Lord Mistborn Bondbreaker
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3 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:
My personal thought is that the Champion thing will be resolved at the end of 5
The champion thing ended with Oathbringer.
Odium chose his champion (Dalinar). Odium lost the contest of champions.
It happened, so why is everyone ignoring that it did, and that that thread is over?
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1. A novella from the Lord Ruler’s POV.
2. The full book “Oathbringer: my glory and my shame”
3. A novella of Marsh’s infiltration of the ministry.
4. A novella where Lift meets Wayne.
5. The full book “The Way of Kings”
6. The novella Sanderson actually did write about Jasnah in shadesmare.
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On 5/17/2018 at 8:35 AM, Apollyon said:
Can’t name the card, but recently one of the Dominaria cards looks almost exactly like Nighblood.
Not from Dominaria, but still.
Also, from the Emporor’s Soul.
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20 hours ago, Ookla the Mind Sculptor said:
I think he did. That was why he upheld human law for thousands of years even though he knew the Singers were the original inhabitants. The humans had won by right of conquest.
Only after Odium kills honor, the other Heralds are broken and the Fused return does he consider the land retaken "by right of conquest" and follow Singer law.
Justice actually has nothing to do with it, at least until the 3rd or 4th ideals. It is a "Divine Attribute" of Nale and by extension his order but is only tangentially related to the Oaths. It seems to me like most people who can follow the oaths have those attributes, not that you need them to swear the oaths.
So while Moash may have his own valid view of justice, does he have the right attitude to swear the 2nd ideal and uphold the law above all else? I would say he definitely does not, so he could never become a Skybreaker.
You may not remember this, but the Skybreakers actually name their oaths.
The Second Ideal is called the oath of Justice.
The Third is the oath of dedication.
The Fourth is the oath of Crusade.
The Fifth is the oath of Law.
See the Copermind: https://coppermind.net/wiki/
And Oathbringer Chapter 90
Moash is dedicated, and has his own sense of justice, so I see no problem with this theory.
Also, Justice has nothing to do with the Oath of Justice?
22 hours ago, Hbal said:As i mentioned there is a order to this thing as per Nale. Oathbringer Chapter 116. Alone answers this. Here's a summary of sorts, Simple man < Citylord < Highlord < Highprince < King < God. I hope that gives context with my earlier message.
Are you implying that Nale cares only about Justice on the Scale of Shards? One would think that he would care about Justice for the darkeyes, and for the lighteyes.
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23 hours ago, Kon-Tiki said:
I'm not sure vengeance is even really a Skybreaker virtue. We certainly don't see Nale acting in a vengeful manner. If we did we'd probably see him acting more directly against Odium than we obviously currently do. And as to Moash/Vyre's and Nale's beliefs that the land belongs to the parshmen, they came to that conclusion using nearly opposite logic. Moash/Vyre believes that humanity doesn't deserve to control Roshar, through his own totally arbitrary interpretation of who deserves what. Nale, on the other hand, believes that the parshmen, as the original occupants of Roshar, are the law of Roshar. (The irony of Nale's interpretation, obviously, is that Odium is the interloper god here. Honor and Cultivation were on Roshar first, so supporting the killer of Honor is hardly upholding the Law. But this is sort of off topic).
The thing is, all ten KR Orders were more or less pointed in the same direction in their era. But all ten Orders also represent wildly different things, and would largely have come to similar conclusions using very different logic. Windrunners, is being tied to Honorspren, are all about right and wrong. Skybreakers, being tied to Highspren, are all about the letter of the law. Moash/Vyre's problem is that he has a very twisted sense of right and wrong, not that he's some sort of embodiment of legal justice coming onto Elhokar. I don't think that's very Skybreaker-ey at all.
I believe that what a person views as Justice can differ from person to person, Moash wants Justice on Elhokar for murdering his grandparents; yes what he believes is twisted, but I think that one highspren “might” see what Vyre does in a different light than another highspren.
Multiple people can have different interpretations of the Law, and Sanderson likes to show different views on the same subject.
Quote“And what else am I supposed to do?” Moash asked softly. By now, he’d pulled right up to Kaladin. “What kind of justice can a man like me get on a king, Kaladin? Tell me”
See, Moash does want justice in his own twisted way.
Quote“And Amaram? Can I kill him?” “Is that Justice?” Syl asked. “One form”
“One form.” There are multiple kinds of justice, Kaladin chose his, and Moash chose his, I think Highspren might just have different ideas of justice.
22 hours ago, Hbal said:@Kon-Tiki, Nale explains that Odium has won the war by the Right of conquest. Without Honor present, law of the land reverts to the Dawnsingers, there is a heirarchy at work here. This is why Nale sought to prevent the Desolation by killing Surgebinders but now He and Skybreakers have no choice as He sees it to follow the law of actual owners.
Isn’t it ironic that Nale doesn’t see that the humans won by “right of conquest”.
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Ok, so my theory is that Vyre will become a Radiant of the Order of Skybreakers.
In terms of Evidence to back this up, we have the fact that Vyre is very focused on Vengeance, and for bringing Justice to Elhokar for past crimes.
We Have the fact that when Kaladin was going to kill Amaram, Syl told him that he wasn’t a Skybreaker so he shouldn’t, however Vyre DID decide to kill Elhokar.
We have the fact that both Vyre and Nale came to the decision that the parshmen are the rightful rulers of Roshar, so Nale is set up perfectly to mentor Vyre.
Also, we have information in the Epigraphs that the Skybreakers and the Windrunners are always at odds, so adding this extra layer to the Kaladin/Vyre confrontation will be quite interesting.
Finally, Vyre is being set up as the new Assasin in White, so if he also became a Skybreaker it would make sense.
So what do you guys think? Is Vyre some other Order of Radiant?
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If only this was black.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worldslayer
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3 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said:
I think it's a combination of: Spook+Kel having a very close connection, Ruin no longer actively blocking Kel, and Kel retaining the knowledge of how to communicate+spike from his previous ascended state.
Plus, their is this quote I only just found.
Quote“I needed someone I could chat with,” Kelsier said . “I needed you. Someone who was broken, but who had resisted him (Ruin).
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4 minutes ago, Steel Inqusitive said:
I don't think so. With spook he was practically dead by the time he could see Kel so he was WAY closer to the CR.... But wait.... At the end Spook "physically" sees Kell..... But at that point Kell had held a shard and should be more.... Potent?
Thanks RShara
Makes sense.
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4 minutes ago, Steel Inqusitive said:
Kell learns that he can talk to people after that, right? I can't recall (it has been awhile since I read SH). So that particular instance was probably just lack of info on Kell's part.
But she should still be able to SEE him, right?
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1 minute ago, Steel Inqusitive said:
I believe it was because Ruin was actively keeping Kell away from Vin. As I recall Kell never even got close to Vin because Ruin was blocking him. Spook on the other hand was only lightly monitored by Ruin.
Like I said above, what about the scene right after Kelsier gets out of the Well, and sits right beside Vin at the funeral.
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1 minute ago, Subvisual Haze said:
Sure, I'll just repeat what I said before:
Ruin's shard could talk at people, but Preservation's shard could listen to people's thoughts.
pre-Catacendre any time Preservation or Kelsier tried to talk to character Ruin would block them. Now there's just Harmony, the 2 powers are one and they're wielded by a person who finds it hard to take action. Kel can meddle at will.
I understand, I was thinking mainly about the part where he first gets out of the Well and sits right beside her at the funeral.
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5 minutes ago, Caevita said:
Bear in mind, when Kell interacted with insane (broken) people in secret history, they could kind of hear him, but not see him. And Vin did, on some level, hear what he said. Brandon put in several instances where Vin's thoughts in HoA echo what Kell was saying to her according to SH. Most notably, I suppose, is when he warned her against visiting Hoid (Drifter), but his monologue as she takes Preservation for herself is practically word for word what the narration in HoA says as well.
I understand all of this, my question is about this quote...
Spoiler“See, I knew this would work. You’ve got them both now. Broken mind, Hemalurgic spike. You can see just enough into the Cognitive Realm. That means we can work together, you and I.”
Vin had both through the entire trilogy, so why did she not see Kelsier when spook did?
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12 minutes ago, Subvisual Haze said:
Spook only saw the real Kelsier once in a dream. And heard him whisper the "I gave you a name" line. Everything else was just Ruin messing with him.
Sazed noted that Ruin's shard could talk at people, but Preservation's shard could listen to people's thoughts. Just something inherent in the powers.
Did you read Secret History?
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3 minutes ago, QueenOfInk said:
The Spike with Spook was specifically for the purpose of connecting Spook with Kelsier, no?
No, it was just a random inquisitor spike; that Spook used unaware of what it would do.
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Ok, so I was reading Secret History and I realized that Vin had on a hemalurgic spike (her earring), and was technically “broken” throughout the book, so why did she not see Kelsier like Spook did?
Is this just a rare plot-hole, or is there actually a reason?
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17 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said:
Let's see a armed and deadly twinborn versus a mad fisherman. Not much of a fight Wax wins.
Next Miles hundred lives vs bleeder with Feruchemical Steel. Takes place in the auction room that we see in the beginning of Shadows of self.
Bleeder wins, she can dash around at insane speeds and rip out his metalminds.
Next Battle.
Free-for-all death match.
The contestant’s are⬇️
A awakened metal man; with the full powers of nightblood, only he can also move of his own accord.
The Lord Ruler with enough of all 16 metals to last 3 hours, metalmind bracers of all varieties, and atium for 30 minutes.
A Fullbinder (controlls all surges and voidsurges) with enough stormlight to last for 3 hours; and shardplate.
And Kelsier, as a fullborn with the same metal amounts as the Lord Ruler.
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Some new Wobs from Sanderson’s Skyward Reddit page.
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*EDIT* I just realized it autocorrected the second meme to envelope.*EDIT*
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And of course there is this...
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You know you are a Sanderfan when you hear some loud music thumping in the other room and immediately wonder what parshendi rhythm it is.
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2 hours ago, RShara said:
Was there a member of the Ghostbloods involved with Moash's plot against Elhokar?
No there was not, the Diagram was involved, but the ghostbloods where not.
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33 minutes ago, Ruin's Scariest Koloss said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Kaladin had any stormlight during the lighthouse scene in Oathbringer, but the lighthouse keeper still said he was invested.
I actually forgot about that part, it makes sense considering the spren (which is sentient investiture) fills in the cracks in the Radiants soul.
So I guess your right, the bondsmith would have to bind someone else to the metal man.
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3 minutes ago, Ruin's Scariest Koloss said:
Assuming the bondsmith is able to bind his soul to the metal man, doesn't the fact that the bondsmith is invested make it incredibly difficult to awaken it? If I were the bondsmith, I would try it on someone else's soul first...
The bondsmith is only invested if they have infused themselves with stormlight. So they could bind themselves to it and then wait for the stormlight to run out.
Or they could bind a mistborn who has no metals to the metal man, and after they have awakened it they could give the metal man metals and now you have a walking “mistborn” nightblood.
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How do you think first half of SA will end?
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Dalinar Excepted; also, Honor picked Dalinar by making him a bondsmith.