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This thread only relates to Mistborn, and should probably be moved to the mistborn forum, instead of the Cosmere forum, to avoid spoilers.
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1 hour ago, RShara said:
Sadly, MAG is not canon. They tweaked things and made up things for it to work, including stuff that Brandon hasn't answered/canonized yet. I know they worked with DS to make it as close as possible, but I'm uncomfortable with us using anything from it. We're going to get a hemalurgy table released soon, which should answer some of these questions, at least.
Kelsier's original body was digested, and Oreseur used his bones to impersonate him. He hid the bones somewhere and then the world ended. Unless Sazed took care to not destroy the bones, I think they're pretty much gone.
Actually, we know that kelsier’s bones are intact.
iwinUlose2
In Mistborn 3, What happened to Kelsier's bones, and will they play any significance in any of the sequels?
Brandon Sanderson
The bones survived the events of the last book. We might see them again. Speaking of relic-like items, Sazed's rings survived as well. We might see those again.
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1 hour ago, BitBitio the Mudkip said:
Evidence 1: Elend somehow obtained pewter that worked especially well, which saved his life after a gut wound. Or was it Lerasium?
Well your theory could have merit, the pewter Elend burned was in the vial that Vin gave him to wash down the bead of Lerasium.
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Looking through my Magic collection and found this card.
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My theory is that the fourth oath is where the Windrunner must choose who to protect over everyone else. Which explains why kaladin has so much trouble with this oath, he wants to protect everyone.
Also, this is officialy my one hundredth post.
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9 hours ago, Storms! said:
Right, which is why I said NO OTHER MAGIC! Dalinar doesn't get Stormlight or the Thrill, Vasher doesn't get to use Breath. Just two normal dudes who happen to be experts in combat battling it out in a cage match
Also, if you respond to a scenario, you need to reply with a new one. So I'll repost my scenario so someone else can pick it up and the thread can continue
Next Battle:
Dalinar vs Vasher (both in their primes)
Plate and Blade- no other magic at all
Location: Cage Match (cage is made of aluminum so thick it can't be broken/damaged at all)
Ok, then dalinar wins because he is better used to the extra strength/speed of plate.
Next battle: Teams
team one: radiants
(SKYBREAKER) szeth: at forth ideal (blade and plate) with nightblood.
(WINDRUNNER) kaladin: at fourth ideal (blade and plate) with 5 windrunner squires (no blade or plate).
(BONDSMITH) dalinar: at fourth ideal (plate) with the ability to supercharge all radiants with stormlight.
(ELSECALLER) jasnah: at fourth ideal (blade and plate)
(LIGHTWEAVER) hoid: fourth ideal (blade and plate) unlimited investiture (metals, stormlight, breath, etc..)
all radiants get unlimited investiture
team two: all marvel heroes from the mcu (marvel cinematic universe)
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7 hours ago, Storms! said:
Skybreakers easily. Mistborn can't heal
Next Battle:
Dalinar vs Vasher (both in their primes)
Plate and Blade- no other magic
Location: Cage Match (cage is made of aluminum so thick it can't be broken/damaged at all)
If their both in their primes, vasher holds a great trove of breath, dalinar has zero magical abilities.
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On 4/7/2018 at 8:24 PM, Hufdud said:
Alright, to start this off I feel the trapper’s only chance against the mistborn is to avoid notice and employ a wide variety of traps. In almost every scenario where the trapped and mistborn directly interact I see the mistborn easily dispatching him with just a few shot coins. The only way such a direct confrontation could really hurt the mistborn is if this engagement distracts them from some other danger of Patji (deathants eg.) and then either both die or the island kills the mistborn before they can finish off the trapper.
This leads to the main contender in this scenario: Patji itself. I really do not see any surefire way for the mistborn to come out on top. His lack of knowledge regarding the dangers of the local fauna and flora alone will probably be enough to ensure he doesn’t make it the full 24 hours. This is what I see as the biggest threat. Even if they survive the many predators and the trapper himself, 24 hours on an island designed to kill everyone who sets foot upon its shores is too long for any ignorant person to survive. Even with tin to enhance the senses and warn of insects, many of the plants are poisonous as well.
Of course, then there are the predators. This is where the mistborns allomantic abilities would become the most useful. Their best bet would to be to use their copper sparingly, stretching out its usage by only burning it when predators approach and then using iron/steel and coins to escape to a different location. Unfortunately even this approach will run out before the 24 hours are up and they will have to resort to fighting. Pewter, plus the coins at their belt, could likely kill these beasts if they come in small enough numbers, but then we run into the problem of these pained and dying creatures attracting a larger horde that would overwhelm even a prepared mistborn. This is where we might see some value in emotional allomancy: by suppressing the dying beasts emotions of pain and vulnerability and perhaps rioting emotions of strength it is possible the mistborn could stall or even stop the formation of such a horde. Of course this is all assuming their steel and iron have lasted all this time.
In conclusion, I think that this becomes a war of attrition of sorts between the island and the mistborn, the more metals the mistborn runs out of, the more perils they have to face. With a goal of 24 hours I really see no way the mistborn could hold out and survive.
Next Situation: Infiltration. The arena will be an isolated castle in Arelon (elantrians have decent access to the dor without the overwhelming boost of being within the city itself) The objective is a cylindrical gem filled with void light (to make it distinguishable to both teams) Team one, remaining within the castle grounds, will be given 30 minutes of preparation within the caste before having to protect the gem for 24 hours from team 2. Team 2 wins if they can escape the premises with the gem within the 24 hours. Either team also wins if they kill all their opponents before the time runs out. Both teams also have a knowledge of the layout and design of the castle before the match begins.
Team 1 (defenders):
Raoden
Awakener barely of the 4th heightening (as soon as they awaken anything they will be back to the third heightening and will lose their perfect life sense) with combat training and an invested sword (not awakened like nightblood but invested enough to stop a shard blade and resist allomantic pushes and pulls)
Forger of med skill with a soulstamp that provides increased combat training (knows some history of the castle itself)
Five Koloss guards with obsidian swords
Team 2 (Attackers):
Kelsier (from Final Empire) with his typical number of vials of the 10 basic metals (except atium, of which he has only 5 seconds worth) and two obsidian daggers
Windrunner of the fourth ideal (blade and plate) filled with storm light and carrying a few infused emeralds (can also retreat to replenish storm light at a location a few miles away)
The battle goes to Kelsier/Windrunner.
Next situation: head to head battle to the death.
Location: football stadium
Team one: five mistborn with their metals fueled directly by preservation.
Team two: five skybreakers of the fourth ideal (blade and plate) with stormlight fueled directly by honor.
Both teams have complete knowledge of the other teams abilities, and complete knowledge of the layout of said stadium.
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2 hours ago, RShara said:
I think it’s April 1st.
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2 hours ago, agigabyte said:
Granted, but you are always as low on the metaphorical totem pole as one can be, stuck as the least important, influential, sapient being in that world.
I wish to never suffer any effects that, by my standards, qualify as negative, from any wish that I make on this page or as part of any game like this. (This is a redux of one from the very first page, hopefully rephrased well enough to avoid bad stuff.
Granted, however you don’t gain anything so what’s the point.
I want the Lopen to become the lord ruler.
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The Final Empire>The Hero of Ages>the well of ascension.
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1 hour ago, NotBurtReynolds said:
Yeah, I've seen that WoB before but I don't really see as being an eliminator for what I was talking about. I'll 2nd what @hoiditthroughthegrapevine was saying about it perhaps lessening the likelyhood of the Shattering being of Adonalsium's own design, but I stress perhaps because I don't think that the WoB is necessarily saying what you want it to say, as that's a pretty cagey wording he used. Cagey because, taken at it's most literal it really only seems to confirm that Adonalsium did not commit the actual act that actually Shattered himself/herself/itself..ie..it wasn't suicide. There's miles of wiggle room in there...Just imagine swapping in Ruin for Adonalsium and Ruin's release from prison with the Shattering in a horrible parallel universe where Hero of Ages still hasn't come out yet:
Questioner: Was Ruin released from prison by external forces?
FakeBrandonSanderson: Ruin was not released by himself, herself, or itself.
That WoB is technically true, right? But is it truly, true?
I actually really enjoy your theory. I’m not trying to poke holes in it just for the sake of poking holes.
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On 1/31/2018 at 2:12 PM, NotBurtReynolds said:
So this theory is the result of thoughts that coalesced while brainstorming in an excellent post started by @Firerust, and expanded on by @1stBondsmith and @hoiditthroughthegrapevine , about whether Adonalsium may have had a mandate of Unity. Some smart thoughts over there and definitely worth a look.
* "The Integral of Perfection through Unity Theory" where Adonalsium's current state is the sum of all states approaching infinity, used with permission from creator of smarter words, @hoiditthroughthegrapevine
So the quickie summary of this theory, which will likely be the perfect combination of way too long and ultimately wrong, goes like this:
This Shattering of this Adonalsium is merely the latest in an infinite number of Vessels of Adonalsium, mirroring real world cosmology ideas that our universe is in an endless(and possibly beginning-less) cycle of "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches". That the Vessel of Adonalsium uses their time holding the power to shape and guide the Cosmere, in pursuit of becoming the perfect form of whatever it is that god would consider perfect. Eventually the Vessel reaches a plateau, wherein the only way to evolve to a more perfect Adonalsium is by allowing it's power to be Shattered into the different Intents of god. Intents which change with every cycle, according to what is needed to Advance in godhood this time, but one that is always the Hate of god. Or Odium. Or whatever synonym you want. But not the passion of god, regardless of what Rayse thinks. The part of god that may be necessary, but without the context of the other aspects, is the ultimate destructive force. The Odium that must be defeated by the rest, so Adonalsium can be ultimately be reformed into a more perfect version of itself which has had those aspects honed to to even finer point of perfection, allowing all of the aspects of god to further balance each other that much more perfectly. Another infinitesimal step down the path of godly evolution, stretching back indefinitely but only looking forward as far as the next cycle and the next contest. Because each cycle is a contest where the outcome is not guaranteed. Either the other Intents of god overcome the hate and Adonalsium reforms that much more perfect and continues the cycle of evolving until a another plateau is reached and another Shattering must occur...Or Odium prevails. Which becomes a more likely outcome every time that the cycle repeats, for as Adonalsium reforms every time as a more perfect version, so must his Odium be whenever he is Shattered. In order to advance to a more perfect Adonalsium, a more perfect Odium must be defeated.
So now that we're through the 'short' summary, let's get to the why.
But it's a how that has always stuck in my brain...How did Adonalsium not see it coming?
Odium, Cultivation, Honor, Preservation, Ruin...We've seen these Shards show us taking "be prepared" to another level. While not omniscient, they have been shown to have the knowledge and foresight to carry out plans that stretch millennia while seeing the endless moves that could possibly oppose them. The ultimate chess masters...
But it the Shards and their plans are the ultimate chess masters, then what would that make Adonalsium? About 16x's more ultimate, I have to imagine
Probably more so if you subscribe to the belief that the Whole of god would likely be more than the sum of their parts. And if that's the case, I have to repeat my earlier question:
How could 16 beings, no matter how crafty, trick and kill god without god knowing or at least knowing that it necessarily has to happen even if god couldn't know exactly when or how ?
But we do know that Shattered, Adonalsium was. Was he totally surprised? Saw it coming but couldn't do anything to stop it? Saw it coming but didn't want to stop it? There's lots of possibilities, some more likely than others.
So I guess the question you have to start with is, Did Adonalsium want to be Shattered? I'll start with the possibilities under the general assumption most of us make and that which we've gotten no evidence to the contrary:
Adonalsium Did Not Want To Be Shattered
If Adonalsium did not want to be Shattered, then either:
1. Adonalsium didn't see it coming and couldn't stop it. Or,
2. Adonalsium saw it coming, but couldn't stop it.
Now I think one of these 2 scenarios is what most of us think we are going to get whenever we get Dragonsteel(or whatever it called by then). The story of god not wanting to be killed but ultimately losing to our scrappy group of Shatterers, the Yolen16. Now I find scenario #1 more unlikely, given my previously stated disbelief in anyone or any group being able to sneak up on/trick god. And seriously, what kind of god would Adonalsium be if he just let someone sneak up and murder him?
So if Adonalsium didn't want to be Shattered, I think it’s likely scenario #2...He saw it coming to some extent but the Yolen 16 were able to kill him anyway. Which is totally plausible. I think when we finally see Yolen in the days of the Shattering, we are going to see a planet further along in the fusion of magic and technology then we've seen thus far in the Cosmere. Seriously, Yolen's going to be nuts, right? And given that likely high level of magical advancement, along with the involvement of one Master Hoid, I'll definitely buy the Yolen16 being able to come up with an intricate plan to trap and murder god, even if he sees them coming. Perhaps they will be able to find and exploit some blind spot in Adonalsium’s knowledge, much like we are assuming Odium's blind spot in regards to Renarin will be exploited. Maybe it’s just that Hoid and Rayse are better at coming up with and executing plans than the combined strength of a dozen Kelsier's plus Hannibal from the A-Team, and we’ll see their master stroke that will put Adonalsium in a corner from which he cannot escape Shattering. To be clear, I’d be fine with any and all of that
So those are the general scenarios if we assume that Adonalsium did not want to be Shattered. But what if he did?
Adonalsium Wanted to Be Shattered
1. Adonalsium didn't see it coming and didn't try to stop it
2. Adonalsium saw it coming, knew it needed to happen , went along with it.
3. Adonalsium wanted it to happen and manipulated the Yolen16 to do so.
4. Adonalsium wanted it to happen but would still fight his demise as hard as possible until champions are able to rise up and best him.(The Talladega Nights Corollary)
So in this theory the "why" of Adonalsium wanting to Shattered, is answered...To evolve to something better, even if it is infinitesimally small improvement. I do think it’s important to understand that the amount of improvement doesn't really matter in this system because I find it unlikely that this is a 'finish line' situation in which there is one perfect form of god and that once it is attained, the cycle will stop. I believe it to be a matter of continually striving towards a goal which is unreachable. A finish line you can forever move ever closer to but can never actually cross, just as you can never actually achieve perfection, but you can strive for it. The value lies in the struggle for, not the achievement of.
But back to the why...Why would Shattering the power of god, make god better?
So Adonalsium could've been Shattered differently...Which means there's different possible Intents...Which means there's probably a whole lot of different possible Intents...I mean come on, its god. Lots of layers there
So what if the only way to improve on the whole of god is by improving the pieces, which in turn can only be improved by being separated into their current, purest form? A singe Intent of god, free to act in accordance of their purest Intent, without the context of the whole holding them back. Which may lead to a better or wiser Shard of god. Or not. I think it's important to remember that Intents(with the exception of Odium, which I believe to be necessarily "bad" but also a necessary part of a "perfect" god) are not necessarily "good" or "bad". They are their Intent. Just because an Intent sounds good, like Honor or Preservation, doesn't mean it necessarily has to be so. Or if it even can be, as it becomes more of a pure force over time. That’s the implication we seem to get over and over...Taken to their outer extremities, without the context of other Intents, ALL of the Shards would ultimately force an existence which most would not find palatable to exist in, or even could exist in. Does anyone want to want to live on the Scadrial that Ruin describes, in which Preservation is the ultimate power? Or the Roshar where Honor has been taken to its maximal limits? Or Cultivation's?
That is the theme that runs through all we've learned about Shards and their nature. That without being part of the whole, All of the Shards are ultimately bad for the Cosmere. Vessels hold powers that will eventually consume them into a pure force. I say that NO Shard would ever be able to "keep to themselves" in the Cosmere. Eventually their Intent would consume them forcing them to spread. Imagine the same Cosmere, same events, just without Odium. Could Devotion and Dominion continue to coexist on Sel forever? Or would their Intents eventually push them until one or both was destroyed? Say it's Devotion who "wins", splintering Dominion and ruling the whole planet guided by the extreme tenets of all things devotion. Eventually turning Sel into an absolute miserable place to live. Shard Objective completed. Sel, check. Do we think Devotion will just stay there? Or will the force of the Intent not allow it? I do not believe that Intents ever allow for "that's enough". I believe on a long enough timeline, all Shards of all Intents will eventually try to consume the Cosmere with their Intent, regardless of the other Shards in their way
Now all of that was a long way of saying that the 'correct' state of the Cosmere is with an intact Adonalsium. That no matter how Shattered, as long as god is in pieces, the Cosmere is moving towards destruction, while at the same time moving towards the higher state of perfection which would be gained by a reformed Adonalsium. So, back to this...
#1: I generally find this unlikely..Almost. Not to beat a dead chull, but I find most scenarios where Adonalsium is caught completely unaware, unlikely. But, not exactly. Adonalsium can need to evolve without knowing it. And even though it's god we're talking about, that doesn't mean god has to realize that his current state is not the ultimate state.
This scenario would really be saying that Adonalsium wanted to be Shattered, didn't see it coming, but then didn't try to stop them because he was like, "Jeez, finally... Took y'all long enough."
#2: Getting more likely, I think...Here we have Adonalsium knowing, as part of his divine knowledge, that he must be Shattered. So he goes along, doing his god thing, waiting for the time when his creations are able to kill him. Sees the Yolen16 and their plots coming from a 1000 years away and goes along with their machinations, ending in his Shattering. But if he wants to be Shattered, why would it be a waiting game? Why not skip to Scenario #3 where you just orchestrate your own death in pursuit of evolution, instead of waiting around for someone else to figure it out? Well, perhaps that is part of the trigger, as it were. If we start from the place where any fully-formed Adonalsium must eventually Shatter in order to evolve, then there must be a trigger...Something that starts the chain and says "Shatter-Time!". So we have Adonalsium...and he knows eventually he will need to be Shattered. I think it may be a little intellectually lazy to say that not only does god know he needs to die to evolve, but he also knows when he has stopped evolving and has arrived at the point of needing to be Shattered.
#3: We've seen this before, yeah? Ruin spent hundreds and thousands of years manipulating the people of Scadrial into freeing the villain, whilst thinking themselves the heroes. I think Adonalsium would be capable of the same, manipulating the people of Yolen into believing that the only way to save the universe was to kill their god.
When I first started mind-sketching this stuff out, this was the scenario I used as a starting point. Mostly because I was just trying to shoehorn myself to a place where Dragonsteel: Secret History is eventually a thing ;). And because it makes sense in a linear way. If Adonalsium needs to be Shattered, I suspect it would need to done by others who did not know that they were doing what god wanted, with the idea of this being mirrored in real world religious stories.
Jesus was killed by people who thought they were doing the right thing and had no issue with the deed. Would it have been different had they known Jesus needed to die? If they knew, for a fact, that they were not killing a man but their god? I’m sure the Rayse of the Pharisee’s might still have been cool with it, but would the Leras?
And even if the would-be Shatterers would still have been fine with killing a willing god, them even having that knowledge might change everything, as perhaps the group’s intent to kill a god was what was necessary.
But back to my current point ;)…If Adonalsium needs to be Shattered by the unaware, who also have the desire and means to actually kill god, it would make sense for him to activate the all-time long con in order to orchestrate his own death while all of the players remain blissfully unaware of their parts in the play, making Ruin’s manipulation of Scadralian history look like the games that infants play.
But while this scenario does make sense to me, it lacks choice and agency. So we have a near omniscient god who is so self-aware that he not only knows the time at which his evolution has stopped, but what must occur for the evolution to continue. And then guides people of his godly choosing to Shatter him in the way he knows he has to be in order to ultimately advance to the next, purer state of god. Ol’ Adonalsium has it all figured out and that’s just a little boring I think. Sure there is still massive uncertainty in this system post-Shattering, because as long as the reformation of Adonalsium is not guaranteed there is the possibility of the Cosmere being completely consumed by the hate of god. But still.
But, to be fair, perhaps the reformation of Adonalsium is guaranteed. A system where a truly omniscient god knows and plots his own evolutionary course. He guides his creations to Shatter his power, knowing it must eventually reform into something more pure and perfect which he knows someone else will take up. A fatalistic system where all paths eventually lead to a new Adonalsium… Which in turn always leads to a Shattering…then to a new Adonalsium…And so on, to infinity. Backwards and forwards. A mirroring of real world proponents of our universe being in an endless series of “Big Bangs” and “Big Crunches”. The universe ‘bangs’ open, expands, expands, expands, eventually reaching a point where the process is somehow reversed. And then the universe ‘crunches’ in, contracting, contracting, contracting, until the “Bang” must happen again…and so on. But as opposed to the real universe in which the same stuff just gets thrown in new directions, each Cosmere cycle ends with a new and better god. Fatalistic, but still cool.
I think all of the above scenarios are certainly plausible and each could make sense in their own ways, from both philosophical and narrative perspectives. But what would make the most sense from the perspective of one Brandon Sanderson? Well I won’t know that for a few decades, but I can at least guess(wrong;). And I guess a system where no outcome is guaranteed.
My vote is for something like Scenario #4, or the The Talladega Nights Corollary. Jean Girad desperately wanted Ricky Bobby to win, freeing him to train dogs with Gregory full-time. But as much as he wanted to lose, if he gave even one inch to Ricky, he’d be invalidating everything he was that got him that point, thereby invalidating his desire to retire in the first place... In order to train dogs with Gregory full-time.
I imagine a Cosmere where the endless cycle of Shatterings and Reformations in pursuit of the ultimate ideal of perfection, can only be achieved by taking the most difficult path.
So let’s imagine I’m right about infinite Adonalsiums and let’s put me in the shoes of the Vessel of Adonalsium that was most recently Shattered, the Dalinar of their time, as it were…Call me, Bizzaro-nar. Say Bizzaro-nar was the person who defeated the latest incarnation of Odium, ending in the reformation of Adonalsium, which he took up and Ascended. Now I believe this will be a clear the board-type situation, where the new Adonalsium remakes the Cosmere anew, beginning the cycle anew. Which is bittersweet for all of our heroes, if true. You may have defeated Odium, continuing the Cosmere and Adonalsium down their path to perfection, but you still get wiped out. Its seems fatalistic and totally unfair, but I think it’s the way it would have to go. Every last thing in the Cosmere will have been created by the previous, less-perfect Adonalsium. How can those creations have a place in the new Cosmere of the new, more-perfect Adonalsium? They are inferior by definition, having not been made by the current Adonalsium. Shallan, Kaladin, all the other characters we know and love, would be an inferior part of a new pursuit of perfection…
So Adonalsium starts from scratch…He shoots around, doing god stuff. Trying to attain a perfect Cosmere…Whatever that is. So now we get to the trigger. Why Shatter? When?
I believe the Vessel of Adonalsium shapes and guides their Cosmere as they strive for their perfect form, eventually reaching the evolutionary brick wall which necessitates their Shattering. The Critical Fail, as it were. But what is this failure? I believe it’s the same failure every time. You have failed most spectacularly as a god whenever your creations try and succeed in killing you. Whenever beings you have created are able to rationalize, plot, and carry out the murder of the Supreme Being in their universe, you have failed in the most ultimate way and can go on no further down the path. The Shattering was not only the method of killing god, it was the proof for it needing to be done.
So it’s not really a trigger, I suppose. It’s just another inevitability in the cycle. If Adonalsium can never truly be perfect but can only keep striving towards it, then the same must be said for the Cosmere. And I say an imperfect Cosmere will always lead to some of god’s creations believing they must kill god in order to save their universe. The paragon of hubris.
So back to Bizzaro-nar. He’s flitting around and through his near-infinite wisdom sees the Yolen16 coming. And he’s all like, “You’ve got to be kidding me! All I’ve done for these people, all I’ve done for the whole freaking Cosmere, and they’re plotting to kill me??” Which leads Bizzaro-nar to a breakthrough as he uses his super-deific-understanding powers to realize what a total failure this makes him and that Shattering is the only way forward. But even knowing it needed to happen I still think he’d fight any attempt tooth and nail because I think Cosmere natural selection should hold that Adonalsium would not reach a point where he had to Shatter until he was able to be Shattered. Or to rephrase, if you can stop from being Shattered, you haven’t reached a point where you need to be Shattered.
Or, perhaps Ascending to Adonalsium still doesn't mean that you get the whole picture of the cycle of Cosmere's and your place in it. Maybe Adonalsium always fights the Shattering because he doesn't know his part in the play either and just doesn't want to die. And if you don't know you need to die, you probably will fight it with all your godly might. Which ties back into the circle. In order to evolve to a better Adonalsium, your best must be able to be beaten. And if your best cannot be beaten then it's not time yet.
So Bizarro-nar loses to the Yolen 16 and the power of Adonalsium is Shattered into the 16 Intents. But why those Intents? Wob’s have said they could’ve been different Intents, so why those? Well, I’ve already covered 1 as I think Odium has to necessarily be part of the party. Now I’ve seen some people theorize that Adonalsium was Shattered into those Intents because it had something to do with mirroring what was in each of the 16 Shatterers, but I think that it’s backwards. That Adonalsium was Shattered into the Intents not in accordance with the motivations of the 16, but rather because it was the failures most in those Intents that led the Yolen16 on their path. Those are the Intents that got us into this mess, those are the one’s that’ll get us out
. The Yolen16 may have thought they were directing things, perhaps even thinking they had a hand in how the Intents shook out. But little did they know that any successful Shattering would only succeed in the exact way that it did.
So there you have it....Way too long and and almost certainly wrong!...Just as promised
Now to just sit back and wait for Rshara to post a WoB completely invalidating every thing I've said. I imagine it'll be something like this:
Bands of Mourning release party (Jan. 25, 2016)
Play/PauseQuestionerSome readers have theorized that this Adonalsium is but the latest in a series of infinite Adonalsiums, in which the Cosmere is in an endless cycle of Shatterings and Reformations in order achieve a higher state of perfection.
Brandon Sanderson
That is so wrong that I hesitate in even dignifying it with an answer, so I will just say that anyone who thinks that should probably stop reading my books full-stop as they are obviously too dumb to pick up even the simplest of my concepts.
Sorry, but I found this on Arcanum
Cognizantastic
Was Adonalsium Shattered by an external force?
Brandon Sanderson
Adonalsium was not Shattered by himself, herself, or itself.
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4 hours ago, Nathrangking said:
Granted. You now have 263.5 tics shaped like tacks that nest in your body.
I call upon the power of the Nightwatcher to fulfill my boon. I wish to have the power of spiritual adhesion and have complete control of this power and knowledge of how it works.
Alas, spirtual adhesion is of Honor and the nightwatcher is unable to grant your wish.
I wish that whoever gives me my curse would do so in old English.
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9 hours ago, hoiditthroughthegrapevine said:
Granted, your new name is Chiri Chiri and you're a larkin. You get to live on some nicely potted shinovar grass, and your budy Rysn gives you quite a few spheres to drain a day.
I wish that I could travel to the future, say 150 years, and see the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (which in the future will be a geosynchronous low space orbit concert venue) perform some classic music. I would wish specifically to see the full orchestra rendition of "More than a Woman" by the Bee Gees.
Granted, however after visiting the future you must return and watch the Twilight Trilogy over over and over again for eternity. (You will never die)
I wish that I was a Fullbinder.
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41 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:
Granted. However, you can't compound or store/burn anything beyond the base metals. So no Bendalloy God metals, ect. Also, you are crippled and stuck in a wheelchair, which no amount of gold can fix.
I wish to be so irresistibly attractive that everyone who sees me must obey my every command.
Granted, However suddenly can only talk in Lopen quotes.
I want To bond a highspren
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I posted these in another thread, but figured they would work here too.
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On 7/8/2016 at 1:59 PM, chsy83 said:
Are there 16 fools on scadrial?:)
Nope, just one: Kelsier
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On 2/7/2018 at 8:29 AM, firstmurf said:
Starting this topic for a few reasons.
The first is to share a few pics of some of the incredible loot/swag that has been released over the years. I haven't seen images of some of the items I have on the forum or even google so I thought others might like to see them. My personal favourite Sanderloot is still the Szeth cut-out but the Assassin and Warrior tokens from GenCon look amazing.
Another is to see what else I am missing from the collection. I know I am missing a few items like the Rithmatist chalk bag, Windrunner pin, Obliteration cut-out and WoK epic bookmark but it would be great if someone would post images of these items and any other Sanderloot they have.
Located in Australia, all the books are hardcover first/first and all but Edgedancer and HoA are signed. All 3 Leatherbounds are numbered and so are BoM, AU, Oathbringer, Legion + Skin Deep and Snapshot. Mistborn and WoA both have early style signatures.
You’re missing Arcanum Unbounded.
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On 2/11/2018 at 2:50 PM, Tehol&Bugg said:
Lift, beacause she will listen to those who have been ignored.
Who would make a better driver? Vasher or Susebron?
Vasher, he’s not an ignorant baby.
Who would be more likes to annoy steris, Wayne or Lopen?
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8 hours ago, Herowannabe said:
Hoid, because Odium just really hates that guy.
Who would make a better Dungeons and Dragons GM- Steris or Tuon?
Steris, because you would make a list(or 600) of things you could/couldn’t do.
Who would make a better therapist? Lift or Wayne?
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I found this WOB on Arcanum.
Questioner
If you were entrusted with a Shard of Adonalsium, which Shard?
Brandon Sanderson
Ummm... Heh heh heh... maybe Ingenuity.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/123/#e3299so is this an actual shard? Or is this just Brandon making one up for an interview?
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When you sister/father/mother refer to you as being in the “Sharter” fandom.
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Walking Nightblood
in Cosmere Discussion
Posted · Edited by Lord Mistborn Skybreaker
Ok, so here is my idea.
A Bondsmith, and an Awakener of the 10th heightening, team up to make the Bondsmith immortal.
Here is how the do it:
• First, they forge a solid metal man made of steel. (interlocking plates, joints on the arms and legs, opening mouth/eyes. Movable fingers and toes, ect...)
• Secondly, the Bondsmith uses spiritual adhesion to bind his soul to the metal man.
• Third, the Awakener Awakens the metal man using all of his breath, creating a nightblood esque sentient object, only this one can functionally move, and has the mind and soul of the Bondsmith.
• Finally, they sew together a cloak of thin aluminum strands and the metal man puts it on to inhibit his world destroying powers. (though he can take it off to level his enemies)
So, what do you guys think? Is there a way to use hemalurgy to give the now Metal Bondsmith the powers of a Fullborn? What awakening commands should be used on this Metal man? Would the metal Bondsmith keep his radiant powers?
*EDIT*
Ok, so I guess my the only thing that works here is awakening a metal man, and therefore have a walking nightblood.