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  1. To be fair I'd rather get Kaladin with a brand new character, than pair him with Tarah again.
  2. That is it! It's interesting how it did not mimicked anything from the past in OB.
  3. This is how I feel giving rep in this thread:
  4. I think there's a WoB saying that the triangle mirrors something that has happened in the past.
  5. Probably because he was not worthy of a Rhysadium until he is touched by Cultivation and starts to grow.
  6. He is overcoming his hate towards lighteyes after all these years hating on them all. Would you expect Kaladin to be hating on them until bok 8 or 9? He still hasn't overcome it fully, but it's almost done and it was well paced. I think that Kaladin is not a racist. He just drags hate for the dominant class after being treated as a mere resource, being stomp by the lighteyes because they are the nobility and can do as they please. Anyway, it's possible to cure racism. The bias con be eliminated by growing as a person and empathizing with other races. You think that racism can't be cured, that's a nonsense imo. Racism often comes from fear, being it conscious or subconscious. It is possible to overcome this, of course, traveling, opening to new experiences and cultures, etc. Kaladin's hate doesn't come from cultural differences, it was forged by the losses and humilliations he suffered, so he ended up hating lighteyes in general. He's wrong, as he has already realised. What better proof of a gone racism behavior than marrying a lighteyes? This is not even needed, he befriended Adolin, respects him and Dalinar (specially Dalinar), come to terms with Elhokar and feels guilt for his death. Yeah, I see no ingrained bias. I'm sorry that all the love triangles you read were bad. It's just a normal plot device, handled poorly most of the times (but blame that to the author of the piece) but that doesn't mean its a bad idea if you know how to handle a triangle. To start, how can what we had in OB be a triangle when Kaladin didn't move an inch to try to get Shallan? He was passive, telling himself that she's bethroted to Adolin, and did not make a single move. So I wouldn't call this a triangle. I think that in this paragraph you are stretching it alot, as msot of these things can be applied to Shallan (or one of her personas).
  7. You mean the same Alethi property and honor that Navani and Dalinar ignored to get married?
  8. I don't think he will die, too, but the chance of him being severely damaged/injured because of Shallan is very likely. As you have stated, he already said that Shallan would eventually kill him, and this could be foreshadowing a situation where Shallan is close to lose him. Edit: typed we instead of he.
  9. The path of a Lightweaver is self awareness. I think that Shallan still struggling with her lies and hidden traumas are the obstacle she finds in her path, similar to how Kaladin in OB wasn't ready for his fourth oath because he still want to protect everyone on his own.
  10. I know, but it's the problem with only having 3 books as material and being so recent. New readers come, same old theories, guesses, etc. For example, in Spain Oathbringer hasn't been translated yet, so expect more to come hahaha.
  11. Don't worry, the comments berating the romantic subplot are also pretty shameful to read.
  12. Lately I've read a lot about the triangle discussion being about purely shipping. I can't help but disagree. I'm not a 'shipper' myself, the subjetive involvement I get with fictional couples or pairings is close to 0 most of times. I may like or dislike a pair of characters together, but I'm finr with as long as it respects the narrative. My point is that this triangle was brought as an important part of the Shallan reintegration arc, and thus, the resolution of it was underwhelming according to the hints at earlier chapters. It's important to attend at the triangle as an important subplot more than something subjetive like pairing preferences, because it envolves the character development of 2 main characters. Anyway, I admit that subjectively I'm a bit biased towards Shalladin, but if we take this point in the narrative as a red herring it is cheap drama. Cheap drama because as it was handled in the ending brought nothing to Kal's development, neither for Shallan nor Alodin! You may differ and say that indeed showed the further fracturing of Shallan but that could be showed with other facts and not with a supposed love interest that is not from Shallan's. The foreshadowing and hints have been introducing something subtle between Kaladin and Shallan, something that even happens off screen like the flight to draw Urithiru. Things like this makes you wonder if Sanderson has been hinting to something between these two and just changed his mind like a writer does in the middle of his magnum opus. So it's not a matter of preferences, it's a matter of writing. I'd like to explain myself in more depth but I have to take a bus. A total waste of pages if it was a red herring, not necessary and not bringing something useful to the story, just a bait for potential shippers and other fans.
  13. Yeah, she's treating Adolin as an anchor to keep Shallan as her dominant personality. It's not character development, it's a regression.
  14. @Rainier Thank you! I'll listen to the video while I dive a bit in the thread
  15. Wow, so many replies these days! I had to catch up. Was this 'braided roses' thing discussed in the thread? I thing I've read about it but I can't find the page...
  16. I find the discussion about if Veil is truest Shallan persona very interesting. For example this is the cover for WoK, right? 'The third is the liar, a young woman who wears a scholar's mantle over the heart of a thief' Who's the thief persona? Veil. Who wears the scholar's mantle? maskShallan I don't mean that the hobbies she shows as Shallan are fake or fabricated. But I'd like to point that the Shallan that fades without Adolin is the mantle over the true self. Is Veil what she would be if she wasn't traumatised as she is? Or is Veil the brightest glimpse of true Shallan? It's very unlikely that the Shallan we've seen in OB's ending is the true Shallan starting to emerge. No flaring passion, no heart of a thief. Just a little Vorin girl marrying a rich man and powering her social status (Well, she's a RK too so she's in her own league). Shallan has the habit of pushing aside everything that hurts her or makes her uncomfortable. It is possible that traits of her true self, after being supressed by her dominante persona, flourish into Veil and to a lesser extent to Radiant. If all these hints and small brush strokes turn out to be nothing, it'd be an enormous amount of pages pointless. A door leading to nowhere. Some people claim that at the end of OB Shallan is starting to heal, a small step. I agree, but not because Veil and Radiant are now subdued to Shallan as it seemed (first both decide that Kaladin is the choice, but suddenly they are fine with Adolin, that was a bit confusing), I think she starting to make progress when in Thaylen City her 3 personas worked together to create the illusory army. Edit: Sorry if this has been discused already, the resolution of OB still itches and this forum is a nice place to procrastinate and, like Shallan, stuff the final exams to the back of the brain
  17. After thinking about it, I sincerely expect that this won't happen. The closure of the triangle in OB was handled very poorly, and Shallan was crazy enough to stay away from relationships for a while, even Sanderson prefered to rush it and give an ending mildly enjoyable to Shadolin shippers. The year gap is very plot convenient to skip the pregnancy period or at least the majority of it, but it would the summit of sloppy writing to have Adolin and Shallan appear in the next book with a kid after the rushed disaster in OB's ending. Imagine her, fractured as she is, with the responsability of having a child. She would implode lol.
  18. He's not ready. Syl tries to help him to overcome his 'I just need Bridge Four' state, but fails. I think that's one of the problems that didn't let him advance in his Radiant path too. Kaladin denies that he wants to be closer to Shallan as Syl teases him, he states that he's a loner and only need his men to be happy and whole. But it's a lie, his actions and gesture show that is a poor lie he's trying to use to convince himself.
  19. I disagree with this, Bridge Four individuals backstory is interesting for more depth. Rock point of view with his family is heartwarming and also helps with worldbuilding. I prefer to have more secondary point of view like this, or Teft's, than spending extra chapters of characters regression like some of Oathbringer.
  20. @Dreamstorm Wow, I could read your analysis forever, nice post.
  21. @wotbibliophile First of all welcome! Is your nick a reference to Wheel of Time? It's my favorite series! I found the same problem. I like Adolin and Shallan characters, and their relationship was interesting and enjoyable at first. But as the story advanced, Shallan was progressively building a fachade to fit with Adolin. She clung to him and to what he represented. On the other hand, with Kaladin things started funnily but it developed into something more than 2 hilarious interactions. The scene in the chasms was a milestone for him, he thinks about it several times in his point of view chapters. Shallan kept herself attached to Adolin, not being honest with him as you said and pretending to be someone else. To be sane. I found this unfair to Adolin's character, who really makes the effort to push things correctly and trying not to mess it up like with the other girls. He is honest to the point of offering himself to step aside and let Shallan (who he truly loves) be happy with Kaladin. The marriage as I said in other post was underwhelming in all aspects. It came out of nowhere with a barely sane Shallan willing to do it right now to prove that she loves Alodin and not Kal. To be herself? Well, the famous scene in which they 2 exchange that Twilight-esque interactions (-You are beautiful. -Only because you're here.Without you, I fade.) seems to me that could hint towards that what was long discussed. That Shallan is just another persona, a mask like Veil and Radiant, with some traits of realShallan, but incomplete. And without Adolin, the reason why that mask prevails, it would fall apart and become secondary like Radiant and Veil (Veil, the only persona who showed 'flaring passion' like realShallan would). After all, maskShallan is a princess, someone who accepted that her marriage would be for political benefits above everything else. Adolin not only fullfils this (I don't mean that Shallan is using him for political influence, just stating a fact), he also is the one who can keep maskShallan alive, as fuel added to a bonfire that was fading.
  22. By the way, in the Kaladin album by The Black Piper there's a bonus song called 'Shallan's lullaby'
  23. The books is recent, I think tht with the hype still flowing, the good parts (ie: Dalinar's Ascension) make up for the bad parts like the wedding. Seriously, that part was a total letdown, not because of ships but how it was handled.
  24. @Dreamstorm I hope that all of that development is a Chekhov's gun and not wasted pages for some cheap drama.
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