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  1. A very nice tidbit anyway.
  2. Also, the northern Scadrian population is very small compared to that of industrial countries iRL in late 19th - early 20th century. 5 - 10 millions all told, IIRC. Therefore, they also have a rather limited talent pool. It is entirely likely that there never had been a zinc Ferring scientist, because what are the odds that these 2 somewhat rare talents coexisted in a single person and that person actually had an opportunity to get education? Particularly since the they apparently went with the anglophone tradition of an expensive independent university, rather than cheap/free ones funded by the state like in other countries.
  3. Well, the answer is that you'd need to find a way to transform stormlight into solid state. That would be Honor's god metal and you'd be able to produce it in small enough chunks to burn.
  4. They need be neither full Feruchemists nor even natural Ferrings as long as they have access to the South Scadrial medallions. Or spikes, I guess. We only saw Axindweth use Connection - both to speak languages and to quickly worm herself into the confidence of strangers, so she may have been a Connector and different kinds of Connection would have required different storages. But she could have also had a medallion or three, or a spike or three instead of or in combination with it. BTW, we saw a number of rather murderous Ferrings in the Second Era books, so they aren't all pacifists.
  5. But Moash isn't some champion of the Darkeyes rights - in fact, he is perfectly OK with them being enslaved - as long as it isn't by the Lighteyes. He casually murders some in RoW and if the Fused decide to massacre the "useless mouths" among them I wouldn't expect him to object either.
  6. Maybe some Elsecallers and Lightweavers and their spren decided to transform the spren into soulcasters as an alternative to the Recreance? After seeing the havoc that the deadblades unleashed upon the world and wanting to leave behind something useful for peaceful endeavors instead. BTW, unlike the healing fabrials the soulcasters don't appear in Dalinar's visions, so it is entirely possible that they didn't exist before the fall of the Radiants. The soulcaster spren don't look like deadeyes and seem to be sleeping, so I wouldn't expect any screaming even if a Radiant touches them.
  7. How is this different from normal damaged people who do or don't become Radiants? You postulated that child of a Herald would be something like a child of a Returned and that was the reason for Cryptics' attraction to Shallan. Except that Shallan had 4 siblings who were ignored and weren't special. In Warbreaker the whole Idrian royal family has the same abilities derived from their heritage. What is more, there is supposed to be some difficulty with Heralds procreating, but Lady Davar popped out 5(!) kids in fairly quick succession. And why would a Herald chose to have a ton of kids, who'd all die in the blink of an eye from her perspective? Not to mention that a Herald, of all people, would have known that a Radiant might summon their spren as a shardblade and couldn't be easily killed with a knife. There is also the fact that Tien was only a couple years older than Shallan when he began to attract a Cryptic, so I am not sure why she needed to have some special background? Spren picking children to bond may have been the result of Skybreaker persecution, for instance, since it would have been harder to pin crimes that warrant an execution on them. The appearance of Radiant might have been inspired by religious ikons of Chanarach, but I don't see why it should prove any biological connection. Also, didn't Radiant become blonde at some point? From one of your earlier posts: Well, of course Testament escaped the safe - that's what Shallan concluded back when she still thought that it was Pattern. Now that we know about the Seon, it is much more likely that it was the entity that remained in the safe (maybe Lin tried to stick Testament in the same box?) and also what little Shallan equated with her mother's soul. It all got muddled in her mind due to selective amnesia and trauma. Why Davars of all people were involved with all of this is still a mystery, of course. I suspect that there is a connection between them and one of the Unmade, due either to location or to family history. That may have made them interesting to the Ghostbloods and other secret societies. Finally, Taln may or may not not have been responsible for the current Desolation, but I always found the notion that just because he had never broken before Aharietam he never would, to be completely illogical. That's how it works with everything, doesn't it? It wears out until it breaks. Nothing is imprevious. I am also not sure why the Last Desolation needs to be pinned on Shallan, when we know that Venli was already largely involved and that she was manipulated into it at a fairly young age.
  8. My problem with this theory is that Shallan isn't an only child, but one of 5 and the other 4, who are her full siblings, are fairly undistinguished. Nor does it explain why a Herald would have chosen to marry Lin Davar, of all people, and pop out 5 kids in quick succession. The only connection between Chana and Shallan is that both have red hair if the picture is to be trusted, but that's not enough, surely? Concerning "mother's soul" shining in the safe, now that we know about liitle Shallan's interaction with a Seon, this is what it likely alludes to. As to Lady Davar's secrets, I now suspect that she was the first Ghostblood in this family. And that her attack on Shallan was an attempt to force her daughter to demonstrate her abilities for an associate. Veil's experience may not have been completely fictious, after all - Shallan may have been groomed into a Ghostblood operative by her mother.
  9. I have not been part of this conversation before my previous post. But IMHO you have not been reasonable - you keep re-posting the same stuff while completely disregarding textual evidence, which is why arguing with you feels futile. You just don't seem to care about what was actually written in the books. I understand that you dislike how things turned out in RoW, but that's very different from claiming that they have not been sufficiently foreshadowed. Like, for instance here. Did Rlain know anti-voidlight rythm? No. Did he know how to blend 2 rythms, which was required to heal the Sibling from the effects of BAM's imprisonment? No. In fact, nobody on the anti-Odium side except Navani did. The text is unambiguous about it. So, of course she was the only one able to help, whether you like it or not. There is a massive difference between saying that a prospective Bondsmith is unworthy and actively trying to kill them. And the Stormfather wasn't just obeying Honor out of respect/affection, he didn't have any choice: "I WAS REQUIRED TO SEND THOSE VISIONS ONCE THE TIME ARRIVED. THE ALMIGHTY DEMANDED IT OF ME. I COULD NO MORE DISOBEY THAN I COULD REFUSE TO BLOW THE WINDS." Words of Radiance, chapter 89 "The Four". He also says that he won't be bound just before Dalinar makes his Oath and binds him. Oh, and I am glad that you admit that Gavilar, who was the Stormfather's first pick, was unworthy - which means that the Sibling's first choice wasn't necessarily the perfect one either, particularly since it was mainly made out of anti-human prejudice. What does it have to do with anything? Navani directly guided her teams of researchers, gave them ideas, aimed them towards fruitful avenues of inquiry. We were shown this in the text - she was the one who came up with the flying ship idea, not one of her engineers. She also personally discovered how to blend various Rosharan investitures, how to fix the Sibling, which the pre-Recreance Radiants failed to do, figured out how to produce anti-investiture, and previous to all that she had also invented pain-rial. Wrong again. "I am led to wonder, from experiences such as this, if we have been wrong. We call humans alien to Roshar, yet they have lived here for thousands of years now. Perhaps it is time to aknowledge there are no aliens or interlopers. Only cousins" From Rhythm of War, page 5 undertext. RoW, Chapter 53 "Compassion". It is revealed later in the book that Raboniel was the author of the undertexts and that the copy of the notebook was sent to El and the other Fused. This is a valid consideration. OTOH, without the discovery of anti-rythms, Navani wouldn't have been able to reverse Sibling's Unmaking and they couldn't have taken back the Tower, as it's power suppression function would have still remained flipped. So, both the Sibling and Urithiru would have been lost, as the Fused would have been able to complete their task. At which point Coalition would have already been defeated, IMHO. Without Urithiru there was no hope in the long term. And yet their last one was Melishi, who was involved in something very dubious, with catastrophic results. Nor was there time for that anyway. Perfect is the enemy of good.
  10. Discovered the way of reversing the Unmaking and restoring Sibling's broken tone and you call it "eh"? Really?!!! Without her the Sibling wouldn't have been available for anybody to bond, because it wouldn't exist as itself anymore. I know that it is futile to engage in this discussion, because your mind seems complete set on Navani hate, but give the woman her due! As an aside, I wonder if returning the mindless Unmade to what they used to be is now on the table. It would be a much more ethically thorny problem re: those that have minds, of course. Concerning the Kholins lack of emotions in response to relatives/friends (ostensibly) dying, I chalk it up to writing failure, myself. Dalinar's, Adolin's and Ehlokar's non-reaction to Jasnah's alleged demise always stuck out like a sore thumb to me. Ditto Dalinar after obssessing with preserving Ehlokar's life for the 2 first books and supposedly loving his nephew, took his death completely in a stride. Ditto Dalinar never actually grieving any of his lost battle companions and friends and Adolin only doing it in the most vague terms. Navani comes closest to reacting normally, even if in a "stiff upper lip" fashion, but her contentedness at the end of OB felt really off to me as well. OTOH, she at least mourned Jasnah and there are a number of indications in RoW of her grieving for Ehlokar, even though she does subsume it in her work. But the Stormfather wouldn't have chosen to bond or even to send visions at all if Honor's last will didn't compel him. In fact, he resisted Dalinar and tried to kill him! There are very strong hints that Dalinar got his first vision from the Stormfather _before_ meeting Cultivation, even though he couldn't remember it afterwards. Granted, he was already on the way to the Nightwatcher. But let me adress the elephant in the room - do you think that Gavilar was worthy? Given that he was the Stormfather's first choice to receive the visions? Yet completely failed at speaking the Oaths, and not for the lack of knowledge/trying. You don't know that "anybody" could have gathered the scholars and given them the guidance she did. We have seen her provide them with the big ideas and direct their efforts in the most fruitful directions. It was also her contribution that helped convince the Azish to join the coalition and she was the one who laid down the foundation of how coalition would function, what nation would take over which duties, etc. She was the one organizing and running Urithiru as a multinational city. From Sanderson's description of the Order: Keeping people together is very much a Bondsmith's job, as evidenced by the gem archives in OB. And doing it has been her job her whole life - first as Gavilar's helper, then in the last years of his reign, while he dove into esoteric pursuits and Dalinar drank, she was the one holding Alethkar together. Then she started helping Dalinar with building his ever-growing alliances and stepped in for him when neccessary. And finally, as @Jenet pointed out, Navani found common ground with one of the more frightening Fused, and, in fact, fundamentally changed her perception of humans! Which, being part of the notes, is likely to propagate to El and the other Fused.
  11. She was absolutely bringing/keeping people together throughout OB and RoW! Even her interactions with Raboniel were a naive attempt to establish common ground. I understand that you dislike her character, but text is text. And other non-Radiants saw nothing when Dalinar opened his perpendicularity, but she did, and also heard the tones, of course. Not true - Melishi designed the protection devices for them, which required knowledge of fabrials. With Sibling being a giant fabrial, it stands to reason that an artifabrian Bondsmith could do much more with it - as Navani indeed proved. In fact, the only reason they had been able to reverse the damage so quickly were Navani's skills and profound understanding of the matter. I wanted Rlain to become a Bondmisth, but his lack of any particular interest in fabrials and civil engineering, made me peg him for the Nightwatcher's one. Alas... Sanderson could have quickly established that Rlain developed those interests during the gap and let him be more active in the attempts to bridge the divide between singers and humans if he wanted to present him as a serious/better candidate. As is, I wouldn't have found Rlain bonding the Sibling very satisfying. He just didn't accomplish enough to become a Bondsmith. The Sibling only wanted him because of their anti-human prejudice. I still very much hope that the third Bondsmith is going to be a singer, but I am at loss at who it could be, unless Rlain or one of the new listener Willshapers dual-bonds. I thought that RoW flashbacks would flesh out some of the surviving listeners, but it didn't really happen. Maybe Thude?
  12. It has been established from the beginning that the Radiants used to number in the thousands, so their powers being restricted to a handful of people was never in the cards. We also learned in WoR from the epigraphs that the Orders expanded rapidly during the Desolations. It would have also been incredibly cheap and tropy if a small group of inexperienced new Radiants had succeeded where thousands of experienced ones in the past have failed. It is already on the edge of being ludicrous as far as I am concerned, and I don't want it to tip over. Also, that's why I dislike superheroes - they hoard their abilities so that they can remain very special and very important. Which, by a very convenient coincidence makes them into the arbiters of right and wrong. Funny, that. They say that other people can't be trusted with teh Power, but of course they'd say that, wouldn't they? Those who hold power and don't want to share it always do. I suspect that we'll lose at least one of Kholin Bondsmiths in book 5. If it is Dalinar, which is most likely, then the Skybreaker connection will fall away. For that matter, in such a case Kaladin will probably become less strongly aligned with Kholins and more independant as well. That's if he doesn't succeed Dalinar as the Stormfather's Bondsmith and bearer of Honor's remaining authority, for which there are a lot of hints. In such a case, he'd have more political and military power than the remaining Kholins combined. Shallan is not the head of all Lightweavers, just a leader of 2 dozen of them or so. In fact, most Orders likely don't have strict hierarchical organization and a single leader, so Kholins being/becoming members shouldn't matter overly much. But as to the narrative importance, well, the main PoV characters are who they are, and of course they are the ones who are movers and shakers, rather than the tertiary or bit characters. Personally, I do like observer protagonists, who are not all that important, active or powerful themselves, but provide a window on the characters who are, but this approach has fallen out of style and has never been Sanderson's way of doing things in the first place. Apart from her consistently exhibiting Bondsmithy qualities and attracting gloryspren on at least a couple of occasions? Or beginning to see into Shadesmar in early RoW? Dabbid is a wonderful man, but he has zero commonality with what a Bondsmith is supposed to be. Making him one would have been just a subversion for the sake of subversion and felt completely out of place. He'd make a great Edgedancer, though! Rlain could have fit very nicely, but he needed to be written as much more independently active in RoW and shown to have worked with artifabrians during the year gap. It had been pretty clear since OB that the Sibling's Bondsmith needed to be into fabrials.
  13. But shouldn't Urithiru have been the repository of critical knowledge? It never fell during either the true or the false Desolations. It was a big self-sustaining city. If they kept both the written records/manuals and a pool of people with requisite skills safe there, and had them train as many others as possible after a Desolation was over, they should have been able to maintain their tech level. It wouldn't have worked with 19th century and later technologies, but keeping everything before that should have been doable. The singers had an advantage back before the advent of the Radiants that the Fused, who were still largely sane, came back with their artisan/technological skills undiminished and could quickly re-teach them to their people, since they numbered in the thousands. The Heralds just didn't have the time for that, with there being just 10 of them. Still, it does seem very odd that during the False Desolation the singers under Bo-Ado-Mishram's leadership were able to successfully oppose the Radiants even without the Fused, with just the Regals. Because in SoA newbie Radiants seem to greatly outclass the Fused and are all but unkillable. Sure, the Regals back then were likely much more capable, but they'd still die easily compared to the Radiants and unlike the Fused, they couldn't come back, so with every one lost, their skill and knowledge would have been lost too. I hope that Sanderson provides a good explanation for this discrepancy, beyond it being a hoary fantasy/video game trope that unlikely heroes are always much better and quickly grow to be dratsically more powerful than trained professionals.
  14. But didn't RoW prove that Melishi had been the Sibling's Bondsmith? Wouldn't they have noticed if he was Ishar? Given that there is something different about Herald's souls according to Ivory in OB and that Ishar must have visited Urithiru before Aharietam...
  15. But what about when Shallan mentally entered Shadesmar using just a dim sphere for stormlight and Jasnah had to pull her out? Surely Testament and/or Pattern had to be hanging around in the Cognitive close to Shallan then! Maybe. Ivory does have communication problems, so it isn't impossible.