dustbringers other than those in Lirin's new chapter - I always liked the suggestion of Redin, the bastard of Veden Highprince and briefly king Valam, who had to kill his father on the latter's orders. Balat Davar might be a remote possibility too. Maybe the guard captain from "Edgedancer"?
  7. This seems very plausible. Kelsier could have been sitting in a duralumin-enhanced cadmium bubble after his stint as the Sovereign if he wanted to skip actually living through the centuries of the necessary technological ramp-up. Just creating the technology himself or making a big contribution towards it likely went against both Kelsier's and Harmony's core beliefs. There is also this new WoB about Hoid: So, yes, it does seem like something that can be figured out and replicated by absurdly powerful and knowledgeable individuals - and as a sliver of the full Preservation Shard (as opposed to TLR who only ever held a part of it's power and for shorter amount of time) Kelsier certainly qualified.
  8. Gavilar was open and honest enough to Taravangian for him to understand what was coming: WoR, I-14, Taravangian: And OB, of course, put Amaram in the same room where this explanation was presumably happening.
  9. I am among those who were greatly perplexed and disappointed by the Amaram's role in OB. Yes, Sanderson tried to make it kinda sorta maybe plausible, but there are still many incongrous elements, some of them even introduced or reinforced in OB, oddly enough. Basically, it is only after I have read the author's comments on writing on his homepage where he revealed that Amaram was supposed to die in WoR to Iyatil, while Sadeas was supposed to survive until very late into the writing process of that book, that Amaram's arc in OB started to make sense to me. He was just forced into the Torol-shaped hole there and did stuff that was meant for Torol. This perfectly explains all the contradictions and ommissions that made his plot look so contrived to me. One of which was the complete absence of any evidence of the past great friendship between Amaram and Dalinar, so touted in WoR. In fact, in the current timeline there is no room for any such relationship to have ever evolved. OTOH, we got plenty of Dalinar - Torol friendship scenes, which retroactively illuminated their interactions in WoK and WoR in the new and interesting ways. Also, all the intriguing hints at Amaram's hidden depths, like his secret scholarship, his flute collection, his cordial relationship with his household etc. were comprehensively ignored. As well as the elephant in the room - his relationship with Gavilar and how he knew about the basics of Dalinar's revelations for years prior to their release to the public - possibly for as many as a decade, even, and how it informed his actions. Except that Amaram knew about the visions for at least 6 years - from Gavilar. Just as as Taravangian did. Oddly enough, OB only confirmed this point by showing the 3 men together on the night of the assassination - and we had been already informed that that's when Gavilar confided in Taravangian. Now, Gavilar may not have related his visions in as much detail as Dalinar, nor prioritized the same things as his brother. However, Mr T. certainly got the jist of it. I cannot be the only who expected the protagonists conflict with Amaram to be rooted in the comparison and clash of Gavilar's version and interpretation of the visions with Dalinar's, rather than just in personal animosities. Yes, the Amaram of WoK and WoR was very much in the same boat as Taravangian, working from the same information in Gavilar's visions but with the Vorinism-focussed approach. OB Amaram is very much Sadeas-redux - possibly because Sanderson decided that there _was_ too much similarity between Gavilar's 2 confidants and that it would have been repetitive. However, I feel that a religious strife angle between the Vorin true believer and Dalinar's factions, despite both also being against Odium, would have made it fresh enough. I have recently read a historical novel about the start of Dutch struggle for independence against Spain and how despite calvinists, lutherans and moderate catholics all being opposed to the Inquisition, their mutual distrust and disagreements constantly prevented the formation of a common front and made Spanish Netherlands, as they were then, an easy prey for the Duke of Alba. I now realise that I have been expecting something like that from the OB, with Dalinar in the role of William the Silent, trying to forge all those disparate elements into an alliance. Nope. The whole story of Tanalaan Jr. and his later claims that Dalinar "stole" Oathbringer from him demonstrates why Amaram didn't ask Kaladin for the shards, after Kal made it clear that he wasn't going to take them up himself. And I very much doubt that he would have done anything except recruiting Kaladin into the Sons of Honor, or trying to, if the latter claimed the shards for himself. Kaladin, after all, proved himself worthy in the proper Vorin way and had quite a reputation besides. But letting the shards go to some random dark-eyed soldier was too much for Amaram - and even then he had to be persuaded by others. Which already puts him ahead of many nobles in the books conscience-wise. Not to mention that Amaram at that time was in a very similar situation to Jasnah in WoK and early WoR - he knew that the Final Desolation was coming and that they needed to prepare, but also that nobody would listen to the few SoH who were in the picture after Gavilar's death. That was likely the light in which the theft of the shards was presented to him by Restares. For the greater good, etc. I find the claims that Jasnah would have been among those who knew Amaram best to be ironic, BTW, because there was so much that she didn't know about him. Like his hidden scholarship, which Shallan found to be pretty impressive, heh. It is also not clear to me why Amaram would have concluded that he could never become a real Radiant after WoR? Except that OB, oddly enough, undermined this notion by revealing that Tien's death was the result of an actual Skybreaker conspiracy, rather than just of the negligence on Amaram's part, as it seemed previously. I have wondered whether Sadeas got wind of Amaram's theft of shards and was referring to it. Or something else that had to do with SoH. We'll never know, I guess. Sure, OB tries to present it that way, but it is oddly jarring when one remembers that he wasn't particularly discouraged by either issue in his PoV in WoR and was actually rather optimistic and upbeat heading out to Urithiru. Certainly, he was more disconcerted by Taln's dark eyes than by his madness. And Amaram's knowledge of whatever Gavilar was up to + Taln should have been more than enough to secure him a hearing from Dalinar, despite everything. Which seemed to be his intention in our last glimpse of him in WoR. But in OB, it was as if he suddenly forgot all about his main trumps for gaining attention of the Kholin family. Heck, even if he did flip to Odium, he still should have used these assets! IMHO, the main issue with Amaram's character was that he was never intended to be more than a catalyst for Kaladin and a source of intriguing hints of mysteries surrounding Gavilar and the SoH, rather than a rounded, consistent character. Having fulfilled his function, if he had died at the end of WoR as originally intended, he would have retained his illusion of depth. As is, with Sanderson not yet willing to dive into the secrets of the SoH and needing Sadeas' arc to be completed despite Torol's death, Amaram mutated into an awkward replacement-Sadeas, with barely anything of his original distinguishing traits remaining. And his duel with Kaladin was pure fan-service with the shades of a JRPG mini-boss fight.
  10. If Sanderson goes for even a marginal plausibility with this, rather than the comedic effect , then neither of them can be the kid's primary caretaker, since both have very demanding, time-consuming jobs. Gavinor should get a nurse - likely a widow of some junior officer fallen in battle, with a child or 2 of her own, for him to play with. OTOH, I also like Hesina (and Oroden) for the task, should she ever get to Urithiru. Nightblood is going to be important. I don't expect it to get a viewpoint, apart from an odd Interlude, perhaps, but it is already heavily featured in Szeth's PoV and also gets some stage time in Lift's. IMHO, Nightblood will be instrumental in permanently removing some of the Unmade from the game board, since trapping them is clearly just a stopgap, which will lead to constant attempts by Odium's side to release them again. Vasher, I am less sure off. He might be mainly there to introduce and explain Nightblood. I expect him to perform his miracle at some crucial point in Book 5, but beyond that he might not appear much. OTOH, there is a WoB that he didn't figure out how to Awaken with stormlight _yet_, so maybe he will in the future and will play a more substantial role in the narrative as an exotic artifabrian? Anyway, here are my other predictions: There is going to be an expedition to the Horneater Peaks, culminating in the fight for Cultivation's Perpendicularity, which is going to be cleared of the Fused and the Voidspren. Somebody - Dalinar? is going to become an ambassador to the spren and travel Shadesmar, trying to convince the reluctant ones to commit to Radiancy again and to talk some sense into the Highspren. Vivenna is going to finally re-enter the physical realm of Roshar. Rlain is going to find the Listeners who refused the stormform and, hopefully, also the Parshendi children who have been inexplicably missing from the narrative so far. He may also find the surviving stormforms and convince them to eject their voidspren, before it is too late and/or to refuse to house the Fused. He might also go on undercover missions among the new parsh. He'll at least begin becoming a Bondsmith, though, personally I prefer him for the Nightwatcher's one, as I think that the Sibling's one is supposed to stay in Urithiru. He'll become the bridge between the listeners/singers and the humans. Jasnah is going to move back to the camps and will have her hands full dealing with the waves of refugees from the southern Alethkar, ardentia, the nobles, etc. and trying to grow enough food to support them all, while fending off the Fused raids, as Urithiru can't manage this until it becomes fully functional. Teft and his squires are going to help her with protection of the people. Some of her Veristitalian pen-pals are going to join her - I am tipping on the Thaylen pastry-chef in particular, in order to help her with her research and become her squires. Generally, we'll see the Radiants working with and learning from each other, as well as a good number of new Radiants and squires. Szeth is going to teach everybody about the basics of all the surges and how to work with and against them. They'll also set up a big ice-rink at Urithiru and skating will become the new rage! Shallan will take over the intelligence-gathering for Kholins from Jasnah and balance precariously between it and her work for the Ghostbloods. She will have to find out the full truth about her family's past, confess what happened with their mother to her brothers and make her peace with their reactions - which will likely range from forgiveness to hatred and breaking of ties. This and only this will allow her to truly accept and incorporate her most recent Truth. Her work with Sja-Anat will lead to the important insights about the Unmade, though I am half-convinced that the whole defection story is a trap. It will also, hopefully, give us a glimpse of the Ghostbloods goals and maybe a hint of their origins. I hope that Ishnah will become her squire and a friend - we need some lighteyes - darkeyes friendships among the women too, but I am very much afraid that she is a Ghostblood plant. Kaladin, I see gallivanating around the continent on heroic quests, though I very much hope that he makes moving his family to Urithiru a priority. He'll be finally able to swear his Fourth Oath towards the end of the book. Another Herald will die. Not touching Adolin predictions with a 20-foot pole, as I don't want to provoke an eruption of "triangulations", but I do have some ideas about him too .
  11. According to the honorspren Notum in Oathbringer, spren can be tortured in the Cognitive Realm, so maybe the the same methods can be applied to the Heralds when they are in cognitive state?
  12. Indeed, but I assume that he also had his methods of indirectly dealing with the budding surge-binders without criminal past, or there would have been more of them around than just Jasnah. Like what happened to Tien, for instance, now that it has been confirmed that he had become a Lightweaver and that the Skybreakers were implicated in his demise. We also know that Jasnah has been the target of many assassination attempts, some of which may have been engineered by the Skybreakers. I'd also point out that Lady Davar's friend, the alleged Skybreaker acolyte, didn't attack Shallan himself, but merely restrained Lin. Which would be in accordance with Nale's twisted "letter of the law" approach. He had incited somebody under his influence to do the deed, but stood aside himself.
  13. Well, IMHO the Bands are special and they also had a lot of F-Zinc stored for massively increased and speeded-up multi-tasking. Not to mention that she couldn't have really tapped _everything_ because there were no monstrous speed/slow bubbles, nor did she burn all her metals in a single explosion of power, nor did she see any A-gold/electrum effects, etc., etc. I dunno - IMHO burning bronze or copper during battles would have been quite helpful, but IIRC Vin almost never did the former, so that she had to recognize the types of enemy mistings by other means, and only did the latter during infiltrations. Using emotional allomancy to distract human opponents during a fight and to undermine their morale would have been useful too, but neither she nor Kelsier ever did so. Yet both of them were exceptionally skillful Mistborn, both due to allomantic affinity and because their prior lives honed their reflexes, coordination and ability to make split-second decisions. Their Mistborn opponents were far less impressive and also didn't use many powers at once - it was usually just pewter + steel or iron + sometimes atium. Even the Inquisitors weren't much better in that respect. All of this leads me to assume that there are (cognitive?) limits. Which is good because limits make things fun. It would be boring if being a Mistborn was an automatic "I win" card. I also very much hope that experienced mistings can do more with their one metal than a Mistborn can with that same metal. After all, a Mistborn has so many others to fall back on. Era 2 Coinshots move around like Era 1 Mistborn used to, but they don't have Iron or Pewter to bail them out and protect them from injury if they make a mistake. The question is - would the Mistborn be able to juggle medallion powers along with all their native abilities? At the same time? I hope not. And also - which powers would be available via the medallions? And for how long? We have only seen those providing F-iron, F-copper, F-brass and F-duralumin tuned for translation so far in Era 2. Which is why I didn't take medallions in consideration during my anti-Mistborn team-building - there is so much that we don't know about them yet.
  14. Hm, a lot of it would depend on such yet unknown limitations as what powers would be available through medallions and whether there is any limit on how many different powers, both native and device-based, one can use at once. IIRC, in the first Mistborn trilogy the protagonists burned only 3-4 metals at a time despite being exceptional Mistborn, so maybe there are unavoidable drawbacks to trying to use more simultaneously. Also, they never actually took advantage of electrum's predictive capabilities in battle, but only burned it to disrupt atium use by their opponents, which makes me think that it takes serious skill and concentration, not to mention quick reflexes, to do so. So, discounting all such considerations, my team would lean heavily towards Ferrings, as Feruchemy would be much more difficult/impossible to detect by the Mistborn burning bronze: For my one Twinborn, I would choose an A-bronze/F-tin combination with a sniper rifle, aluminium bullets and metalminds full to bursting and/or implanted within the body. There is a WoB that allomantic bronze sense can be stored in tin metalminds like any other sense - which means that this Twinborn mould be able to detect the Mistborn's allomancy without giving themselves away and punch through the latter's copperclouds ditto. And, of course, also massively dial up selected other senses as needed. Frankly, this agent alone should be enough to rid Scadrial of a murderous Mistborn, unless we are speaking about Kelsier. But as for others, I'd probably chose F-steel for obvious reasons, F-duralumin to canvass witnesses, F-zinc for planning and, depending on how Fortune works, one of F-chromium or a second F-steel. If I was allowed a second Twinborn, I'd go for the A-steel/F-steel one.
  15. Indeed. In addition to this, Jezrien not only was their leader, but is worshipped as the only god (instead of Honor) in large parts of Roshar, while Kalak is similarly worshipped in others, for some reason. There is nothing comparable for the female Heralds. Oh, and in one of the epigraphs in WoR, I think, it was again Ishar who was looking for the ways to preserve knowledge between the Desolations, so that might go to his credit too. As to the Everstorm, something needs to be done about it either way to gain the 10-year-long respite, so I can only assume that dealing with it will be part of the climax of book 5.